From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:00:11 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#9872 <9872@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#9872 <9872@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? Reply-To: bug#9872 <9872@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:00:11 +0000 retitle 9872 hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? reassign 9872 libtool submitter 9872 karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) severity 9872 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 25 19:18:17 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2011 23:18:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqG9-0000gM-33 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:18:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqG6-0000gA-1q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:18:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqEN-0003vV-Pu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:48674) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqEN-0003vG-O1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45794) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqEM-0006XP-R0 for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqEL-0003ut-TZ for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:26 -0400 Received: from b0.f7.net ([66.148.120.132]:51978 helo=freefriends.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RIqEJ-0003uO-Q6; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:24 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (sls-af11p1 [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9PNGJrN021882; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:16:22 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/submit) id p9PNGIJb021881; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:16:18 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:16:18 GMT Message-Id: <201110252316.p9PNGIJb021881@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: nobody set sender to karl@freefriends.org using -f From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) To: bob@proulx.com, jself@gnu.org, oneingray@gmail.com, ivan@gray.siamics.net, virtualboxjames@gmail.com, nospam76@gmail.com Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? In-Reply-To: <20111025172817.GA13199@hysteria.proulx.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-hello@gnu.org, bug-libtool@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) There were several messages on several lists about the crazy url's relating to cross references from one Texinfo manual to another, like http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/emacs/ I've explained this a number of times in a number of places, but apparently not enough times and not the right places :). The bad news is that there is no good way to fix this immediately. We'll just have to keep living with these weird url's, as we have been for many years already. The good news is that the next release of Texinfo does fix this in the right way, such that cross-manual references will end up going to the real manual, as in http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/etc... I hope that we will make the first pretest for the next Texinfo within a few days, perhaps next week. At that point, it should be feasible to use it to (re)generate HTML, if nothing else. It would also be very helpful testing from my Texinfo-maintainer perspective :). I've been using the development Texinfo to create the HTML for new versions of the GNU Coding Standards and Maintainer Information (and of the latest GNU Hello release), so at least the thing is basically functional. Of course, another (ugly) option is to post-process the generated HTML to change the links. If anyone cares, I can send the scripts I used to do that before the new Texinfo was far enough along. Best, karl From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 17 02:36:45 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2024 07:36:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50535 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQ0Tc-0000Vy-Td for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 02:36:45 -0500 Received: from woodpecker.gentoo.org ([140.211.166.183]:60346 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQ0Ta-0000Vi-Eu for 9872@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 02:36:43 -0500 Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix, from userid 559) id 3C7CF343362; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:36:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger To: karl@freefriends.org Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? User-Agent: GNU debbugs/0 Message-Id: <20240117073635.3C7CF343362@smtp.gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:36:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 Cc: 9872@debbugs.gnu.org, bob@proulx.