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23.0.60; Rmail buffer marked modified after saving it
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Reported by: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:30:02 UTC
Severity: minor
Done: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
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To reproduce:
emacs -Q
C-u M-x rmail FOO RET
C-u g FOO.2 RET
The last command automatically saves the Rmail inbox (as it should),
but the buffer is nevertheless marked modified after the save.
If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
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In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2009-01-24 on HOME-C4E4A596F7
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)'
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: ENU
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: cp1255
default-enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: RMAIL
Minor modes in effect:
tooltip-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
global-auto-composition-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
C-u M-x r m a i l <return> ~ / d a <tab> m a i l .
i n <return> p p p n n n n C-u g <up> 2 <return> C-x
b * M e s s <tab> <return> C-x b <return> M-x r e p
o r t <tab> <return>
Recent messages:
Loading vc-cvs...done
Counting messages...done
No following nondeleted message
Getting mail from d:/usr/eli/data/mail.in2...
Counting new messages...
Counting messages...20
Counting new messages...done (37)
Saving file d:/usr/eli/data/mail.in...
Wrote d:/usr/eli/data/mail.in
37 new messages read
bug reassigned from package `emacs' to `emacs,rmail'.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> emacs -Q
> C-u M-x rmail FOO RET
> C-u g FOO.2 RET
>
> The last command automatically saves the Rmail inbox (as it should),
Yes, and at this point (after the new mail has been inserted) the
buffer is (correctly) marked unmodified.
> but the buffer is nevertheless marked modified after the save.
But immediately after this, rmail-set-attribute is called to remove
the "unseen" attribute from the first new mail inserted from FOO.2.
This (correctly) marks the buffer as modified. If the mails in FOO.2
have already been seen, no buffer modification occurs.
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emacs -Q
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The last command automatically saves the Rmail inbox (as it should),
but the buffer is nevertheless marked modified after the save.
Maybe it is deleting the "unseen" attribute when it shows one of the
newly insertes message.
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OT:
You replied to a mail that looked like this:
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Your reply was addressed to:
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org,
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Where are all these extra addresses coming from?
I can understand you having emacs-pretest-bug there (even though it's
unnecessary); but not bug-gnu-emacs and bug-submit-list as well. I
don't think that last one is even a valid address.
All this does is create duplicate mails (I got three copies of your
mail). Can you check your mail setup please?
(All you need is eliz and 2022).
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Message #33 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:10:22 -0500
> Cc: 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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>
> OT:
>
> You replied to a mail that looked like this:
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> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> Your reply was addressed to:
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> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org,
> bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com
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> Where are all these extra addresses coming from?
Like me, Richard uses Rmail. So I'm guessing he just pressed `r',
which replies to all the addresses in From:, To:, CC:, and Reply-To:,
which are not himself.
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> From: Richard M Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org, bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com,
> bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:53:23 -0500
>
> emacs -Q
> C-u M-x rmail FOO RET
> C-u g FOO.2 RET
>
> The last command automatically saves the Rmail inbox (as it should),
> but the buffer is nevertheless marked modified after the save.
>
> Maybe it is deleting the "unseen" attribute when it shows one of the
> newly insertes message.
That's what Glenn found out, yes. But I don't think I, as a user,
care about that attribute: if the buffer was just saved, it is not
modified from the user perspective. I find the fact that it is shown
as modified confusing.
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> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:12:15 -0500
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> But immediately after this, rmail-set-attribute is called to remove
> the "unseen" attribute from the first new mail inserted from FOO.2.
> This (correctly) marks the buffer as modified.
Emacs does not elsewhere consider seeing a file as its modification.
Why should Rmail be different?
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Message #46 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Like me, Richard uses Rmail. So I'm guessing he just pressed `r',
> which replies to all the addresses in From:, To:, CC:, and Reply-To:,
> which are not himself.
Whence bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com then?
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Message #49 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Emacs does not elsewhere consider seeing a file as its modification.
> Why should Rmail be different?
Because seeing a file (for the first time) modifies the
X-RMAIL-ATTRIBUTES: header, which is stored in the file.
I guess that if you just use rmail to visit a folder which has an
unseen mail, it will be marked modified in exactly the same way.
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Glenn Morris wrote (on Sun, 25 Jan 2009 at 00:54 -0500):
> Whence bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com then?
Oh, I see, it's the Resent-To address. So this is bug#512.
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> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:59:33 -0500
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
>
>
> Glenn Morris wrote (on Sun, 25 Jan 2009 at 00:54 -0500):
>
> > Whence bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com then?
>
> Oh, I see, it's the Resent-To address.
Yes, and bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org comes from Resent-CC. What about that
one?
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> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
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> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:57:04 -0500
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > Emacs does not elsewhere consider seeing a file as its modification.
> > Why should Rmail be different?
>
> Because seeing a file (for the first time) modifies the
> X-RMAIL-ATTRIBUTES: header, which is stored in the file.
