GNU bug report logs - #33109
Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800

In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save"
button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them
upon exit.

Only if they read (info "(emacs) Saving Customizations") will they learn
of the hidden "Save for Future Sessions" button.

I propose the latter button be placed on the interface right beside the
former button, visible from the start.

Message #10 received at 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations
 button
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:36:47 +0300

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
> 	<jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800
> 
> In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save"
> button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them
> upon exit.

In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
Save"?  I only see "Apply".

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From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:43:28 +0800

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".

emacs-version "25.2.2"
C-u C-x =
Click on "customize what to show".

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From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".

Don't start emacs with -Q !

Message #19 received at 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:07:01 +0300

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
> Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800
> 
> >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
> EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".
> 
> Don't start emacs with -Q !

OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
file--in my init file.  It even says so in the echo area.  So I think
I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.

Message #22 received at 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
>> Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800
>> 
>> >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".
>> 
>> Don't start emacs with -Q !

EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
EZ> file--in my init file.  It even says so in the echo area.  So I think
EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.

It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a
.emacs-custom.el . Anyway, then why is the difference between the
"Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? OK I suppose the
latter would just save and not apply.

(However I have not looked at the code.)

Message #25 received at 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:52:26 +0300

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
> Cc: 33109 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800
> 
> EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
> EZ> file--in my init file.  It even says so in the echo area.  So I think
> EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
> EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.
> 
> It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a
> .emacs-custom.el .

Why is this detail important?  Your original report was that it
doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit").  Do we now agree that
the customization _is_ saved when you press that button?  And that
there's no bug here?

> Anyway, then why is the difference between the
> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button?

What "Save for Future Sessions" button?  I only see  "Save for Future
Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label.

Message #30 received at 33109-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 33109-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:22:37 +0800

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
EZ> Why is this detail important?  Your original report was that it
EZ> doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit").  Do we now agree that
EZ> the customization _is_ saved when you press that button?  And that
EZ> there's no bug here?

Nothing got saved for me

>> Anyway, then why is the difference between the
>> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button?

EZ> What "Save for Future Sessions" button?  I only see  "Save for Future
EZ> Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label.

Ah, so there are two different "states" for saving...

OK I'll close this bug. Customization has always been a disaster for me.
Forget it.

Message #38 received at 33109-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: 33109-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions"
 Customizations button
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 23:23:24 +0800

Closing.

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