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:16:18 +0000, karl@freefriends.org wrote: > There were several messages on several lists about the crazy url's > relating to cross references from one Texinfo manual to another, like > http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/emacs/ > > I've explained this a number of times in a number of places, but > apparently not enough times and not the right places :). > > The bad news is that there is no good way to fix this immediately. > We'll just have to keep living with these weird url's, as we have been > for many years already. > > The good news is that the next release of Texinfo does fix this in the > right way, such that cross-manual references will end up going to the > real manual, as in > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/etc... > > I hope that we will make the first pretest for the next Texinfo within a > few days, perhaps next week. At that point, it should be feasible to > use it to (re)generate HTML, if nothing else. It would also be very > helpful testing from my Texinfo-maintainer perspective :). > > I've been using the development Texinfo to create the HTML for new > versions of the GNU Coding Standards and Maintainer Information (and of > the latest GNU Hello release), so at least the thing is basically > functional. > > Of course, another (ugly) option is to post-process the generated HTML > to change the links. If anyone cares, I can send the scripts I used to > do that before the new Texinfo was far enough along. from what i can tell, there's no action required for libtool here ? we aren't including any manuals in the libtool site. those URIs work because we've setup syminks, not because we copied content over. $ cd htdocs/libtool/manual $ cat .symlinks /software/autoconf/manual/html_node autoconf /software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html autoconf.html /software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.pdf autoconf.pdf /software/automake/manual/html_node automake /software/automake/manual/automake.html automake.html /software/automake/manual/automake.pdf automake.pdf /software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs emacs /software/emacs/manual/html_mono/emacs.html emacs.html /software/emacs/manual/emacs.pdf emacs.pdf /software/libc/manual/html_node libc /software/libc/manual/html_mono/libc.html libc.html /software/libc/manual/pdf/libc.pdf libc.pdf $ curl http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/emacs/ 302 Found

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-mike From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 17 16:55:53 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2024 21:55:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQDt2-0001Lr-Nq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:55:53 -0500 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:53832 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQDso-0001LO-Lh for 9872@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:55:39 -0500 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 40HLtaoi025184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:55:36 -0700 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 40HLtagE025183; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:55:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:55:36 -0700 Message-Id: <202401172155.40HLtagE025183@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: vapier@gentoo.org Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? In-Reply-To: <20240117073635.3C7CF343362@smtp.gentoo.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 Cc: 9872@debbugs.gnu.org, bob@proulx.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) from what i can tell, there's no action required for libtool here ? Only if you want to get rid of your symlinks. we aren't including any manuals in the libtool site. those URIs work because we've setup syminks, not because we copied content over. Texinfo has supported cross-manual references "correctly" for a decade now (version 5.0, ca.2013). The control file is named htmlxref.cnf (should already be in any Texinfo installation). I don't think you have to do anything special; the cross-manual xrefs should just come out referring to the manuals on their own project page. The implementation is described here: https://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/texinfo.html#HTML-Xref We never implemented links for PDFs, though, which I see you're making symlinks for. Is that so if someone clicks on a link in libtool.pdf (reading online) which goes to emacs.pdf, it works? That is not a case that was relevant in the past, but I imagine it could