From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 09 16:02:03 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2011 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZT-0000hp-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:02:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZQ-0000hK-Sp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:02:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZD-00062c-9g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:01:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:37361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZC-00062U-Th for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:01:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47004) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZB-0004Vl-QR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:01:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZA-00062G-On for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:01:45 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:51964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzZA-000627-JL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:01:44 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p99K1ffr023079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:01:43 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p99K1eiu024530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:01:41 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p99K1Zkc022095 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:01:35 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.58.246) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:01:34 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; doc string of defcustom Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:01:35 -0700 Message-ID: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcyGvj9fbyZE3gzkS92393mlJHvqVQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4E91FDA7.007F:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) There is a horrible confusion because of the different uses of `VALUE' in two different contexts: in the ARG list and in this: "The remaining arguments should have the form [KEYWORD VALUE]..." After that, the keywords are described, with VALUE presumably being different for each one. That's OK, but we should not be using the same name, "VALUE" for the argument in the arglist. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-09-19 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 09 16:16:48 2011 Received: (at 9711) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2011 20:16:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznk-00012O-21 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzni-00012B-6d for 9711@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:46 -0400 Received: from ucsinet23.oracle.com (ucsinet23.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p99KGV1D010868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <9711@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:16:33 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet23.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p99KGU1X001638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9711@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:16:31 GMT Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p99KGPjg027188 for <9711@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:16:25 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.58.246) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:16:25 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: <9711@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#9711: 24.0.50; doc string of defcustom Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:16:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1A035264243D4245BAEF0E8433BBFB5A@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: AcyGvj9fbyZE3gzkS92393mlJHvqVQAAM9UQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet23.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4E920121.00FD,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9711 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) In addition, this seems wrong: "Neither SYMBOL nor VALUE need to be quoted." Huh? VALUE is evaluated. What is meant by this statement? Evaluate this, and you get a `void-variable' error for `jjjjjj'. (defcustom foo jjjjjj "kkkkkkk" :type sexp) That doc-string statement is bogus, AFAICT. The Elisp manual is OK: it says "you should not quote OPTION" (which corresponds to SYMBOL in the doc string), and it says "Evaluating the `defcustom' form evaluates STANDARD" (which corresponds to VALUE in the doc string). Aside from making the grammar INcorrect (it was correct before) by changing "needs" to "need", the bogus statement "Neither SYMBOL nor VALUE need to be quoted." is unchanged from Emacs 20. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 06 07:49:31 2012 Received: (at 9711) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2012 12:49:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56444 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RuO0c-0008Rz-Kv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:49:31 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:43715 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RuO0W-0008Rn-An for 9711@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:49:24 -0500 Received: from bb121-7-229-69.singnet.com.sg ([121.7.229.69]:58486 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuNzh-0007S1-6E; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:48:30 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#9711: 24.0.50; doc string of defcustom References: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:48:21 +0800 In-Reply-To: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:01:35 -0700") Message-ID: <87aa4w2kmi.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9711 Cc: 9711@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) "Drew Adams" writes: > "The remaining arguments should have the form > > [KEYWORD VALUE]..." > > After that, the keywords are described, with VALUE presumably being > different for each one. That's OK, but we should not be using the same > name, "VALUE" for the argument in the arglist. Fixed, thanks. > In addition, this seems wrong: > > "Neither SYMBOL nor VALUE need to be quoted." > > Huh? VALUE is evaluated. What is meant by this statement? That argument is evaluated, but it is also used as an expression. I edited the docstring to make this clearer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 06 07:50:02 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2012 12:50:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56447 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RuO1B-0008Su-Ut for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:50:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:43726 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RuO19-0008SZ-P6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:50:00 -0500 Received: from bb121-7-229-69.singnet.com.sg ([121.7.229.69]:58494 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuO0L-0008VN-8T for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:49:09 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 9711 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:49:02 +0800 Message-ID: <87ty34rutd.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) close 9711 thanks From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:42:24 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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