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30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1

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From: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:32:27 -0800

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*** Title
macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1

*** Description
In prior releases of Emacs for macOS, the native macOS dictation feature was available. The latest 30.1 release however does not provide this feature. 

*** Environment
GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, aarch64-apple-darwin24.3.0, NS appkit-2575.40 Version 15.3.1 (Build 24D70)) of 2025-02-27
Darwin bingsu.local 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: Thu Jan  2 20:24:16 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6000 arm64 arm Darwin

*** Steps to Reproduce
1. On macOS, enable Dictation in Settings.

   Settings > Keyboard > Dictation

   Set the shortcut "Press Right Command Key Twice"

2. Launch GUI Emacs.

3. In GUI Emacs in a writeable buffer, press the right command key twice.

*** Expected Result

The cursor (point) should have a visual microphone indicator to show that dictation is enabled. At this point, the user can dictate to enter text in the buffer.

*** Actual Result

No microphone indicator is shown. The user can not dictate to enter text into the buffer.




In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, aarch64-apple-darwin24.3.0, NS
appkit-2575.40 Version 15.3.1 (Build 24D70)) of 2025-02-27 built on
bingsu.local
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2575
System Description:  macOS 15.3.1

Configured using:
'configure --prefix=/opt/local --disable-silent-rules --without-dbus
--without-gconf --without-libotf --without-m17n-flt --with-libgmp
--with-gnutls --with-xml2 --with-modules --with-sqlite3 --with-webp
--with-native-compilation=aot --infodir /opt/local/share/info/emacs
--disable-gc-mark-trace --with-ns --with-lcms2 --without-harfbuzz
--without-imagemagick --without-xaw3d --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter
'CFLAGS=-pipe -Os -Wno-attributes
-isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX15.sdk -arch
arm64' 'CPPFLAGS=-I/opt/local/include
-isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX15.sdk'
'LDFLAGS=-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -Wl,-no_pie
-Wl,-rpath /opt/local/lib/gcc14 -Wl,-rpath /opt/local/lib
-Wl,-syslibroot,/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX15.sdk
-arch arm64''

Configured features:
ACL GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY
KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS
TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM ZLIB

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  auto-composition-mode: t
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—
Charles Y. Choi, Ph.D.
kickingvegas <at> gmail.com

Message #10 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:18:00 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 2:34 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com> wrote:

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> *** Title
> macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
>
> *** Description
> In prior releases of Emacs for macOS, the native macOS dictation feature
> was available. The latest 30.1 release however does not provide this
> feature.
>
> *** Environment
> GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, aarch64-apple-darwin24.3.0, NS appkit-2575.40
> Version 15.3.1 (Build 24D70)) of 2025-02-27
> Darwin bingsu.local 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: Thu Jan  2
> 20:24:16 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6000 arm64 arm
> Darwin
>

The discussion with a few users who have the same experience can be seen
here
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1j4639s/osx_dictation_fails_with_emacs_301/

I have a feeling they were using the Mitsuharu Yamamoto "emacs-mac"
implementation and not GNU Emacs (looks like JD Smith is rejuvenating
emacs-mac with a 30.1 merge).  I'm still awaiting more precise information
on which builds were being used and I pinged them again, today.

-Stephane

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Message #13 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 19:37:43 -0700

To clarify, all my reported behavior is with the GNU NS-variant of Emacs. macOS voice dictation worked for me in 29.4. It does not in 30.1.

I have not used the Yamamoto fork in over a year and it is not installed on my system.

All builds that I have been using have come from MacPorts package emacs-app.  https://ports.macports.org/port/emacs-app/details/

Regards -

-Charles



—
Charles Y. Choi, Ph.D.
kickingvegas <at> gmail.com





> On Mar 11, 2025, at 6:18 AM, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The discussion with a few users who have the same experience can be seen here https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1j4639s/osx_dictation_fails_with_emacs_301/
> 
> I have a feeling they were using the Mitsuharu Yamamoto "emacs-mac" implementation and not GNU Emacs (looks like JD Smith is rejuvenating emacs-mac with a 30.1 merge).  I'm still awaiting more precise information on which builds were being used and I pinged them again, today.
> 
> -Stephane

