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24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:29:55 +0530

24.3.50; Org-8.0 on trunk: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new
export options

All exporters are new and I expect the below command to report something
interesting.  

Please review and correctly tag defcustoms declared in ox.el and ox-*.el
are 

More details here: 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00474.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00475.html

In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.7 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
 of 2013-11-13 on debian-6.05
Bzr revision: 115084 bzg <at> gnu.org-20131112201421-0nj2dry7fdghp3h9
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze)

Message #10 received at 15896-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15896-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:21:39 +0200

> From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:29:55 +0530
> 
> 24.3.50; Org-8.0 on trunk: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new
> export options
> 
> All exporters are new and I expect the below command to report something
> interesting.  
> 
> Please review and correctly tag defcustoms declared in ox.el and ox-*.el
> are 
> 
> More details here: 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00474.html
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00475.html

Stop this.  That discussion you mention clearly indicated that the
maintainers think there's no bug here, and won't fix it.

Message #13 received at 15896-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 15896-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:27:45 +0530

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Stop this.  That discussion you mention clearly indicated that the
> maintainers think there's no bug here, and won't fix it.

When a library is distributed with Emacs it needs to conform to certain
conventions.  

I use 

    M-x customize-changed 

to explore new options.

It is ONE of the standard ways to explore new features.

You are really willing to let go of standard conventions and practices
seems to me like the case of a tail wagging the dog.

Look at the facts and make up your mind.  

Message #16 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:20:55 +0200

> From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: 15896-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:27:45 +0530
> 
> Look at the facts and make up your mind.  

I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.

Message #19 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:54:55 +0530

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Look at the facts and make up your mind.  
>
> I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.

Funny.

Message #22 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 12:35:01 +0530

> I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.

I am not the only exception.  See this post, where the change in the
prefix is affecting existing customization.  One of the suggestions I
made was to establish an alias or an obsolete alias for defcustoms.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-11/msg00601.html

,----  From that post:
|
| The name of the variable is org-export-with-sub-superscripts.
| 
| Maybe org-use-sub-superscripts is a remnant that should be deleted: not
| sure why it is still around. I note that it is defined and used in
| org.el, whereas org-export-with-sub-superscripts is defined and used in
| ox.el.
`----

In my frank opinion, you fall in to the errro of mixing the message and
the medium.

This bug was dissmissed merely because it came from me...

Bastien was not involved with exporters (in any sense) and he wants to
avoid grunt work by being argumentative with me.  Now, if you are siding
with his arguments and not make up your mind, you are just being
whimsical.  

It was rude of you to close the bug of which you nothing about.

Message #25 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:49:33 +0100

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:

>> I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.
>
> I am not the only exception.  See this post, where the change in the
> prefix is affecting existing customization.  One of the suggestions I
> made was to establish an alias or an obsolete alias for defcustoms.
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-11/msg00601.html

I enhanced the docstrings of `org-export-with-sub-superscripts' and
`org-use-sub-superscripts' to explain the decoupling of these two
variables since 8.0, and I fixed the :version and :version-package.

Thanks for the heads up.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #28 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:02:37 +0100

Jambunathan K. writes:
> It was rude of you to close the bug of which you nothing about.

It was rude of you to close all your existing bugs. Did it cross your
mind that maybe people already started working on those? This is not
a playground for your ego trips.

-David

Message #31 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:35:04 +0530

Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org> writes:

> I enhanced the docstrings of `org-export-with-sub-superscripts' and
> `org-use-sub-superscripts' to explain the decoupling of these two
> variables since 8.0, and I fixed the :version and :version-package.

You are good at PR.  There are more variables that need work...

Message #34 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:05:13 +0530

David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de> writes:

> This is not a playground for your ego trips.

Or Eli Zaretskii's.  That's precisely my point.

Message #37 received at 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 15896 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15896: 24.3.50;
 Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:40:34 +0100

Jambunathan K. writes:
> David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de> writes:
>
>> This is not a playground for your ego trips.
>
> Or Eli Zaretskii's.  That's precisely my point.

Nobody cares for your "points" if you're pulling stunts like closing all
bugs you've opened. I for one am done talking to you.

-David

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