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24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression

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From: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:01:08 +0000

In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1265.21)
of 2014-10-20 on builder10-9.porkrind.org

In a fresh emacs -Q, if I type:

    M-: 1000000 RET

there is a pause of about 10 seconds before Emacs displays:

    1000000 (#o3641100, #xf4240)

I suggest that the length of this pause be reduced.

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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Cc: 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 22:36:09 +0200

> From: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:01:08 +0000
> 
> In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1265.21)
> of 2014-10-20 on builder10-9.porkrind.org
> 
> In a fresh emacs -Q, if I type:
> 
>     M-: 1000000 RET
> 
> there is a pause of about 10 seconds before Emacs displays:
> 
>     1000000 (#o3641100, #xf4240)
> 
> I suggest that the length of this pause be reduced.

My crystal ball says that this pause is due to Emacs trying to locate
a font that can display a character whose codepoint is U+F4240.  In
which case, the pause is not n Emacs, it is in system libraries that
search the available fonts.

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From: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
To: 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:51:29 +0000

> My crystal ball says that this pause is due to Emacs trying to locate
> a font that can display a character whose codepoint is U+F4240.  In
> which case, the pause is not n Emacs, it is in system libraries that
> search the available fonts.

That was my guess too, and if I was hoping to see a character at that code point, I would have to be prepared to wait for the system to search all the fonts to find it.

But normally when I evaluate a numeric expression, I do not want to see a character—I’m just using M-: as a calculator—and so the wait is unnecessary (and a regression from 24.3).

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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Cc: 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 23:04:54 +0200

> From: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:51:29 +0000
> 
> But normally when I evaluate a numeric expression, I do not want to see a character—I’m just using M-: as a calculator

But Emacs doesn't (and cannot) know what you want.

Message #17 received at 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
To: 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 21:41:57 +0000

> But Emacs doesn't (and cannot) know what you want.

Surely Emacs should know that I don’t want to wait 10 seconds to see the result of evaluating a numeric expression? Or if this is really in doubt, Emacs could provide a user option by which I could tell it how long I’m prepared to wait. Or Emacs could show me the numeric result *while* it is searching the fonts, allowing me to hit C-g to cancel the search if I am happy with just the number.

For reference, the commit that introduced this problem appears to have been 3223d013c2f94e6a0dd37879cf5faec8c0b2261d

For the moment, I am working around the problem by advising eval-expression-print-format, like this:

(defun old-format (orig-fun value)
  (and (integerp value) (eq standard-output t)
       (format " (#o%o, #x%x)" value value)))

(advice-add 'eval-expression-print-format :around #'old-format)

Message #20 received at 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 23:25:35 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> But normally when I evaluate a numeric expression, I do not want to
>> see a character—I’m just using M-: as a calculator
>
> But Emacs doesn't (and cannot) know what you want.

I've always thought it rather strange that Emacs tries to display the
character corresponding to the integer value when you M-: stuff.  How
useful is that, really?

In my experience, I've never wanted to know the octal value or the
corresponding Unicode codepoint of the integer.  I have found the hex
value useful, I think, once.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #23 received at 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Cc: 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:52:22 -0500

[ Side comment.  ]

> (defun old-format (orig-fun value)
>   (and (integerp value) (eq standard-output t)
>        (format " (#o%o, #x%x)" value value)))

> (advice-add 'eval-expression-print-format :around #'old-format)

If you don't use `orig-fun', you might as well use :override rather
than :around.


        Stefan

Message #26 received at 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:56:26 -0500

> I've always thought it rather strange that Emacs tries to display the
> character corresponding to the integer value when you M-: stuff.  How
> useful is that, really?

If you ask it this way, then it's probably never useful.
But when you use M-: on an expression which returns a character, then
I find it handy to see the character rather than only its integer value.

But maybe this feature is more trouble than it's worth.  After all, you
can always use M-: (string <exp>) RET to force Emacs to show you the
character.


        Stefan

Message #29 received at 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 03:04:26 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> But maybe this feature is more trouble than it's worth.  After all, you
> can always use M-: (string <exp>) RET to force Emacs to show you the
> character.

Yeah.

I tried reproducing the problem reported here, and I got nothing.

But I evaluated a number of digits, and one of them took a couple of
seconds to display.  (This is with X over ssh over wifi.)  So I'm able
to reproduce the problem, and the slower the X connection is, the more
severe it probably is.

Unless somebody else thinks this is really useful functionality, I think
we should probably just ditch it.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #32 received at 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 19023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Gareth Rees <gdr <at> garethrees.org>
Subject: Re: bug#19023: 24.4; Long pause when evaluating numeric expression
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 03:06:58 +0100

On the other hand, M-: (following-char) currently returns

110 (#o156, #x6e, ?n)

which is useful, come to think of it.  Er.  So I don't know...

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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