Message #16 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:47:47 -0400

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:37 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

> To clarify, all my reported behavior is with the GNU NS-variant of Emacs.
> macOS voice dictation worked for me in 29.4. It does not in 30.1.
>
> I have not used the Yamamoto fork in over a year and it is not installed
> on my system.
>
> All builds that I have been using have come from MacPorts package
> emacs-app.  https://ports.macports.org/port/emacs-app/details/


Were you on Intel or ARM and which macOS version worked for Emacs 29.4?  I
have Intel macOS 12.7.6 and dictation does not work with Emacs 29.4 for me
(or 30.1 or current master).  It could be a configuration issue or
something else.

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Message #19 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:53:24 -0400

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:47 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:37 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To clarify, all my reported behavior is with the GNU NS-variant of Emacs.
>> macOS voice dictation worked for me in 29.4. It does not in 30.1.
>>
>> I have not used the Yamamoto fork in over a year and it is not installed
>> on my system.
>>
>> All builds that I have been using have come from MacPorts package
>> emacs-app.  https://ports.macports.org/port/emacs-app/details/
>
>
> Were you on Intel or ARM and which macOS version worked for Emacs 29.4?  I
> have Intel macOS 12.7.6 and dictation does not work with Emacs 29.4 for me
> (or 30.1 or current master).  It could be a configuration issue or
> something else.
>

Do you still have your Emacs 29.4 binary that accepts macOS dictation?

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From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>, Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 02:54:42 +0000

Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:37 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To clarify, all my reported behavior is with the GNU NS-variant of Emacs.
>> macOS voice dictation worked for me in 29.4. It does not in 30.1.
>>
>> I have not used the Yamamoto fork in over a year and it is not installed
>> on my system.
>>
>> All builds that I have been using have come from MacPorts package
>> emacs-app.  https://ports.macports.org/port/emacs-app/details/
>
>
> Were you on Intel or ARM and which macOS version worked for Emacs 29.4?  I
> have Intel macOS 12.7.6 and dictation does not work with Emacs 29.4 for me
> (or 30.1 or current master).  It could be a configuration issue or
> something else.

Charles diligently included this in his first message.  He's on ARM.

Message #25 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 23:31:00 -0400

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:54 PM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:37 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> To clarify, all my reported behavior is with the GNU NS-variant of
> Emacs.
> >> macOS voice dictation worked for me in 29.4. It does not in 30.1.
> >>
> >> I have not used the Yamamoto fork in over a year and it is not installed
> >> on my system.
> >>
> >> All builds that I have been using have come from MacPorts package
> >> emacs-app.  https://ports.macports.org/port/emacs-app/details/
> >
> >
> > Were you on Intel or ARM and which macOS version worked for Emacs 29.4?
> I
> > have Intel macOS 12.7.6 and dictation does not work with Emacs 29.4 for
> me
> > (or 30.1 or current master).  It could be a configuration issue or
> > something else.
>
> Charles diligently included this in his first message.  He's on ARM.
>

He's *now* on ARM but he didn't say on what platform he experienced Emacs
29.4 working.  He quoted his platform for Emacs 30.1.

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From: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:58:01 -0700

Both 29.4 and 30.1 were running on the same macOS ARM laptop.

Here is the uname -a on the macOS system running either version of GNU Emacs  (29.4, 30.1) related to this issue.

Darwin bingsu.local 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: Thu Jan  2 20:24:16 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6000 arm64 arm Darwin


Charles


—
Charles Y. Choi, Ph.D.
kickingvegas <at> gmail.com





> On Mar 11, 2025, at 8:31 PM, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:54 PM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 10:37 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> To clarify, all my reported behavior is with the GNU NS-variant of Emacs.
> >> macOS voice dictation worked for me in 29.4. It does not in 30.1.
> >>
> >> I have not used the Yamamoto fork in over a year and it is not installed
> >> on my system.
> >>
> >> All builds that I have been using have come from MacPorts package
> >> emacs-app.  https://ports.macports.org/port/emacs-app/details/
> >
> >
> > Were you on Intel or ARM and which macOS version worked for Emacs 29.4?  I
> > have Intel macOS 12.7.6 and dictation does not work with Emacs 29.4 for me
> > (or 30.1 or current master).  It could be a configuration issue or
> > something else.
> 
> Charles diligently included this in his first message.  He's on ARM.
> 
> He's *now* on ARM but he didn't say on what platform he experienced Emacs 29.4 working.  He quoted his platform for Emacs 30.1.

