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24.5; Wishlist: automatically start second Gnus session as a slave

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From: Dave Abrahams <dave <at> boostpro.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.5; Wishlist: automatically start second Gnus session as a slave
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:00 -0800

I asked:

  The Gnus manual says you can get trouble by starting two non-slave
  Gnusae at once: [[info:gnus#Slave%20Gnusae][info:gnus#Slave Gnusae]]

  So, shouldn't `M-x gnus' automatically dispatch to `gnus-slave' in that
  case?

In <87d1s6ecwa.fsf <at> gnus.org>, Lars replied:

  I haven't used the Gnus slave in decades.  :-)  But I think you're
  right -- Gnus should start in slave mode if it manages to detect another
  non-slave Gnus running.  Could you report this with `M-x
  report-emacs-bug' as a wishlist item?




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-- 
-Dave

Message #8 received at 22621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Dave Abrahams <dave <at> boostpro.com>
Cc: 22621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22621: 24.5;
 Wishlist: automatically start second Gnus session as a slave
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:15 +0200

Dave Abrahams <dave <at> boostpro.com> writes:

> I asked:
>
>   The Gnus manual says you can get trouble by starting two non-slave
>   Gnusae at once: [[info:gnus#Slave%20Gnusae][info:gnus#Slave Gnusae]]
>
>   So, shouldn't `M-x gnus' automatically dispatch to `gnus-slave' in that
>   case?
>
> In <87d1s6ecwa.fsf <at> gnus.org>, Lars replied:
>
>   I haven't used the Gnus slave in decades.  :-)  But I think you're
>   right -- Gnus should start in slave mode if it manages to detect another
>   non-slave Gnus running.  Could you report this with `M-x
>   report-emacs-bug' as a wishlist item?

After thinking this over for 2 years, 8 weeks, 5 days, I think perhaps
this would be too fiddly.  First of all, detecting in a reliable way
that another Gnus is running is difficult.  And it's legitimate to start
a new Gnus, anyway, and people aren't used to the slave invocation.

So I think I'll mark this as a nofix after all.  :-)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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