be added (not by me). Thanks, Karl From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 17 18:46:52 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2024 23:46:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQFcS-0000Wz-Cn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:46:52 -0500 Received: from woodpecker.gentoo.org ([140.211.166.183]:39580 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQFcQ-0000SJ-Lq for 9872@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:46:51 -0500 Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix, from userid 559) id A5ED434338F; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 23:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:46:42 -0500 From: Mike Frysinger To: Karl Berry Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? Message-ID: References: <20240117073635.3C7CF343362@smtp.gentoo.org> <202401172155.40HLtagE025183@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/kENb7b//g5aHcB+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202401172155.40HLtagE025183@freefriends.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 Cc: 9872@debbugs.gnu.org, bob@proulx.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --/kENb7b//g5aHcB+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 17 Jan 2024 14:55, Karl Berry wrote: > from what i can tell, there's no action required for libtool here ? >=20 > Only if you want to get rid of your symlinks. i don't think it costs us anything, so i'm not really worried > we aren't including any manuals in the libtool site. those URIs work > because we've setup syminks, not because we copied content over. >=20 > Texinfo has supported cross-manual references "correctly" for a decade > now (version 5.0, ca.2013). The control file is named htmlxref.cnf > (should already be in any Texinfo installation). >=20 > I don't think you have to do anything special; the cross-manual xrefs > should just come out referring to the manuals on their own project page. > The implementation is described here: > https://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/texinfo.html#HTML-Xref i guess it's a question of, have all the broken manuals been regenerated, a= nd do we care if older local archives are broken ? what about older versions = of manuals too ? https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/index-full.html > We never implemented links for PDFs, though, which I see you're making > symlinks for. Is that so if someone clicks on a link in libtool.pdf > (reading online) which goes to emacs.pdf, it works? That is not a case > that was relevant in the past, but I imagine it could be added (not by me= ). not sure why the links are there, but they were added explicitly: revision 1.2 date: 2011-01-29 05:59:55 -0500; author: rwild; state: Exp; lines: +6 -3= ; commitid: AjTk1baMH0tAo96v; * manual/.symlinks: Reorder symlinks. Add links to PDF versions of other manuals. Prompted by report from Jim Warhol against Autoconf. -mike --/kENb7b//g5aHcB+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEuQK1JxMl+JKsJRrUQWM7n+g39YEFAmWoZuIACgkQQWM7n+g3 9YFcGw//T68rc8ZrwoW9VjwW2k6fRTodOfx6TZ63ib9NkYhLJNWapsArbHQ3ZDD/ bk3+4xfQhkzgaUNJDQiffOQIhi2V19ohRwzPnMtWTkMG46krcLYA2qAgt+EmLof/ 1brw9b4L0Fr554/eP5o6yGO3WOsePlRJYRiZgPYz9wXFldPcWjTCpt4pEnkO8Agg gyV89rv/CK8LuMrHiLig+LGTH/EnRLtwd5WJf2G4MTIOR9VhlfOOcPEbb9qXsWVh p+4/RiKG6drMF0VOOOTAhf+1BnA9p+r0oBcoxMF3V3mrU5ibqHc535/IyGjUd0TM ekU5WVoGTbzjSzRTqyR+XrHC9GYv+JK8kX9JfVUPS6+WPZZa+IObqflUSAqlEtNN j7s+i2hvmfTCXX3ouJNIAs2M6w9oxC6p6895KzFWErZIsSJSFEkDkJAhg60q1Sxn Z6bvSrHTwjQhc6BOB1gTSHlROjOU5JE8z19uUX8MrzTpx0LypLu1iI2WsnjxqAtS QMKbaNvly25HK18IvPVijG75IrRnDEPlGhg/QAH3OcBUOmmxRdb9vVyc43oALA2r X4y+sigJSkig0Q+yrX0GhmbZmjunroPWWfM8Jhji2GNJoIfqBpHYZPxm0yajVcsQ Ys/4ARNzyxnXyi1zSFErsbloShSt8PjCPnca+N3EOjQ7Cy6/Idg= =iy5Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/kENb7b//g5aHcB+-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 18 17:55:16 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2024 22:55:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQbI3-0000eG-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:55:15 -0500 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:45862 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQbI1-0000dz-9Y; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:55:14 -0500 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 40IMt8LF030511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:55:08 -0700 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 40IMt7Dh030453; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:55:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:55:07 -0700 Message-Id: <202401182255.40IMt7Dh030453@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: vapier@gentoo.org Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 Cc: 9872@debbugs.gnu.org, bob@proulx.