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28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy

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From: "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:20:28 -0500

I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to
distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent,
presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not
used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop
of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep
my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a
torture.

It seems that this noisiness must be a deterrent to new users
starting to use Emacs; it would certainly discourage some from
sticking with it when they first use it.

One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user
presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly.


In GNU Emacs 28.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.30, cairo version 1.17.4)
 of 2021-12-03 built on moondust.localdomain
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12014000
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Message #10 received at 53196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 53196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#53196: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:56:33 +0800

"N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to
> distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent,
> presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not
> used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop
> of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep
> my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a
> torture.
>
> It seems that this noisiness must be a deterrent to new users
> starting to use Emacs; it would certainly discourage some from
> sticking with it when they first use it.
>
> One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user
> presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly.

They can turn on visible-bell, I think.  Ringing the bell is quite an
important feature that many of us have been tuned to listen to, and
disabling that by default would be quite sad.

Thanks.

Message #13 received at 53196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 53196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#53196: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:23:14 +0200

> From: "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:20:28 -0500
> 
> I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to
> distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent,
> presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not
> used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop
> of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep
> my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a
> torture.

What caused the beeps?  It isn't supposed to be too frequent, unless
you bump into errors all the time.

> One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user
> presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly.

C-g is a kind of interrupt, ringing the bell is justified when the
user interrupts whatever Emacs is doing.

Message #16 received at 53196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 53196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#53196: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:59:44 -0500

See https://debbugs.gnu.org/1305 (~ 200 messages, 13 years)

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