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29.0.50; `toggle-input-method' needs more user feedback

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From: Case Duckworth <acdw <at> acdw.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; `toggle-input-method' needs more user feedback
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:12:30 -0600

The other day I had some issues with typing that I could not figure out
the meaning of.  I checked my messages buffer, C-h m, etc., and nowhere
did I figure out that the issue was actually that I'd typed C-\
(fatfingered it) and toggled the input method to RFC 1345, which caused
& to trigger different inputs.

Shouldn't `toggle-input-method' include a message to the user?
Something like (format "Input method toggled to %s"
current-input-method) or something.  Maybe there is an option for that
and I just missed it.


In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2022-02-23 built on bob
Repository revision: 99ba8c03c8fac65c2497265c54e1bea49f7c6dd3
Repository branch: master
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--
Hugs,
Case Duckworth
https://www.acdw.net
https://breadpunk.club

Message #8 received at 54159 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Case Duckworth <acdw <at> acdw.net>
Cc: 54159 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54159: 29.0.50; `toggle-input-method' needs more user feedback
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 20:55:36 +0200

> From: Case Duckworth <acdw <at> acdw.net>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:12:30 -0600
> 
> 
> The other day I had some issues with typing that I could not figure out
> the meaning of.  I checked my messages buffer, C-h m, etc., and nowhere
> did I figure out that the issue was actually that I'd typed C-\
> (fatfingered it) and toggled the input method to RFC 1345, which caused
> & to trigger different inputs.
> 
> Shouldn't `toggle-input-method' include a message to the user?

It would be an annoyance, because when people use an input method they
typically toggle it on and off quite frequently.  Moreover, input
method can also be toggled when typing at the prompt in the minibuffer
(for example, when searching with Isearch or typing a file name at the
prompt of "C-x C-f"), in which case displaying a message there will
cause surprising effects.

The input method is reflected on the mode line, and we think that's
enough.

Message #13 received at 54159 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: acdw <acdw <at> acdw.net>
To: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 54159 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54159: 29.0.50; `toggle-input-method' needs more user feedback
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:00:53 -0600

On 2022-02-25 (Friday) at 12:55, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

>> From: Case Duckworth <acdw <at> acdw.net>
>> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:12:30 -0600
>> 
>> 
>> The other day I had some issues with typing that I could not figure out
>> the meaning of.  I checked my messages buffer, C-h m, etc., and nowhere
>> did I figure out that the issue was actually that I'd typed C-\
>> (fatfingered it) and toggled the input method to RFC 1345, which caused
>> & to trigger different inputs.
>> 
>> Shouldn't `toggle-input-method' include a message to the user?
>
> It would be an annoyance, because when people use an input method they
> typically toggle it on and off quite frequently.  Moreover, input
> method can also be toggled when typing at the prompt in the minibuffer
> (for example, when searching with Isearch or typing a file name at the
> prompt of "C-x C-f"), in which case displaying a message there will
> cause surprising effects.
>
> The input method is reflected on the mode line, and we think that's
> enough.

Ah, that explains the confusion -- sorry for the spurious bug report.  I have a highly-custom mode-line that doesn't include the input method.

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Message #16 received at 54159 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: acdw <acdw <at> acdw.net>
Cc: 54159 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 54160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54160: 29.0.50; `toggle-input-method' needs more user feedback
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:19:09 +0100

acdw <acdw <at> acdw.net> writes:

> Ah, that explains the confusion -- sorry for the spurious bug report.
> I have a highly-custom mode-line that doesn't include the input
> method.

No problem.  I'm closing this bug report, then.

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