From unknown Fri Aug 15 12:53:06 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#9689 <9689@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#9689 <9689@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" Reply-To: bug#9689 <9689@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 19:53:06 +0000 retitle 9689 Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" reassign 9689 emacs submitter 9689 Alan Mackenzie severity 9689 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 05:52:18 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2011 09:52:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76I-0008Jx-KL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76H-0008Jk-1Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75x-0007oY-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:58 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:48313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75x-0007oU-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75w-00079n-GO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75v-0007oF-JB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:56 -0400 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:53623 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75v-0007o2-Bp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 26913 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Oct 2011 09:51:53 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951B9DD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.185.221]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:51:51 +0200 Received: (qmail 3156 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 +0000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" Message-ID: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Hi, Emacs. In manual page "The Mark and the Region", an "active mark" is defined as the region being highlighted. Lower down the page, it says that with transient-mark-mode disabled, the mark is always active. This use of "active" contradicts the definition given above. This could be fixed by redefining "active" to mean "you can use commands which use the mark", or something like that. Alternatively, one could say that with t-m-m disabled, "the mark is always inactive, but you can always use in commands". Second alternative: With transient-mark-mode disabled "the region is not highlighted at all". -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 12 13:41:09 2011 Received: (at 9689) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2011 17:41:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2nk-0000zf-Fq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2ni-0000ys-AR for 9689@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:06 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp-128-36-14-81.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CHeaHr023418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:37 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Alan Mackenzie Subject: Re: bug#9689: Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" References: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 +0000") Message-ID: <878voqcdm3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9689 Cc: 9689@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Alan Mackenzie writes: > In manual page "The Mark and the Region", an "active mark" is defined as > the region being highlighted. > > Lower down the page, it says that with transient-mark-mode disabled, the > mark is always active. This use of "active" contradicts the definition > given above. > > This could be fixed by redefining "active" to mean "you can use commands > which use the mark", or something like that. > > Alternatively, one could say that with t-m-m disabled, "the mark is > always inactive, but you can always use in commands". > > Second alternative: With transient-mark-mode disabled "the region is not > highlighted at all". Thanks; I've reworded this text. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 12 13:41:20 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2011 17:41:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2nv-00010H-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:20 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.144]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2nu-0000zs-3t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:18 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp-128-36-14-81.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CHemFw014270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:49 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 9689 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <87lisq5crj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.144 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) close 9689 thanks From unknown Fri Aug 15 12:53:06 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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