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25.0.94; Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 11:48:06 +0430

If I evalulate this in `emacs -Q' with subword-mode enabled, 8G won't expand:

(define-abbrev-table 'c++-mode-abbrev-table
  '(("8g" "struct" nil 0)
    ("8G" "class" nil 0)))

Message #8 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 17:51:35 -0400

Arash wrote:

> If I evalulate this in `emacs -Q' with subword-mode enabled, 8G won't expand:
>
> (define-abbrev-table 'c++-mode-abbrev-table
>   '(("8g" "struct" nil 0)
>     ("8G" "class" nil 0)))

Ref http://debbugs.gnu.org/17558#25

"Someone" needs to change instances of -word in abbrev.el to -word-strictly.
Perhaps just abbrev--before-point is enough. But who knows.

Message #13 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, pbqbqp <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 05:40:20 +0300

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 17:51:35 -0400
> Cc: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Arash wrote:
> 
> > If I evalulate this in `emacs -Q' with subword-mode enabled, 8G won't expand:
> >
> > (define-abbrev-table 'c++-mode-abbrev-table
> >   '(("8g" "struct" nil 0)
> >     ("8G" "class" nil 0)))
> 
> Ref http://debbugs.gnu.org/17558#25
> 
> "Someone" needs to change instances of -word in abbrev.el to -word-strictly.
> Perhaps just abbrev--before-point is enough. But who knows.

Actually, I don't think this is a bug.  In subword-mode, "8G" is 2
words.  At the time, I deliberately left abbrevs out of the
*-word-strictly conversion, since I believe users of this mode should
be able to expand sub-words.

So I think the OP needs to change the abbrevs in use to not bump into
this contradiction.

Message #16 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 19:31:18 +0430

> So I think the OP needs to change the abbrevs in use to not bump into
> this contradiction.

I think I just turn subword-mode off :D

Message #19 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:06:33 +0300

> From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>,  23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 19:31:18 +0430
> 
> > So I think the OP needs to change the abbrevs in use to not bump into
> > this contradiction.
> 
> I think I just turn subword-mode off :D

Yes, that's another possibility.

Message #24 received at 23705-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: 23705-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:22:05 +0300

> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:06:33 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
> > Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>,  23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 19:31:18 +0430
> > 
> > > So I think the OP needs to change the abbrevs in use to not bump into
> > > this contradiction.
> > 
> > I think I just turn subword-mode off :D
> 
> Yes, that's another possibility.

No further comments, so I'm marking this bug as done.

Message #27 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org, pbqbqp <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:17:04 -0400

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> > I think I just turn subword-mode off :D
>> 
>> Yes, that's another possibility.
>
> No further comments, so I'm marking this bug as done.

My comment is that if the OP's reaction "I'll just stop using
subword-mode then" is a common one, then the changes to make
subword-mode more pervasive are problematic.

Message #30 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:31:09 +0430

> My comment is that if the OP's reaction "I'll just stop using
> subword-mode then" is a common one, then the changes to make
> subword-mode more pervasive are problematic.

By his explanation I thaught the two modes are incompatible so I gave
up! (actually I didn't think that, I just didn't want to be mean lol)

So, My situation:
I'm using mixed case abbrevs in a abbrev/tempo setup, for example (with
^ being the cursor)

"8g" expands:
struct ^

"8G" expands:
struct ^ {
    ^
};
(I have tons of these! and I'm used to them and I love 'em)

and subword-mode might have been a little help in camelCase/PascalCase
codes.

Anyway! I reported the bug/incompatiblity, so now you know!
Hope it gets fixed before 25 (if it's a bug).

Message #33 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:56:21 +0300

> From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  eliz <at> gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:31:09 +0430
> 
> Anyway! I reported the bug/incompatiblity, so now you know!
> Hope it gets fixed before 25 (if it's a bug).

I don't see how it can be fixed, since there are 2 conflicting goals
involved.  The only way forward I can think of is a defcustom that
would allow users to choose one of these two goals.

Message #36 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 05:44:46 +0430

> I don't see how it can be fixed, since there are 2 conflicting goals
> involved.  The only way forward I can think of is a defcustom that
> would allow users to choose one of these two goals.

That would be great.

Message #39 received at 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23705: 25.0.94;
 Upper-case abbrev expansion doesn't work with subword-mode enabled
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:58:13 +0300

> From: Arash <pbqbqp <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org,  23705 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 05:44:46 +0430
> 
> > I don't see how it can be fixed, since there are 2 conflicting goals
> > involved.  The only way forward I can think of is a defcustom that
> > would allow users to choose one of these two goals.
> 
> That would be great.

Would someone please do this?

TIA

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