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Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File

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From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:28:41 +0800

49.3.5 Changing Key Bindings Interactively.
       mentions how to set and unset keys.
49.3.6 Rebinding Keys in Your Init File
       mentions how to set keys, but not how to unset keys.
emacs-version "26.3"

Message #8 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:19:49 +0200

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
>  <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:28:41 +0800
> 
> 49.3.5 Changing Key Bindings Interactively.
>        mentions how to set and unset keys.
> 49.3.6 Rebinding Keys in Your Init File
>        mentions how to set keys, but not how to unset keys.

I think there's a limit to what we can say in the user manual that
describes Lisp facilities.  Users who are serious about key-binding
customizations should read the ELisp manual to augment and co0mplement
what is in the user manual.

Message #11 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 00:28:55 +0800

Fine. Users can only unset keys interactively.

Message #14 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 00:44:27 +0800

I'm just saying that
(info "(emacs) Init Rebinding")
has 16 mentions of global-set-key, and not even one mention of
unsetting.

It also has two mentions of define-key, and not even the define-key
docstring mentions what to do about the lack of a undefine-key function
that the user is perhaps supposed to search for as
(info "(emacs) Init Rebinding")
doesn't have any reverse examples.

Message #17 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 05:23:53 +0100

close 39630
tags 39630 + wontfix notabug
thanks

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
>>  <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
>> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:28:41 +0800
>> 
>> 49.3.5 Changing Key Bindings Interactively.
>>        mentions how to set and unset keys.
>> 49.3.6 Rebinding Keys in Your Init File
>>        mentions how to set keys, but not how to unset keys.
>
> I think there's a limit to what we can say in the user manual that
> describes Lisp facilities.  Users who are serious about key-binding
> customizations should read the ELisp manual to augment and co0mplement
> what is in the user manual.

I agree.  Since no one besides the OP has expressed a different
opinion within two weeks, I'm closing this bug now.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

Message #24 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 39802 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 39631 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Actually 39802 solves the need for 39630 and 39631
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:51:58 +0800

Actually 39802 solves the need for 39630 and 39631.

Message #27 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:00:28 -0500

tags 39630 - notabug wontfix
forcemerge 39802 39630
quit

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

>> I think there's a limit to what we can say in the user manual that
>> describes Lisp facilities.  Users who are serious about key-binding
>> customizations should read the ELisp manual to augment and co0mplement
>> what is in the user manual.
>
> I agree.  Since no one besides the OP has expressed a different
> opinion within two weeks, I'm closing this bug now.

積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org> writes:

> Actually 39802 solves the need for 39630 and 39631.

I don't know about 39631, but 39630 is clearly the same as 39802 (I did
have a feeling of familiarity when I initially read that one), so it
doesn't make sense to mark it as wontfix when we are actually fixing it.

Message #34 received at 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 39630 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 39802 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 06:22:58 +0100

Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I don't know about 39631, but 39630 is clearly the same as 39802 (I did
> have a feeling of familiarity when I initially read that one), so it
> doesn't make sense to mark it as wontfix when we are actually fixing it.

Thanks.  I had missed the ongoing work in Bug#39802.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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