Message #31 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 06:19:46 -0400

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 11:58 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

> Both 29.4 and 30.1 were running on the same macOS ARM laptop.
>
> Here is the uname -a on the macOS system running either version of GNU
> Emacs  (29.4, 30.1) related to this issue.
>
> Darwin bingsu.local 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: Thu Jan  2
> 20:24:16 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6000 arm64 arm
> Darwin
>

Thank you.  I'm trying to reproduce this myself.  Did dictation using Emacs
ever work for you on older macOS versions?  The macports Emacs seems to
have no special patches and builds the same sources I do.  I do see
dictation works in Terminal.app.  Dictation does not work in other terminal
emulators like kitty or wezterm.  If I can help fix this, I will try.
It'll be way easier if I/we can reproduce a working experience...

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Message #34 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 10:38:20 -0700

Ship Mints -

To clarify I am only discussing usage of voice dictation when Emacs is run in GUI mode. The use case of using voice dictation through a terminal emulator would be the responsibility of the terminal emulator and _not_ Emacs.


Charles


—
Charles Y. Choi, Ph.D.
kickingvegas <at> gmail.com





> On Mar 12, 2025, at 3:19 AM, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you.  I'm trying to reproduce this myself.  Did dictation using Emacs ever work for you on older macOS versions?  The macports Emacs seems to have no special patches and builds the same sources I do.  I do see dictation works in Terminal.app.  Dictation does not work in other terminal emulators like kitty or wezterm.  If I can help fix this, I will try.  It'll be way easier if I/we can reproduce a working experience...

Message #37 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 13:43:54 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Ship Mints -
>
> To clarify I am only discussing usage of voice dictation when Emacs is run
> in GUI mode. The use case of using voice dictation through a terminal
> emulator would be the responsibility of the terminal emulator and _not_
> Emacs.
>

Of course.  If you can share any hints that would enable another Emacs
macOS GUI user to try dictation (my key is bound to fn and I press it
twice), I'm all ears.  I guess I could check out 29.4 sources and build
from scratch rather than use the nix-based repeatable build I've been
using.  But I'm not sure what that would accomplish.  I'm willing to try.

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From: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 11:38:13 -0700

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I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4 build from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds

Installing from https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg


Attached is a video showing successful macOS voice dictation on Emacs 29.4 for macOS.

[emacs-bug-76765-macos-dictation-29-4-success.mov (video/quicktime, attachment)]

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Charles


—
Charles Y. Choi, Ph.D.
kickingvegas <at> gmail.com





> On Mar 12, 2025, at 10:43 AM, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Of course.  If you can share any hints that would enable another Emacs macOS GUI user to try dictation (my key is bound to fn and I press it twice), I'm all ears.  I guess I could check out 29.4 sources and build from scratch rather than use the nix-based repeatable build I've been using.  But I'm not sure what that would accomplish.  I'm willing to try.

Message #43 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:55:04 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4 build
> from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds
>
> Installing from
> https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg


Got it.  I see it does work for me.  (I stopped using that distro last year
because it's slow and buggy in other ways.). That's perfect as I can try to
analyze it now.  I'm curious, perhaps morbidly so.

Thank you for that.  I also verified that his 30.1 build does not take
dictation, should it be a difference in compilation by the distro producers.

I'll dig this afternoon for a bit.

-Stephane

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Message #46 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:06:33 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:55 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4 build
>> from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds
>>
>> Installing from
>> https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg
>
>
> Got it.  I see it does work for me.  (I stopped using that distro last
> year because it's slow and buggy in other ways.). That's perfect as I can
> try to analyze it now.  I'm curious, perhaps morbidly so.
>
> Thank you for that.  I also verified that his 30.1 build does not take
> dictation, should it be a difference in compilation by the distro producers.
>
> I'll dig this afternoon for a bit.
>

David's build script hasn't changed in months so it ain't that.  Looking
deeper now.