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) i don't think it costs us anything, so i'm not really worried Agreed. Closing this bug. But for the record will reply to your other comments. i guess it's a question of, have all the broken manuals been regenerated, I would hope so, by now, but I haven't checked. do we care if older local archives are broken ? I don't :). what about older versions of manuals too ? https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/index-full.html Well, Automake does not have any .symlinks for other manuals, so I assume there are plenty of broken cross-manual links, but no one has complained. Although I don't think that means much of anything. In general, my theory on such cross-manual references is that for decades it was essentially random whether it worked or not ... and it mostly didn't. Which is why Patrice and I invented the htmlxref.cnf system in the first place. So I can't get too excited about worrying about previous attempts. It's not like it's terribly difficult to just visit the other manual and find the node in question. Anyway, doing nothing sounds like a good solution to me :). --best, karl. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 18 19:55:11 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2024 00:55:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQdA6-0008NA-Ip for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:55:10 -0500 Received: from woodpecker.gentoo.org ([140.211.166.183]:38204 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQdA4-0008Mm-DS for 9872@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:55:09 -0500 Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix, from userid 559) id 270E13433AF; Fri, 19 Jan 2024 00:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:54:58 -0500 From: Mike Frysinger To: Karl Berry Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? Message-ID: References: <202401182255.40IMt7Dh030453@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2sUykEpSqEANP1iq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202401182255.40IMt7Dh030453@freefriends.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 Cc: 9872@debbugs.gnu.org, bob@proulx.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --2sUykEpSqEANP1iq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18 Jan 2024 15:55, Karl Berry wrote: > i don't think it costs us anything, so i'm not really worried >=20 > Agreed. Closing this bug. > But for the record will reply to your other comments. >=20 > i guess it's a question of, have all the broken manuals been regenera= ted,=20 >=20 > I would hope so, by now, but I haven't checked. >=20 > do we care if older local archives are broken ? >=20 > I don't :). >=20 > what about older versions of manuals too ? > https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/index-full.html >=20 > Well, Automake does not have any .symlinks for other manuals, so I > assume there are plenty of broken cross-manual links, but no one has > complained. Although I don't think that means much of anything. i meant, do old automake manuals have the broken links and refer to the libtool links ? to answer my own question, i grepped the automake tree and all https://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/... links are to manual/, nothing else. just to be clear, was the problem they were referring to libtool all the time ? or was it they would use the current URI base to point to a diff project ? so the .symlinks file would only be for libtool's own manuals, or were other projects also routing via those links ? i thought it was the latter. if it's the former, killing the symlinks now sounds fine. -mike --2sUykEpSqEANP1iq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEuQK1JxMl+JKsJRrUQWM7n+g39YEFAmWpyGIACgkQQWM7n+g3 9YFqPg//WMdyPj9L9taApHP/WsMId5EY+5CQTRXeozXUQ1xhrpuxqXx3dXJWaGXU HG+YnaDkhfYc0+crMu5Oo4DdbFp3rC+5KDgaTe5zYHfqJyjxJeqkyVjOVVM70sBs rYry59a2r09rOY7akOjhkaLVFLtl0UjDfa9pIigx5k7JyKSYZFYqIe7LZX4G0B1Y j+dPzDgrHPPzONnKtqgvRtt44UjZR3FhiQCOiSmGtlspyQoW3ObB/C9TEIPLjevj sk/+HzEdPBNBHiTsb4T39y/oIqz09/c1Ev0t2XtSjRuHj4Czp1qCTUdjHXzR5dQZ wvVRbnMB3+oId37zjfFFkrp7a8kzW0PNOhzSnyUWMPGjzoJ7grcpxjJrb0lP3VUe GQVKsGF3ul10zIhmVj7+ud9Fc689za1FpBRCagwfvOKa8ktxQE2J0tvo4u+Ymg62 tg6r7VZGshQI//UBWgOsNaOZE2EjlZa6SN/5+z5jwP5+ebdlhzpZaaeiWczDWX+E l5O4y7Pm8LdXvU8PtMPJLJUIiifz8wx+uYVQmLwCHKg0MMWtNl52GavpR8BBK3Q9 ruFlUy6Bnqj4aN4L40bS+eFL+Hb6pH+aM1FPiXFkDu2ac1paNQD7htekd1uWUXH0 JCMGq1+VG/pYrqo0hnVX3/XDfPcPu96cl4afvjtwXPvFPa/biUw= =R0Ys -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2sUykEpSqEANP1iq-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 20 17:40:46 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2024 22:40:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rRK17-0004qX-Mj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 