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29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink directory

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From: Zhang Haijun <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink directory
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 03:55:15 +0000

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It works in Emacs 26/27, But it doesn't work in Emacs 29.

0. emacs -Q
1. use the following code to open an existing file in a symlink directory
(progn
  (setq auto-revert-use-notify t
            auto-revert-interval 3)
  (global-auto-revert-mode 1)
  (setq find-file-hook (delq 'vc-refresh-state find-file-hook))
  (find-file "~/symlink_dir/test.txt"))

2. modify the test file in external program and save
3. emacs doesn't autorevert the file



In GNU Emacs 29.1.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.37, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2023-09-05 built on debian-think
Repository revision: 4995c0e685f994a554d6f82c4f6d9b24ea722b66
Repository branch: emacs-29-mod
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101007
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/home/jun/apps/emacs-29 --with-x-toolkit=gtk3
 --with-modules --without-makeinfo CFLAGS=-O2'

Configured features:
CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON
LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND
SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM
XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
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  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=fcitx
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Text

Minor modes in effect:
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
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  tool-bar-mode: t
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Message #8 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Zhang Haijun <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>,
 Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50;
 autorevert can't revert files in a symlink directory
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:55:23 +0300

> From: Zhang Haijun <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 03:55:15 +0000
> 
> 
> It works in Emacs 26/27, But it doesn't work in Emacs 29.
> 
> 0. emacs -Q
> 1. use the following code to open an existing file in a symlink directory
> (progn
>   (setq auto-revert-use-notify t
>             auto-revert-interval 3)
>   (global-auto-revert-mode 1)
>   (setq find-file-hook (delq 'vc-refresh-state find-file-hook))
>   (find-file "~/symlink_dir/test.txt"))
> 
> 2. modify the test file in external program and save
> 3. emacs doesn't autorevert the file

AFAICT, we don't support autoreverting symlinks, since Dec 2013, so it
sounds strange that you say it worked in Emacs 27.

The relevant discussion is here:

  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-12/msg00282.html

The reason for this non-support seems to be performance.

I hope Michael (CC'ed) will be able to tell more about this.

A workaround is to set auto-revert-use-notify to nil.

Message #11 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:12:30 +0800

Do you mean that the test file itself is a symlink file?

In my case, the test file itself is a normal file. But its parent 
directory is a symlink.

I just tested:  'file-symlink-p' return nil for the test file.


On 9/13/23 20:56, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Zhang Haijun <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 03:55:15 +0000
>>
>>
>> It works in Emacs 26/27, But it doesn't work in Emacs 29.
>>
>> 0. emacs -Q
>> 1. use the following code to open an existing file in a symlink directory
>> (progn
>>    (setq auto-revert-use-notify t
>>             auto-revert-interval 3)
>>    (global-auto-revert-mode 1)
>>    (setq find-file-hook (delq 'vc-refresh-state find-file-hook))
>>    (find-file "~/symlink_dir/test.txt"))
>>
>> 2. modify the test file in external program and save
>> 3. emacs doesn't autorevert the file
> AFAICT, we don't support autoreverting symlinks, since Dec 2013, so it
> sounds strange that you say it worked in Emacs 27.
>
> The relevant discussion is here:
>
>    https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-12/msg00282.html
>
> The reason for this non-support seems to be performance.
>
> I hope Michael (CC'ed) will be able to tell more about this.
>
> A workaround is to set auto-revert-use-notify to nil.

Message #14 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
Cc: michael.albinus <at> gmx.de, 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:28:35 +0300

> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:12:30 +0800
> Cc: 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
> 
> Do you mean that the test file itself is a symlink file?
> 
> In my case, the test file itself is a normal file. But its parent 
> directory is a symlink.
> 
> I just tested:  'file-symlink-p' return nil for the test file.

Emacs watches the parent directory of the file, not the file itself
(because certain changes regarding the file are only seen if we watch
the directory).

But I will let Michael chime in, in case I'm missing something.

Message #17 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Zhang Haijun <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:33:50 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

Hi,

>> 0. emacs -Q
>> 1. use the following code to open an existing file in a symlink directory
>> (progn
>>   (setq auto-revert-use-notify t
>>             auto-revert-interval 3)
>>   (global-auto-revert-mode 1)
>>   (setq find-file-hook (delq 'vc-refresh-state find-file-hook))
>>   (find-file "~/symlink_dir/test.txt"))
>> 
>> 2. modify the test file in external program and save
>> 3. emacs doesn't autorevert the file
>
> AFAICT, we don't support autoreverting symlinks, since Dec 2013, so it
> sounds strange that you say it worked in Emacs 27.
>
> The relevant discussion is here:
>
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-12/msg00282.html
>
> The reason for this non-support seems to be performance.
>
> I hope Michael (CC'ed) will be able to tell more about this.

