From unknown Sat Aug 16 13:47:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9689: Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9689 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9689@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131798113831992 (code B ref -1); Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:53:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2011 09:52:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76I-0008Jx-KL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC76H-0008Jk-1Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:52:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75x-0007oY-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:58 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:48313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75x-0007oU-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75w-00079n-GO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75v-0007oF-JB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:56 -0400 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:53623 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC75v-0007o2-Bp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:51:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 26913 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Oct 2011 09:51:53 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951B9DD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.185.221]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:51:51 +0200 Received: (qmail 3156 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 +0000 Message-ID: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Hi, Emacs. In manual page "The Mark and the Region", an "active mark" is defined as the region being highlighted. Lower down the page, it says that with transient-mark-mode disabled, the mark is always active. This use of "active" contradicts the definition given above. This could be fixed by redefining "active" to mean "you can use commands which use the mark", or something like that. Alternatively, one could say that with t-m-m disabled, "the mark is always inactive, but you can always use in commands". Second alternative: With transient-mark-mode disabled "the region is not highlighted at all". -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). From unknown Sat Aug 16 13:47:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9689: Contradiction in manual page "The Mark and the Region" Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9689 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Mackenzie Cc: 9689@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9689-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9689.13184412693827 (code B ref 9689); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 9689) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2011 17:41:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2nk-0000zf-Fq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2ni-0000ys-AR for 9689@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:06 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp-128-36-14-81.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CHeaHr023418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:37 -0400 From: Chong Yidong References: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20111007094729.GC2830@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:47:29 +0000") Message-ID: <878voqcdm3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Alan Mackenzie writes: > In manual page "The Mark and the Region", an "active mark" is defined as > the region being highlighted. > > Lower down the page, it says that with transient-mark-mode disabled, the > mark is always active. This use of "active" contradicts the definition > given above. > > This could be fixed by redefining "active" to mean "you can use commands > which use the mark", or something like that. > > Alternatively, one could say that with t-m-m disabled, "the mark is > always inactive, but you can always use in commands". > > Second alternative: With transient-mark-mode disabled "the region is not > highlighted at all". Thanks; I've reworded this text. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 12 13:41:20 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2011 17:41:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2nv-00010H-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:20 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.144]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE2nu-0000zs-3t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:41:18 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp-128-36-14-81.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9CHemFw014270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:49 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 9689 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <87lisq5crj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.144 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) close 9689 thanks