17:40:45 -0500 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:49400 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rRK15-0004qB-KW for 9872@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 17:40:44 -0500 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 40KMedX6030060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 20 Jan 2024 15:40:39 -0700 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 40KMed0K030058; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 15:40:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 15:40:39 -0700 Message-Id: <202401202240.40KMed0K030058@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: vapier@gentoo.org, 9872@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Mike, I'm not entirely sure what you meant by your other questions, but the answer to: were other projects also routing via those links ? is no. The .symlinks within gnu.org/s/libtool/manual were/are essentially only used by libtool's manuals, within gnu.org/s/automake/manual only by automake's manuals, etc. Well, I guess I'm not sure what happened when a cross-referenced manual referred to yet another external manual, but that's not a case I was ever worried about (or saw reported). The basic problem was that a cross-manual link would end up with a url like "libtool within automake" gnu.org/s/automake/manual/libtool/somenode.html. Hence the .symlinks entry, to make that resolve. But I'm confused now, because looking at even the earliest automake manual, https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/1.0/automake.html the xref to the autoconf manual in the introduction has the good url: https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html#Top instead of something like the bad ("autoconf within automake") url: https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/autoconf/autoconf.html#Top that I would have expected, and surely what was generated with automake-1.0 or other early-ish releases. Maybe someone regenerated all the automake manuals at some point. I don't know, but I have no other explanation. Best, Karl From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 20 19:57:11 2024 Received: (at 9872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2024 00:57:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36208 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rRM99-0000Qf-66 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 19:57:11 -0500 Received: from mail.gentoo.org ([2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]:34283 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rRM97-0000QL-0o for 9872@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 19:57:10 -0500 Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix, from userid 559) id 6F4C134325B; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 00:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 19:56:57 -0500 From: Mike Frysinger To: Karl Berry Subject: Re: hello project web page includes libc and autotools manuals? Message-ID: References: <202401202240.40KMed0K030058@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+Rqrt0KqYYTf9Ees" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202401202240.40KMed0K030058@freefriends.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9872 Cc: 9872@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --+Rqrt0KqYYTf9Ees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20 Jan 2024 15:40, Karl Berry wrote: > were other projects also routing via those links ? >=20 > is no. The .symlinks within gnu.org/s/libtool/manual were/are > essentially only used by libtool's manuals ok, i've deleted them now then as current libtool manuals do not use them. -mike --+Rqrt0KqYYTf9Ees Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEuQK1JxMl+JKsJRrUQWM7n+g39YEFAmWsa9kACgkQQWM7n+g3 9YGeZA//aerGw0OcvB5DR8KwlPvaHoylmJfBnOtuPHSTZ6ByeuAvI5t8qhPZFmaf CUKN/tpNrBATudPYyYQ2I7SXaaX7OAGPGNaU+QkWPeQyvBxF0fz4lPWEgAtudnqn 8hofh/Yamz/89/tcvqxum/i7j6Yt0Axw3t5uoSMjQfpjVjB8sgCi5Fbmi2NVLuHO kc2BAuq+yCzWo/suuj/mOzEh3EQVubz0O9UDFduJPfjGWCNFPrvAj9s6eBLVi5DJ Wg80cDSn3W8dzCQYFDx0qRMG35dr6W9ekgKsO8SfVCKJZPCkVUApq7yDLpiD8TGF 9Jtqm1lXYFzhtTwNhOtLdRictBIuohchlVgua+JENw86XeBlDhl21kx+cv+c77hB 3Y/BUS0HSM8L6g2FVi+YfUVqODqYEywA6ZfSx7akE6rgLxCWlwEXVDaX32Af9VFg Kkzt0ZxwOzAcQAGvZsvBN3YdAtOEFT8bxoQBimLa1OvO3fTfIK/c5xs3bzPKXB57 ZYnadC0DrjXIw7vrR/TTLjXjgdgdQ6AZWUTGEBwYzGZMBYEHsHHeyZVbp65yAZM8 1F0d1ysags/CFShs+RsFqqTWWAQiFCErzd2QnOy5Uym0AZOH0dl0oqH+FOLb44Gh Zv8SE1/Lofm9agFhzIPjbMawMTgvwtZQ+9g7NMe3p1fpDFmqF74= =K4Ko -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+Rqrt0KqYYTf9Ees-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:00:11 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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