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25.0.50; `perform-replace' should invoke a key that you have bound in `query-replace-map'

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From: Kaushal <kaushal.modi <at> gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>, Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: 20687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20687: 25.0.50; `perform-replace' should invoke a key that
 you have bound in `query-replace-map'
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:10:32 +0000

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> If the replacement string had uppercase chars then I always
     got the same message, which was very long - too long to read
     in the short time it was displayed.  Could we shorten that
     message, please?
Yes, I am looking for more ideas to get a better, shorter message.

>  And could we maybe have it logged to
     *Messages*, so that if someone doesn't have time to read it
     s?he can look it up?
Only for the messages where toggling is not possible, the message can be
logged to *Messages*. Sounds good?

> If the replacement string had no uppercase chars then I always
     got the same message (about case-fold-search being nil).
The toggling is not unconditional. Toggling case-replace/nocasify is very
picky!
So I had to put that (cond ..) statement there to handle the picky
scenarios where toggling cannot happen even if the user wanted to.

For the above case, nocasify will stay t regardless of the value of
case-replace IF the user has set case-fold-search to nil.
So the user will first need to do M-c (toggle case-fold-search to t) and
then do M-r. That too will not work IF the user has used upper case letter
in the search/regexp string or the replacement string.

This is the ideal case for M-r to always toggle nocasify
1. case-fold-search is t
2. all lower case in search/regexp string
3. all lower case in replacement string

>   What is `M-r' really supposed to do?  I don't see how it is a
   toggle, if repeating it always gives the same message, given
   the same replacement string.  Can you describe what the toggling
   or cycling among states is supposed to do/mean?

As described above, we cannot unconditionally toggle nocasify.. it depends
on a bunch of conditions to be right.

>   I think Juri is right, that it should be the following, because
   `lookup-key' can return a number if the key is too long:

   ((commandp def t)          ; User-defined key, invoke it.
    (call-interactively def))

I agree. Will make the change.

> If one of you could replace the paragraphs of the doc that I
   mentioned by just a statement that search is controlled by
   `case-fold-search', that would be good. You could then add
   that you can toggle this using `M-c' etc. IOW, (1) those
   paragraphs are useless, and (2) now we have something more
   to say about case sensitivity.

Case fold toggling is also a bit picky but the results are obvious, and M-c
can force toggle case-fold-search.

But default, search-upper-case is t. So if the user has a string with an
upper case in the search field of query-replace, case-fold-search will be
set to nil automatically (even if it is `t` by default). Then M-r will not
work in the beginning. User can, though, use M-c to toggle case-fold-search
first and then M-r if they wish.

I found the current documentation useful while working on this patch and
testing it out. But I will give it a one more read to try to improve it.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> wrote:

> > I tested this out and the M-c and M-r bindings work great. It now
> > also gives clear info on what the user should expect after that
> > binding is used. Please give it a try. I have still kept this line
> >
> >  (def (call-interactively def)) ; User-defined key, invoke it.
> >
> > as it could be useful to bind any other function from outside
> > that does not need internal variables.
>
> 1. I'm OK with whatever you guys come up with.  Thanks for working
>    on this.
>
> 2. I tried it only a little.  When I tried `M-r':
>
>    * If the replacement string had uppercase chars then I always
>      got the same message, which was very long - too long to read
>      in the short time it was displayed.  Could we shorten that
>      message, please?  And could we maybe have it logged to
>      *Messages*, so that if someone doesn't have time to read it
>      s?he can look it up?
>
>    * If the replacement string had no uppercase chars then I always
>      got the same message (about case-fold-search being nil).
>
>    What is `M-r' really supposed to do?  I don't see how it is a
>    toggle, if repeating it always gives the same message, given
>    the same replacement string.  Can you describe what the toggling
>    or cycling among states is supposed to do/mean?
>
> 3. Wrt this:
>
>       I have still kept this line
>       (def (call-interactively def)) ; User-defined key, invoke it.
>       as it could be useful to bind any other function from outside
>       that does not need internal variables.
>
>    I think Juri is right, that it should be the following, because
>    `lookup-key' can return a number if the key is too long:
>
>    ((commandp def t)          ; User-defined key, invoke it.
>     (call-interactively def))
>
> 4. If one of you could replace the paragraphs of the doc that I
>    mentioned by just a statement that search is controlled by
>    `case-fold-search', that would be good. You could then add
>    that you can toggle this using `M-c' etc. IOW, (1) those
>    paragraphs are useless, and (2) now we have something more
>    to say about case sensitivity.
>

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