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From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:20:15 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:06 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:55 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4 build
>>> from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds
>>>
>>> Installing from
>>> https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg
>>
>>
>> Got it.  I see it does work for me.  (I stopped using that distro last
>> year because it's slow and buggy in other ways.). That's perfect as I can
>> try to analyze it now.  I'm curious, perhaps morbidly so.
>>
>> Thank you for that.  I also verified that his 30.1 build does not take
>> dictation, should it be a difference in compilation by the distro producers.
>>
>> I'll dig this afternoon for a bit.
>>
>
> David's build script hasn't changed in months so it ain't that.  Looking
> deeper now.
>

This looks like a build-time toolchain issue and it will take some further
investigation.

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Message #52 received at 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:23:30 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 4:20 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:06 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:55 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4 build
>>>> from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds
>>>>
>>>> Installing from
>>>> https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg
>>>
>>>
>>> Got it.  I see it does work for me.  (I stopped using that distro last
>>> year because it's slow and buggy in other ways.). That's perfect as I can
>>> try to analyze it now.  I'm curious, perhaps morbidly so.
>>>
>>> Thank you for that.  I also verified that his 30.1 build does not take
>>> dictation, should it be a difference in compilation by the distro producers.
>>>
>>> I'll dig this afternoon for a bit.
>>>
>>
>> David's build script hasn't changed in months so it ain't that.  Looking
>> deeper now.
>>
>
> This looks like a build-time toolchain issue and it will take some further
> investigation.
>

Charles, would you submit an issue to David Caldwell here
https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs/issues and let him know dictation
works on his 29 but not his 30?  He might be quicker at identifying the
issue since he has multiple toolchains available.

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From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:34:58 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 4:20 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:06 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:55 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4 build
>>>> from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds
>>>>
>>>> Installing from
>>>> https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg
>>>
>>>
>>> Got it.  I see it does work for me.  (I stopped using that distro last
>>> year because it's slow and buggy in other ways.). That's perfect as I can
>>> try to analyze it now.  I'm curious, perhaps morbidly so.
>>>
>>> Thank you for that.  I also verified that his 30.1 build does not take
>>> dictation, should it be a difference in compilation by the distro producers.
>>>
>>> I'll dig this afternoon for a bit.
>>>
>>
>> David's build script hasn't changed in months so it ain't that.  Looking
>> deeper now.
>>
>
> This looks like a build-time toolchain issue and it will take some further
> investigation.
>

Making some progress.  Definitely a toolchain issue and nothing to do with
Emacs source code, per se.  I was able to build a 29.4 that accepts
dictation and working through getting a 30.1 to work.  After that, I'll see
if I can work up some documentation and some recommendations.

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From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, 76765 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76765: 30.1; macOS dictation used to work with Emacs < 30.1
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 08:54:46 -0400

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 4:23 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 4:20 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:06 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:55 PM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:38 PM Charles Choi <kickingvegas <at> gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was able to reproduce functioning voice dictation with the 29.4
>>>>> build from https://emacsformacosx.com/builds
>>>>>
>>>>> Installing from
>>>>> https://emacsformacosx.com/emacs-builds/Emacs-29.4-universal.dmg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got it.  I see it does work for me.  (I stopped using that distro last
>>>> year because it's slow and buggy in other ways.). That's perfect as I can
>>>> try to analyze it now.  I'm curious, perhaps morbidly so.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for that.  I also verified that his 30.1 build does not take
>>>> dictation, should it be a difference in compilation by the distro producers.
>>>>
>>>> I'll dig this afternoon for a bit.
>>>>
>>>
>>> David's build script hasn't changed in months so it ain't that.  Looking
>>> deeper now.
>>>
>>
>> This looks like a build-time toolchain issue and it will take some
>> further investigation.
>>
>
> Charles, would you submit an issue to David Caldwell here
> https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs/issues and let him know dictation
> works on his 29 but not his 30?  He might be quicker at identifying the
> issue since he has multiple toolchains available.
>

I've gone ahead and done that so that David is aware and can assist with
the toolchain.

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