GNU bug report logs - #65414
save-some-buffers-functions are unexpectedly called when save-some-buffers pred is non-nil

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Message #14 received at 65414 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Joseph Turner <joseph <at> breatheoutbreathe.in>
Cc: jonas <at> bernoul.li, 65414 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65414: save-some-buffers-functions are unexpectedly called
 when save-some-buffers pred is non-nil
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:16:26 +0300

> From: Joseph Turner <joseph <at> breatheoutbreathe.in>
> Cc: 65414 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jonas <at> bernoul.li
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 16:57:06 -0700
> 
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Why is asking whether to save the abbrevs a problem in the case of
> > magit-save-repository-buffers?
> 
> magit-save-repository-buffers docstring reads "Save file-visiting
> buffers belonging to the current repository." IIUC, prompting to save
> abbrevs here is an undesirable implementation side-effect.

Why is it undesirable?  save-some-buffers always saved abbrevs, didn't
it?  And it did so independently of PRED, right?  So how did this
problem suddenly started affecting Magit?

IOW, I still don't have a clear idea what caused this problem, if
(AFAIU) it is a problem that started happening recently.

> Another example: hyperdrive.el adds to save-some-buffers-functions for
> saving hyperdrive file buffers:
> 
> https://git.sr.ht/~ushin/hyperdrive.el/tree/d7dc7a08ba47761108cf98e21ffa2d8dad28f34a/item/hyperdrive.el#L99
> 
> After this change, magit-save-repository-buffers now prompts to save
> irrelevant hyperdrive file buffers. I would like some way to tell
> hyperdrive--save-some-buffers not to prompt the user to save hyperdrive
> buffers from inside magit-save-repository-buffers.

Why do you want to do that?  Whether or not to prompt the user abides
by the common protocol defined by save-some-buffers: if it's called
with the argument ARG non-nil (which should happen interactively when
the user invokes the command with a prefix argument), there's no
prompt, otherwise Emacs prompts.  Why magit-save-repository-buffers
wants to break this common protocol?

I feel that I'm still missing something important, which causes you to
want a different behavior from magit-save-repository-buffers.  For
starters, can you describe how magit-save-repository-buffers ends up
calling save-some-buffers-functions in enough detail for me to
understand why you think saving these buffers is deemed "undesirable"?

> > And are you saying that before the change which added
> > save-some-buffers-functions, Emacs was not saving the abbrevs when
> > save-some-buffers was called?  If so, in what Emacs version was this
> > so?
> 
> The behavior of saving abbrevs when a PRED function is passed to
> save-some-buffers has not changed in Emacs 29. I just think that there
> may be room for improvement now that save-some-buffers-functions allows
> any package to add to save-some-buffers-functions.

We could try thinking about some backward-compatible change to the
save-some-buffers-functions feature, but a better understanding of the
issue is still needed.

Thanks.

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