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24.4; Init script from su terminal

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From: ibeas <at> gmx.com (Álvar Ibeas)
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.4; Init script from su terminal
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:36:58 +0100

Hello,

Working under Debian, when I switch to root using `su', Emacs doesn't
load the init script located in my user's home folder, as the manual
says:

``if you run Emacs from a shell started by `su', Emacs tries to find
your own `.emacs', not that of the user you are currently pretending
to be [...] It gets your user name from the environment variables
`LOGNAME' and `USER'.''

The variables LOGNAME and USER have both the value `root'. The command
`logname' returns instead my own user name.

Is this an Emacs bug?

Message #8 received at 19477 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: ibeas <at> gmx.com (Álvar Ibeas)
Cc: 19477 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#19477: 24.4; Init script from su terminal
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:36:26 -0500

Álvar Ibeas wrote:

> ``if you run Emacs from a shell started by `su', Emacs tries to find
> your own `.emacs', not that of the user you are currently pretending
> to be [...] It gets your user name from the environment variables
> `LOGNAME' and `USER'.''
>
> The variables LOGNAME and USER have both the value `root'. The command
> `logname' returns instead my own user name.

Emacs is behaving as documented.

The `su' programs from coreutils (it's since been removed in favour of
the util-linux one) and util-linux (as used by eg Red Hat) do not change
LOGNAME or USER when su'ing to root.

It seems that Debian's `su' comes from the `shadow' package and does
change them.

But all the `su' programs are behaving as documented too.
It's a shame they don't agree with each other...

Message #13 received at 19477-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: ibeas <at> gmx.com (Álvar Ibeas)
To: 19477-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: 24.4; Init script from su terminal
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:34:13 +0100

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Emacs is behaving as documented.
>
> The `su' programs from coreutils (it's since been removed in favour of
> the util-linux one) and util-linux (as used by eg Red Hat) do not change
> LOGNAME or USER when su'ing to root.
>
> It seems that Debian's `su' comes from the `shadow' package and does
> change them.

Thanks for replying. I see now that most of the environment variables
are kept with the `-p' option.

Message #16 received at 19477 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 19477 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: ibeas <at> gmx.com
Subject: Re: bug#19477: 24.4; Init script from su terminal
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:01:44 -0500

I'm not sure this should be closed.
Perhaps there is a better way for Emacs to do what it wants
(get the name under which you logged in) than consulting LOGNAME.
Eg it could do what `logname' the program does.
Although reading the info page for that, what it does (check
/var/run/utmp etc) doesn't seem that great, or portable.

I'm not sure that what Debian's su does is "correct", but I could not
find a standard for su. In any case, this seems like one of those things
that is impossible to ever get changed, because people come to rely on
it behaving the way it does.

In any case, I think the Emacs documentation could stand to be tweaked a
bit. Eg util-linux/coreutils su only leaves LOGNAME alone if you change
to root, not if you change to a non-root user.

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