GNU bug report logs - #21113
Support the Orca screen reader in Emacs

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:08:22 -0700

hi all
emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
I do not know this is called bug or not
But its problem for the blinds users
It is good When I  use it without x but in x  its Inaccessibility to
Screen reader(orca)



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From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free <at> gmail.com>
To: Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:45:32 +0800

Hi,

I'm not familiar with Orca.  Just FYI - you can try Emacspeak, which
turns Emacs into a "complete audio desktop".

Message #11 received at 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
To: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:35:37 -0700

> I'm not familiar with Orca.  Just FYI - you can try Emacspeak, which
> turns Emacs into a "complete audio desktop".
its not to gui

2015-07-22 21:45 جرينتش-07:00, Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free <at> gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not familiar with Orca.  Just FYI - you can try Emacspeak, which
> turns Emacs into a "complete audio desktop".
>


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From: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
To: Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:01:29 -0400

Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> hi all
> emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)

I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.

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From: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
To: Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 23:00:35 -0400

unarchive 1015
forcemerge 1015 21113
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npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net writes:

> Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> hi all
>> emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
>
> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.

I will assume yes.

Message #22 received at 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
Cc: 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 01:07:41 -0400

npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net wrote:

>> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
>> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.
>
> I will assume yes.

I don't think this has anything to do with 1015.
It seems pretty clear to me from the original report.

When run in graphical mode, Emacs is not accessible to the Orca screen reader.
Ie, Orca cannot read the text in Emacs.

One has to run "emacs -nw" in eg a gnome-terminal to get things to work.

Ref eg https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-October/msg00278.html

Message #33 received at 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>, 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 19:32:53 -0400

# restoring severity from before mistake merge
severity 21113 important
quit

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net wrote:
>
>>> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
>>> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.
>>
>> I will assume yes.
>
> I don't think this has anything to do with 1015.
> It seems pretty clear to me from the original report.
>
> When run in graphical mode, Emacs is not accessible to the Orca screen reader.
> Ie, Orca cannot read the text in Emacs.
>
> One has to run "emacs -nw" in eg a gnome-terminal to get things to work.
>
> Ref eg https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-October/msg00278.html

Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the
context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in
the original report).

Message #38 received at 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:19:36 +0100

npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net writes:

> Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the
> context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in
> the original report).

I found this bug report pretty confusing, too, but the request is for
Emacs to support the Orca screen reader, which is a Gnome thing.

To do this, Emacs has to implement a Gnome API:

  https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en

The report states that "emacs -nw" works fine -- but according to some
experimentation, that seems to be because Terminal (the Gnome
xterm-a-like) supports Orca.  Emacs itself doesn't support Orca at all.

I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much?  Are
there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus
on?  Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #45 received at 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: ali abdul ghani6 <blade.vp2020 <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 21113 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 06:37:02 -0800

> I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much?
yes
> there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus
no

> Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak?
yes


2021-01-21 6:19 غرينتش-08:00, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>:
> npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net writes:
>
>> Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the
>> context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in
>> the original report).
>
> I found this bug report pretty confusing, too, but the request is for
> Emacs to support the Orca screen reader, which is a Gnome thing.
>
> To do this, Emacs has to implement a Gnome API:
>
>   https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en
>
> The report states that "emacs -nw" works fine -- but according to some
> experimentation, that seems to be because Terminal (the Gnome
> xterm-a-like) supports Orca.  Emacs itself doesn't support Orca at all.
>
> I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much?  Are
> there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus
> on?  Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak?
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>


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when we die, may our remnants grace its ongoing incrementation.

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