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Suggestions for the "Options" menu

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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:49:39 -0500

Severity: wishlist

Suggestions for the "Options" menu:

    1. Remove "Highlight Active Region".

    2. Remove "Blink Cursor".

For both of these, this is the standard behavior in almost any text
editor, and any user that wants to customize them can and will do it
without the menu.

Message #8 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:34:42 +0300

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 20:49:39 -0500
> 
> Suggestions for the "Options" menu:
> 
>     1. Remove "Highlight Active Region".
> 
>     2. Remove "Blink Cursor".
> 
> For both of these, this is the standard behavior in almost any text
> editor, and any user that wants to customize them can and will do it
> without the menu.

Cursor blinking control is definitely not standard.

Anyway, I object to changing this on these grounds, because by this
logic we could remove any setting from that menu.

Message #11 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:50:19 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Cursor blinking control is definitely not standard.
>
> Anyway, I object to changing this on these grounds, because by this
> logic we could remove any setting from that menu.

Agreed.  I think there is also at least one other program on my system
where "Blink Cursor" is in the options (or perhaps file?) menu.

Message #14 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:58:35 +0300

>     2. Remove "Blink Cursor".
>
> For both of these, this is the standard behavior in almost any text
> editor, and any user that wants to customize them can and will do it
> without the menu.

None of the text editors that I tried has a blinking cursor by default.
Maybe because they use the system settings where I disabled cursor
blinking in Keyboard preferences.  So this menu item could be removed
not sooner than Emacs will respect these system settings as well.

Message #17 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Colin Baxter <m43cap <at> yandex.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 12:42:10 +0100

>>>>> Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:

    >> 2. Remove "Blink Cursor".
    >> 
    >> For both of these, this is the standard behavior in almost any
    >> text editor, and any user that wants to customize them can and
    >> will do it without the menu.

    > None of the text editors that I tried has a blinking cursor by
    > default.  Maybe because they use the system settings where I
    > disabled cursor blinking in Keyboard preferences.  So this menu
    > item could be removed not sooner than Emacs will respect these
    > system settings as well.

Please don't remove Blink Cursor from the Menu bar. I set the cursor to
blink via my ~/.emacs; however, I often want to stop temporarily the
cursor from blinking and this I do this via the menu.

Why remove something that has worked well over the years? Who gains?

Best wishes

Colin Baxter.

Message #20 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:16:07 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Suggestions for the "Options" menu:
>
>     1. Remove "Highlight Active Region".
>
>     2. Remove "Blink Cursor".
>
> For both of these, this is the standard behavior in almost any text
> editor, and any user that wants to customize them can and will do it
> without the menu.

I think the point here is to have an easy way to disable both of these
things (since both are things that many people find annoying), so I'd
rather keep them in the menu.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #23 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:04:21 -0500

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
>
>> Suggestions for the "Options" menu:
>>
>>     1. Remove "Highlight Active Region".
>>
>>     2. Remove "Blink Cursor".
>>
>> For both of these, this is the standard behavior in almost any text
>> editor, and any user that wants to customize them can and will do it
>> without the menu.
>
> I think the point here is to have an easy way to disable both of these
> things (since both are things that many people find annoying), so I'd
> rather keep them in the menu.

How about moving these two items to "Options -> Show/Hide"?  They seem
to fit in well with the other items in that submenu.

Message #26 received at 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 56507 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:10:02 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> How about moving these two items to "Options -> Show/Hide"?  They seem
> to fit in well with the other items in that submenu.

Hm...  perhaps -- we've got things like Tooltips under Show/Hide which
is in the same class as Blinking Cursor, sort of.  But only sort of.

I think I prefer to keep those options as is.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #31 received at 56507-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 56507-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56507: Suggestions for the "Options" menu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:38:45 -0500

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> I think I prefer to keep those options as is.

I guess we won't make more progress here so I'm closing the bug.
Thanks for considering my suggestions.

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