GNU bug report logs - #7140
Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status

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From: Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 01:50:25 +0300

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When browsing a foreign nntp server, gnus doesn't show the moderation status
of groups. I think this should be changed, because knowing if a group is
moderated is useful, and as the status flag is unavoidably part of a group's
line in the active file, showing it should have only a negligible impact on
performance.

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lmi <at> gnus.org>
To: Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7140-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7140: Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:32:40 +0200

Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com> writes:

> When browsing a foreign nntp server, gnus doesn't show the moderation
> status of groups. I think this should be changed, because knowing if
> a group is moderated is useful, and as the status flag is unavoidably
> part of a group's line in the active file, showing it should have
> only a negligible impact on performance.

Displaying it would have little performance impact, but I don't really
think that this is information that's all that interesting to have in
that context.  It would just clutter the display up, especially on
private news servers where many (or most) groups are moderated, which is
somewhat popular.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi <at> gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Message #13 received at 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lmi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7140: Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:20:57 +0300

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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <lmi <at> gnus.org>wrote:

> Displaying it would have little performance impact, but I don't really
> think that this is information that's all that interesting to have in
> that context.  It would just clutter the display up, especially on
> private news servers where many (or most) groups are moderated, which is
> somewhat popular.
>

The amount of clutter depends on how the status is displayed; I don't think
a single 'm' between the number of articles and the colon would be too
distracting to anyone. But even if you don't want to do that by default,
could you at least make it a user option? Gnus generally allows the
customization of almost everything, so the few exceptions like the browse
buffer line format seem all the more annoying.

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Message #16 received at 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com>
Cc: bugs <at> gnus.org, 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7140: Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:26:02 +0200

Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com> writes:

> The amount of clutter depends on how the status is displayed; I don't
> think a single 'm' between the number of articles and the colon would
> be too distracting to anyone. But even if you don't want to do that by
> default, could you at least make it a user option? Gnus generally
> allows the customization of almost everything, so the few exceptions
> like the browse buffer line format seem all the more annoying.

The server-browse buffer commonly (if you point it to any of the big
news servers) inserts tens (or hundreds) of thousands of lines.
Allowing this to be customisable with the normal gnus-*-format-line
mechanism would make this unbearably slow.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi <at> gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Message #19 received at 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com>
To: bugs <at> gnus.org
Cc: 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7140: Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 01:02:14 +0300

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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>wrote:

> The server-browse buffer commonly (if you point it to any of the big
> news servers) inserts tens (or hundreds) of thousands of lines.
> Allowing this to be customisable with the normal gnus-*-format-line
> mechanism would make this unbearably slow.


I don't doubt that, but I wasn't asking for a format-line variable. (That
would be pointless; I can't imagine anyone seriously wanting to disable any
of the information already shown, and there's no easily available extra data
except for the moderation status.) I just want a simple boolean variable
that chooses between "show moderation status" and "don't show moderation
status".

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Message #22 received at 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com>
Cc: bugs <at> gnus.org, 7140 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7140: Browsing with gnus doesn't show moderation status
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:07:31 +0200

Esa Peuha <esa.peuha <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I just want a simple boolean variable that chooses between "show
> moderation status" and "don't show moderation status".

Sorry; I don't think it's worth it.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi <at> gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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