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electric indent gripes

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From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; 
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:47:57 -0500

In text mode, if the buffer contains
-----------------------------------------
foo
   bar
-----------------------------------------

and point is at the start of the second line, and I type RET,
it gives

-----------------------------------------
foo

bar
-----------------------------------------

This is clearly wrong.


In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.18 (mips64el-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
 of 2013-12-14 on chiefs-gnewsense
Bzr revision: 115526 tzz <at> lifelogs.com-20131214180409-n2o5017gxsjvz8as
System Description:	gNewSense GNU/Linux 3.0 (parkes)

Configured using:
 `configure 'CFLAGS=-g -O0''

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Text

Minor modes in effect:
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  gpm-mouse-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
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Recent input:
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-@ C-u C-n 
ESC e c ESC , RET RET ESC \ N o , SPC I t h i n k SPC 
C-u C-b C-b C-b SPC C-h f n w DEL e w l i n e RET C-e 
y o u SPC h v e SPC DEL DEL DEL a v e SPC m i s C-a 
C-k I n d e e d , SPC i t SPC i s n ' t SPC a SPC c 
o p i e r . SPC SPC C-a ESC f ESC f ESC DEL t h a t 
C-e H o w e v e r , SPC w h a t ' s SPC r e l e v a 
n t SPC t o SPC t h i s SPC i s s u e RET i s SPC t 
h a t SPC c o m p u t e r s SPC c a n SPC c o p y SPC 
p r o g r a m s . SPC SPC D i f f e r e n t i a t i 
o n SPC i s n ' t SPC r e a DEL l e v a SPC t DEL DEL 
n t . RET C-c C-c C-x 1 C-a C-u C-v C-u C-v C-u C-v 
C-u C-v n d d d d d d d C-x C-f f o o f o . t x t RET 
f o o SPC b a r RET SPC SPC SPC l o s e RET ESC x b 
u g SPC ESC DEL r e p o r t SPC e m a c s SPC b u g 
RET

Recent messages:
Wrote /home/rms/outgoing/out-36
Sending...done
Quit
Mark set [2 times]
Type "q" in help window to restore its previous buffer.
Auto-saving...
Sending...
Wrote /home/rms/outgoing/out-37
Sending...done
(New file)

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Message #12 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Alan Mackenzie <acm <at> muc.de>
To: gnu-emacs-bug <at> moderators.isc.org
Subject: Re: bug#16156: 24.3.50;
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:06:43 +0000 (UTC)

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> In text mode, if the buffer contains
> -----------------------------------------
> foo
>   bar
> -----------------------------------------

> and point is at the start of the second line, and I type RET,
> it gives

> -----------------------------------------
> foo

> bar
> -----------------------------------------

> This is clearly wrong.

RET is bound to `newline'.  `newline' now indents the new line created,
under certain arcane conditions which hold by default.

C-j is bound to `electric-indent-just-newline'.  This command doesn't
indent the new line created.

I also think this is not the right thing to do.

> -- 
> Dr Richard Stallman

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

Message #15 received at 16156 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 16156 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 16155 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16156: electric indent gripes
Date: Thu, 05 May 2022 14:51:18 +0200

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

> In text mode, if the buffer contains
> -----------------------------------------
> foo
>
>    bar
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> and point is at the end of the line, and I type RET,
> it indents the following line.
>
> I don't ever like having newline indent.  It should be a minor mode,
> and the documentation of `newline' should explain how to easily turn
> this off.

It is a minor mode, and the doc string does explain this (at least now
it does).

---
It is bound to RET.

(newline &optional ARG INTERACTIVE)

Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line.
With prefix argument ARG, insert that many newlines.

If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line
that it adds, and reindents the preceding line.  To just insert
a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline.
---

So I don't think there's anything we want to change here, and I'm
closing this bug report.

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