GNU bug report logs - #76196
[PATCH] Make nnweb.el do something useful

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800

Severity: wishlist

The nnweb backend for Gnus is currently of rather limited use: it only
supports Google Groups, which is defunct.  They seem to have
discontinued their Usenet archive service in February 2024, according to
Wikipedia.[1]

I also get 404 and 400 for the provided URLs in `nnweb-type-definition`.

I suggest that we either find and implement support for a replacement
for Google Groups, or otherwise that we mark it as obsolete.  Having
clearly broken functionality around does not serve users.

Footnotes:
[1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups

Message #8 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>, Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>,
 Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 15:09:43 +0200

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800
> 
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> The nnweb backend for Gnus is currently of rather limited use: it only
> supports Google Groups, which is defunct.  They seem to have
> discontinued their Usenet archive service in February 2024, according to
> Wikipedia.[1]
> 
> I also get 404 and 400 for the provided URLs in `nnweb-type-definition`.
> 
> I suggest that we either find and implement support for a replacement
> for Google Groups, or otherwise that we mark it as obsolete.  Having
> clearly broken functionality around does not serve users.
> 
> Footnotes:
> [1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups

Let's at least include the Gnus developers in this discussion.

Message #11 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:22:48 +0800

I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although
the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas,
continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use
help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied
here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather
than obsoleting it.

Best,
Andy
-- 
Andrew Cohen

Message #14 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>
To: Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:20:22 +0530

Andrew Cohen writes:

> I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although
> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas,
> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use
> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied
> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather
> than obsoleting it.

Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing
also included.

(Thanks for linking to this bug)

--

Message #17 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>
To: Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>,
 Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar <at> thaodan.de>,
 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 13:51:41 +0530

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James Thomas writes:

> Andrew Cohen writes:
>
>> I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although
>> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas,
>> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use
>> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied
>> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather
>> than obsoleting it.
>
> Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing
> also included.
>
> (Thanks for linking to this bug)

IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is:

[nnweb-update.diff (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]

The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name
of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by:
G w emacs-help RET <unique string> RET

Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new
'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also,
with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users
of public-inbox (public-inbox.org).

Regards,
James

Message #20 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>, Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>,
 Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar <at> thaodan.de>,
 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 16:49:55 +0000

tags 76196 + patch
retitle 76196 [PATCH] Make nnweb.el do something useful
thanks

James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net> writes:

> IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is:

This is the right place for it, thanks.

Andrew, any comments on the patch?

Message #27 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>
To: 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>,
 Björn Bidar <bjorn.bidar <at> thaodan.de>,
 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 13:22:02 +0530

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James Thomas writes:

> James Thomas writes:
>
>> Andrew Cohen writes:
>>
>>> I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although
>>> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas,
>>> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use
>>> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied
>>> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather
>>> than obsoleting it.
>>
>> Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing
>> also included.
>>
>> (Thanks for linking to this bug)
>
> IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is:
>
>
>
> The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name
> of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by:
> G w emacs-help RET <unique string> RET
>
> Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new
> 'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also,
> with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users
> of public-inbox (public-inbox.org).

Here's an updated version:

[0001-Update-nnweb-for-searching-Emacs's-lists'-archives.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]

I hope to add thread-referral later.

Regards,
James

Message #30 received at 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>
Cc: acohen <at> ust.hk, bjorn.bidar <at> thaodan.de, 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 stefankangas <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 16:31:10 +0300

Ping!  Andrew, any further comments?

> From: James Thomas <jimjoe <at> gmx.net>
> Cc: Andrew Cohen <acohen <at> ust.hk>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>,
>   Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Björn Bidar
>  <bjorn.bidar <at> thaodan.de>
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 13:22:02 +0530
> 
> James Thomas writes:
> 
> > James Thomas writes:
> >
> >> Andrew Cohen writes:
> >>
> >>> I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although
> >>> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas,
> >>> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use
> >>> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied
> >>> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather
> >>> than obsoleting it.
> >>
> >> Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing
> >> also included.
> >>
> >> (Thanks for linking to this bug)
> >
> > IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is:
> >
> >
> >
> > The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name
> > of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by:
> > G w emacs-help RET <unique string> RET
> >
> > Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new
> > 'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also,
> > with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users
> > of public-inbox (public-inbox.org).
> 
> Here's an updated version:
> 
> I hope to add thread-referral later.

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