The old (pre-mbox) Rmail also had the unseen attribute, but it never
marked the Rmail buffer modified when it was removed. So this is a
change in behavior, and I can't say I like it.
I don't think we want to regard seeing a message as a modification,
since the body of the message does not change a bit. But if we do
make this change, at the very least, it should have been implemented
as an option, and/or via an idle timer, so that just paging thru many
messages does not automatically mark them as ``seen'', although no
human could possibly ``see'' a message in a fraction of a second.
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Message #65 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> The old (pre-mbox) Rmail also had the unseen attribute, but it never
> marked the Rmail buffer modified when it was removed.
That's a good argument. I wonder how it worked...
> I don't think we want to regard seeing a message as a modification,
> since the body of the message does not change a bit.
But the meta-data (or whatever you want to call it) has changed.
If Emacs were to crash without saving at that point, you would lose
some data, namely the data that you had viewed a particular mail.
It seems pretty reasonable to me. It's what VM does, for example.
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> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:45:59 -0500
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > The old (pre-mbox) Rmail also had the unseen attribute, but it never
> > marked the Rmail buffer modified when it was removed.
>
> That's a good argument. I wonder how it worked...
By setting the buffer's modified flag, like it's done everywhere else.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> By setting the buffer's modified flag, like it's done everywhere else.
Actually, it seems rmail-mode-1 used to lie to you by doing:
(setq mode-line-modified "--")
Seems like a bad idea to me... Anyway,
(add-hook 'rmail-mode-hook (lambda () (setq mode-line-modified "--")))
and you're back to having the wool pulled over your eyes.
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Message #78 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
You replied to a mail that looked like this:
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Your reply was addressed to:
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org,
bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com
They were in the message I replied to. Rmail's reply command puts
them in automatically. Sometimes I remember to delete them, sometimes
I forget.
Here's what I get in *mail*:
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 2022 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
CC: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org, bug-submit-list <at> donarmstrong.com,
bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
The inclusion of those other addresses is certainly undesirable,
but given these headers, is Rmail doing something wrong?
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Subject: bug#2022: 23.0.60; Rmail buffer marked modified after saving it
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Message #81 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
Richard M Stallman wrote:
> The inclusion of those other addresses is certainly undesirable,
> but given these headers, is Rmail doing something wrong?
Rmail was including the Resent-To and Resent-CC addresses in the
reply. It was established on emacs-devel in June 2008 that this is
incorrect according to RFC 2822 (filed as bug#512). I believe I have
just fixed this in rmail-reply.
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>> The inclusion of those other addresses is certainly undesirable,
>> but given these headers, is Rmail doing something wrong?
> Rmail was including the Resent-To and Resent-CC addresses in the
> reply. It was established on emacs-devel in June 2008 that this is
> incorrect according to RFC 2822 (filed as bug#512). I believe I have
> just fixed this in rmail-reply.
Thank you,
Stefan
PS: The rest still needs to be fixed on the debbugs side.
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Rmail was including the Resent-To and Resent-CC addresses in the
reply. It was established on emacs-devel in June 2008 that this is
incorrect according to RFC 2822 (filed as bug#512).
This conclusion seems really strange. If you received a message that
was resent to you and others, shouldn't they be in the CC for your response?
I searched my mail from June for bug.512 and got no matches.
Can you send me whatever message stated the reasons for this conclusion?
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Message #99 received at 2022 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):
Richard M Stallman wrote:
> This conclusion seems really strange. If you received a message that
> was resent to you and others, shouldn't they be in the CC for your response?
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> I searched my mail from June for bug.512 and got no matches.
> Can you send me whatever message stated the reasons for this conclusion?
For the record, this discussion has moved to emacs-devel.
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I'd propose to tag this "wontfix", unless there are objections?
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> I'd propose to tag this "wontfix", unless there are objections?
Objection!
I would like Rmail to keep the previous behavior, whereby it sets up
the mode line to not show the modified status. There's no real reason
to change that behavior; I'm not aware of any request for such a
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> I would like Rmail to keep the previous behavior, whereby it sets up
> the mode line to not show the modified status. There's no real reason
> to change that behavior; I'm not aware of any request for such a
> feature.
Fair enough. I'm not an rmail user, so my opinion is not worth much.
(But the old behaviour seems like a bug to me, rather than a feature.)
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I would like Rmail to keep the previous behavior, whereby it sets up
the mode line to not show the modified status.
I changed that a long time ago, because I discovered I did want to
know whether the buffer is modified.
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> I would like Rmail to keep the previous behavior, whereby it sets up
> the mode line to not show the modified status.
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> I changed that a long time ago, because I discovered I did want to
> know whether the buffer is modified.
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> I would like Rmail to keep the previous behavior, whereby it sets up
> the mode line to not show the modified status.
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> I changed that a long time ago, because I discovered I did want to
> know whether the buffer is modified.
Well, at least this change in behavior should be in NEWS.
Severity set to `minor' from `normal'
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> Well, at least this change in behavior should be in NEWS.
ok, done
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