Yes, we don't support autorevert of files in a symlinked directory via
file notifications. There are other bugs with the same topic, see
bug#16113, bug#18883 and bug#64061. I'll merge this bug with the other
ones.

> A workaround is to set auto-revert-use-notify to nil.

Yep.

Best regards, Michael.

Message #24 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 22:16:23 +0800

How does it work in Emacs 26/27? Why don't you let it keep the old behavior?

I just tried again with the following test code(with 
auto-revert-interval be a big value). There was a long delay(about 30s) 
before the first reverting. But the following ones were instant.

(progn
  (setq auto-revert-use-notify t
        auto-revert-interval 30)
  (global-auto-revert-mode 1)
  (setq find-file-hook (delq 'vc-refresh-state find-file-hook))
  (find-file "~/symlink_dir/abc.txt"))


On 9/13/23 21:33, Michael Albinus wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
>>> 0. emacs -Q
>>> 1. use the following code to open an existing file in a symlink directory
>>> (progn
>>>    (setq auto-revert-use-notify t
>>>             auto-revert-interval 3)
>>>    (global-auto-revert-mode 1)
>>>    (setq find-file-hook (delq 'vc-refresh-state find-file-hook))
>>>    (find-file "~/symlink_dir/test.txt"))
>>>
>>> 2. modify the test file in external program and save
>>> 3. emacs doesn't autorevert the file
>> AFAICT, we don't support autoreverting symlinks, since Dec 2013, so it
>> sounds strange that you say it worked in Emacs 27.
>>
>> The relevant discussion is here:
>>
>>    https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-12/msg00282.html
>>
>> The reason for this non-support seems to be performance.
>>
>> I hope Michael (CC'ed) will be able to tell more about this.
> Yes, we don't support autorevert of files in a symlinked directory via
> file notifications. There are other bugs with the same topic, see
> bug#16113, bug#18883 and bug#64061. I'll merge this bug with the other
> ones.
>
>> A workaround is to set auto-revert-use-notify to nil.
> Yep.
>
> Best regards, Michael.

Message #27 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:58:05 +0200

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zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com> writes:

Hi,

> How does it work in Emacs 26/27? Why don't you let it keep the old behavior?

That time, it was unspecified, whether symlinked files/directories are
watched. Some file notification backends did, other backends didn't. In
Emacs 29, this was clarified, see (info "(elisp) File Notifications")

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
     If FILE is a symlink, it doesn’t follow that link.  Just FILE
     itself will be watched.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

There is the idea to add a new flag to the `file-notify-add-watch'
function, `follow'. This would allow to follow symlinks, with different
implementations in the different backends. Buth this hasn't been
implemented yet.

If you need this feature urgently in inotify (I guess you're using this
backend), try the appended patch in filenotify.el (untested).

Best regards, Michael.

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Message #30 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 05:08:46 +0800

I tried your patch on GNU/Linux. It works as you said(the same as in 
Emacs 26/27 now). I will try it on macOS later.

I have added some debug message and see that without this patch, the 
`filenotiy' also watch the file but `autorevert.el` can't receives 
events for the test file. After applying the patch, it can receive 
events for the test file. It seems that the patch is not harmful. Can 
you apply it in Emacs 29?

Thanks.


On 9/14/23 19:58, Michael Albinus wrote:
> zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
>> How does it work in Emacs 26/27? Why don't you let it keep the old behavior?
> That time, it was unspecified, whether symlinked files/directories are
> watched. Some file notification backends did, other backends didn't. In
> Emacs 29, this was clarified, see (info "(elisp) File Notifications")
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>       If FILE is a symlink, it doesn’t follow that link.  Just FILE
>       itself will be watched.
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> There is the idea to add a new flag to the `file-notify-add-watch'
> function, `follow'. This would allow to follow symlinks, with different
> implementations in the different backends. Buth this hasn't been
> implemented yet.
>
> If you need this feature urgently in inotify (I guess you're using this
> backend), try the appended patch in filenotify.el (untested).
>
> Best regards, Michael.
>

Message #33 received at 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65904 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65904: 29.1.50; autorevert can't revert files in a symlink
 directory
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:18:58 +0200

zhanghj <ccsmile2008 <at> outlook.com> writes:

Hi,

> I tried your patch on GNU/Linux. It works as you said(the same as in
> Emacs 26/27 now). I will try it on macOS later.

Thanks for the check. On macOS, inotify isn't used, so the change
wouldn't work.

> I have added some debug message and see that without this patch, the
> `filenotiy' also watch the file but `autorevert.el` can't receives
> events for the test file. After applying the patch, it can receive
> events for the test file. It seems that the patch is not harmful. Can
> you apply it in Emacs 29?

As said, there is the idea to support symlinked files/directories in
general. Once this is implemented, the proposed change for inotify will
be installed.

> Thanks.

Best regards, Michael.

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