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28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work

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From: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:50:24 +0200

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Hi,
Here are the steps to reproduce:
1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental
2. Type a character, like `a'
3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press <DEL>
4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will
be deleted.
In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894.60
Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H2))
 of 2020-10-14 built on C02Y80D7JHD4
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Message #8 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:59:33 +0200

Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Here are the steps to reproduce:
> 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental
> 2. Type a character, like `a'
> 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press <DEL>
> 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will be deleted.

I'm unable to reproduce this bug.  Do you get this when starting Emacs
with -Q?

It sounds like you have some sort of extension that makes buffers
read-only installed.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #13 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:07:16 +0200

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Hi there,
Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast!
Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't
read-only, though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the
region with C-w works. It's only deleting that doesn't work.
:-(
If there's any way that I could gather more information on this, let me
know.
Thanks!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:

> Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Here are the steps to reproduce:
> > 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental
> > 2. Type a character, like `a'
> > 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press <DEL>
> > 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing
> will be deleted.
>
> I'm unable to reproduce this bug.  Do you get this when starting Emacs
> with -Q?
>
> It sounds like you have some sort of extension that makes buffers
> read-only installed.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>

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Message #16 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:16:59 +0200

Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast!
> Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't read-only,
> though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the region with C-w
> works. It's only deleting that doesn't work.
> :-(

Could you try with -Q instead of -q?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #19 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:22:29 +0200

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Hi there,
Yes, tried that too. Same results.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:

> Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast!
> > Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't
> read-only,
> > though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the region
> with C-w
> > works. It's only deleting that doesn't work.
> > :-(
>
> Could you try with -Q instead of -q?
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>

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Message #22 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Pankaj Jangid <pankaj <at> codeisgreat.org>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:51:01 +0530

Just a radical thought. Try the steps on a bootstrap build.

make bootstrap

Message #25 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad <at> gmail.com>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:16:04 +0300

Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>> Could you try with -Q instead of -q?
> Hi there,
> Yes, tried that too. Same results.

Also let's see what command runs your "<DEL>" key.  Please do:
1. emacs -Q
2. C-h k <DEL>

Message #28 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:37:09 +0300

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Here are the steps to reproduce:
>> 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental
>> 2. Type a character, like `a'
>> 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press <DEL>
>> 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will be deleted.
>
> I'm unable to reproduce this bug.  Do you get this when starting Emacs
> with -Q?
>
> It sounds like you have some sort of extension that makes buffers
> read-only installed.

Why read-only?  Judging from the "Beginning of buffer" message some
scroll command was invoked.

Message #31 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:13:18 +0300

> From: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:07:16 +0200
> Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast!
> Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't read-only, though. Deleting without the
> region active works. Killing the region with C-w works. It's only deleting that doesn't work.
> :-(
> If there's any way that I could gather more information on this, let me know.

In that case, this is perhaps macOS specific?

Message #34 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:29:33 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> In that case, this is perhaps macOS specific?

I tried it on Macos, and was unable to reproduce the problem.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #37 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:41:37 +0200

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Hi there,
<DEL> runs `delete-backward-char'.
However, I had a thought. I'm running Emacs with Emacspeak, which advices
some functions to act as a screen reader and speak the deleted character. I
can't verify that Emacspeak isn't causing this error, although reading the
source code of the advice, all i see is a call to `(preceding-char)'.
Is there a way to follow the execution and see what that scrolling function
is?
Another thing that I noticed is that when I do `C-x h' my point is in the
very beginning of the buffer. Not sure if it has always been the case.
So, when I type `a ' (that is, a and then a space) and press `C-x h',
`(point)' returns 1, `(region-beginning)' returns 1, and `(region-end)'
returns 3.
I hope this is all useful.
Best,
Parham

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:29 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
> > In that case, this is perhaps macOS specific?
>
> I tried it on Macos, and was unable to reproduce the problem.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>

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Message #40 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad <at> gmail.com>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 22:29:07 +0300

Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Hi there,
> <DEL> runs `delete-backward-char'.

What is the value of the `delete-active-region` variable?

I can reproduce your issue by these steps:
1. emacs -Q
2. M-: (setq delete-active-region nil)
3. C-x h
4. M-x delete-backward-char

But if I skip step 2 the selected text is deleted.

Message #43 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
To: Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:51:26 +0200

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Hi,
Reading the documentation for the variable you just pointed to made me
realize that maybe transient-mode is somehow being turned off.
I did `emacs -Q`, and checked the value of `transient-mark-mode' in the
customize interface. It says that the value was "modified outside
customize".
So, something is setting this variable to nil, even though the standard
value is `t'.
No idea how this could be caused (maybe it's caused by the emacs-plus
homebrew formula I'm using?) but at least I can get rid of the weird
behavior by turning on transient mark mode now.
Thanks a lot everyone for all the help. I really appreciate it.
Best,
Parham

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:29 PM Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

> Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi there,
> > <DEL> runs `delete-backward-char'.
>
> What is the value of the `delete-active-region` variable?
>
> I can reproduce your issue by these steps:
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. M-: (setq delete-active-region nil)
> 3. C-x h
> 4. M-x delete-backward-char
>
> But if I skip step 2 the selected text is deleted.
>

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Message #46 received at 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 44005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:01:47 +0200

Parham Doustdar <parham90 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks a lot everyone for all the help. I really appreciate it.

No problem; closing the bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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