Package: emacs;
Reported by: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:49:02 UTC
Severity: normal
Done: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.
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From: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> Cc: emacs-bug-tracker <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#5559: marked as done (23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:40:03 +0000
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Your message dated Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:39:06 -0500 with message-id <sx6363imud.fsf <at> fencepost.gnu.org> and subject line Re: bug#5559: 23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs has caused the Emacs bug report #5559, regarding 23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this message is talking about, this may indicate a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org immediately.) -- 5559: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=5559 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org with problems
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From: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:47:53 -0800Well I am reporting this as a bug as it drives me nuts. I have no idea what all the reasons for these changes I noticed in either 23.1 or 23.1.92 are. But here is a users opinion on them. When you have people using emacs the new versions shouldn't change anything. They are setup to do a job and need to continue on without spending a day figuring out what new items to disable. Many people are setup by someone else and they don't have a clue as to how to fix it. So their setup person has to spend time with them to sort it out. Advertise the new stuff in NEWS and let people enable it if they want. some of the things that I caught right away mail-mode versus message mode colors ( can't see them good because of the colors I have set) message mail send slower mail not put in FCC file babyl format to mbox format split left/right versus top/bottom I assume ther are more but I went back to 22.3 In GNU Emacs 23.1.92.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.6) of 2010-02-09 on zephyr Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.60802000 configured using `configure '--prefix=/tools/wdtgnu/emacs-23.1.92' '--disable-nls'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: C value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: g SPC a n SPC e m a i l SPC t a k e s SPC m u c h SPC l o n g SPC t h e m <backspace> n SPC p r e v i o u s SPC e m a c s SPC v e r s i o n <return> <return> e m a c s - 2 3 . 1 . 9 2 SPC - Q <return> c - x SPC m <return> <return> f i l l SPC i n SPC T O ; <backspace> <backspace> o : SPC t o SPC b e SPC m y U s e r N a m e <return> <return> c - c SPC c - c <return> <return> O <backspace> I t SPC t a k e s SPC a SPC f e w SPC s e c o n d s SPC t o SPC s e n d SPC t h i s SPC e m a i l SPC v e r s u s SPC a l m o s t SPC i n s t a n t l y SPC SPC i n SPC p r e v i o u s SPC e m a c s SPC v e r s i o n s . <return> <return> <help-echo> T h i s SPC w i l l SPC b e SPC a SPC b i g SPC p a i n SPC f o r SPC t h e SPC w a y SPC I S-SPC w o r k . <return> C-c C-g C-g C-x C-s C-x C-g C-g C-c C-c y e s <return> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <escape> x r e o <backspace> p <tab> o <tab> r <tab> <return> Recent messages: Checking for load-path shadows...done Auto-saving...done Quit Saving file /login/warrend/Mail/drafts/*message*-20100210-133256... Wrote /login/warrend/Mail/drafts/*message*-20100210-133256 Quit Sending... Sending via mail... Sending...done Making completion list... 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MS 39-515 fax - (503) 627-2528 14180 S.W. Karl Braun Drive Email - warren.l.dodge <at> tektronix.com P.O. Box 500 Beaverton, OR 97077
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From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> To: 5559-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5559: 23.1.92; Don't change the default operation of emacs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:39:06 -0500Warren L Dodge wrote: > mail-mode versus message mode This is certainly controversial (eg check emacs-devel archives). Emacs does try to pop up a warning message about this change. All you need do is (setq mail-user-agent 'sendmail-user-agent) if it bothers you. > message mail send slower This is not supposed to happen, and presumably doesn't happen for most people since it has not been reported before. This is bug#5558. > mail not put in FCC file This is bug#5555. > babyl format to mbox format Hopefully you can agree it is better in the long-run for Rmail to use a more standard format like mbox. It would have been nice if Rmail could still handle Babyl as well, but there was no-one to do the work of making it support two formats. > split left/right versus top/bottom This is a new feature which some modes still don't expect and so it can cause some issues. It should only happen for wide frames. (setq split-width-threshold nil) should make it go away.
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