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image-save not working as expected for transformed image saving!

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From: Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: image-save not working as expected for transformed image saving!
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 12:28:54 +0900

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In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20,
cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2021-06-04 built on lgw01-amd64-021
Repository revision: 482b9449d48c4be3af331ae6eb9e751ee4d9e2d6
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12009000
System Description: Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS

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Message #8 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 09:23:47 +0300

> From: Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 12:28:54 +0900

Thanks, but can you please describe the recipe to reproduce the
problem?  Your report seems to lack that.

Message #11 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 09:46:01 +0300

[Please always use Reply All to keep the bug address on the CC.]

Forwarding to the bug tracker:

> From: Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:38:49 +0900
> 
> 1. Open image in image-mode
> 2. rotate the image and resize it.
> 3. run image-save to save the transformed image.
> 
> Expected: find the saved image to be the transformed one.
> What happens: the image found is the old original one!

Message #14 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:46:22 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> 1. Open image in image-mode
>> 2. rotate the image and resize it.
>> 3. run image-save to save the transformed image.
>> 
>> Expected: find the saved image to be the transformed one.
>> What happens: the image found is the old original one!

Emacs can't current export the "real" image data -- see bug#44172 (which
I've now merged with this one).  It's not quite clear how to proceed
with that bug report, because we leave the transforms to the OS, so
Emacs doesn't have easy access to the actual displayed image data.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #19 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 17:07:15 +0300

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Cc: Omar Elashkar <omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com>,  49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:46:22 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> 1. Open image in image-mode
> >> 2. rotate the image and resize it.
> >> 3. run image-save to save the transformed image.
> >> 
> >> Expected: find the saved image to be the transformed one.
> >> What happens: the image found is the old original one!
> 
> Emacs can't current export the "real" image data -- see bug#44172 (which
> I've now merged with this one).  It's not quite clear how to proceed
> with that bug report, because we leave the transforms to the OS, so
> Emacs doesn't have easy access to the actual displayed image data.

Maybe just document the limitation for now?

Message #22 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, omar.i.elashkar <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:46:44 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Emacs can't current export the "real" image data -- see bug#44172 (which
>> I've now merged with this one).  It's not quite clear how to proceed
>> with that bug report, because we leave the transforms to the OS, so
>> Emacs doesn't have easy access to the actual displayed image data.
>
> Maybe just document the limitation for now?

If we plan to change what it does, perhaps we should just leave it
vague?  On the other hand, we could say "Currently the command saves the
original image data, but that may change in the future?"  Hm...  or
perhaps `C-u' could make the command switch to "save current data" if we
ever figure out how to implement that.

OK, I'll update the doc string.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #25 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 44172 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 06:57:48 -0700

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Oh, `image-save'!  No, that can't be deprecated.

Maybe we should remove the key binding from `image-mode' though?
Or is it useful in `image-mode' buffers?

Message #28 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 44172 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2021 01:38:25 +0100

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Oh, `image-save'!  No, that can't be deprecated.
>
> Maybe we should remove the key binding from `image-mode' though?
> Or is it useful in `image-mode' buffers?

It's not very useful in `image-mode' buffers, but it's nice for
consistency, perhaps?  I think whenever you see an image in Emacs, you
should be able to interact with it that way.

-- 
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Message #31 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 44172 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 01:00:10 -0700

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> It's not very useful in `image-mode' buffers, but it's nice for
> consistency, perhaps?  I think whenever you see an image in Emacs, you
> should be able to interact with it that way.

I'm all for consistency, but in this case I think it confuses more than
it helps.  Actually, to explain what I think, "rotate" is an even better
example than "save", so please bear with me:

- eww: I'm hard-pressed to think of a case when I have ever wanted to
  rotate an image on a website.

- image-dired-thumbnail-mode: the thumbnails are currently rotatable,
  but that just makes it go out of synch with the picture.

- In the icons.el library I'm working on, we will use SVG images as
  icons.  They should not rotate on "r".  The same goes for the logo on
  the about/splash screen, etc.

IOW, I think we should consider "what might the user want to do with an
image here?" and then provide the bindings to do that.  The consistency
I would go for is more along the line of "every time you rotate an
image, it is the 'r' key" rather than "you can always rotate an image,
anywhere, even if it makes no sense".

For `image-save' specifically, I think this command makes sense in eww
as you will obviously want to be able to save images from websites.
I also think it would make obvious sense in a new `image-edit-mode'.

But I don't see that it makes sense in `image-mode' that is
fundamentally about displaying an image in various ways, and where users
might be lead to think that any activated display options (scaling,
etc.) will be reflected in a saved file.

Message #34 received at 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 49347 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 44172 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49347: image-save not working as expected for transformed
 image saving!
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2021 19:12:13 +0100

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> - eww: I'm hard-pressed to think of a case when I have ever wanted to
>   rotate an image on a website.

I do that all the time.  :-)  Well, OK, not all the time, but it's
happened more than once when people post upside-down images for the lulz.

> For `image-save' specifically, I think this command makes sense in eww
> as you will obviously want to be able to save images from websites.
> I also think it would make obvious sense in a new `image-edit-mode'.

I think whenever a user sees an image in Emacs, they should be able to
save it somewhere so that they can use it for something else.

> But I don't see that it makes sense in `image-mode' that is
> fundamentally about displaying an image in various ways, and where users
> might be lead to think that any activated display options (scaling,
> etc.) will be reflected in a saved file.

I see your point.  I have no strong opinions on whether these bindings
should be in image-mode, too -- if they're too confusing, we can remove
them there.

-- 
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   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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