From unknown Thu Sep 11 09:18:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9629: 24.0.50; Cursor position in *Help* buffer is unhelpful Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9629@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131730422424656 (code B ref -1); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:51:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2011 13:50:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9H0I-0006Pc-Kn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:50:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9H0F-0006PU-TV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:50:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzG-0004ZF-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:56414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzG-0004ZB-Gb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzF-00055B-Is for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzE-0004Yt-Gh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:17 -0400 Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]:35000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzE-0004Yp-DY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:16 -0400 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so572809vcb.0 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=OD2QYuF/bOkubV5DkzPXCytBrXV6qpcdA+TXwQMiuYY=; b=EyZDFGufBYt+Oqe1atGw/GO6qnwn/TOFuplY/mhi5F7MvNb2zGW/CEhMX5P0fUC6Jr J/lSb0P1W+9iw0FGDoaESUeehzUt4zj/6Zb/CADY469iN6h3HEXNRhiwwFpzBJyZMoCu LV8ETg7Y+oWmoHTV6kY2wOMLE+F6xWtOY9qb4= Received: by 10.68.9.39 with SMTP id w7mr22330625pba.18.1317304155338; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.241.124.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm6822980pbt.3.2011.09.29.06.49.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:18:53 +0530 Message-ID: <81fwjfihmi.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-09-19 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt' Steps to reproduce: 1. emacs -Q 2. C-h C-\ tamil-itrans RET 3. Note that the cursor position is at head of the help buffer 4. Now (setq pop-up-windows nil) and repeat steps 1 and 2. 5. See that the cursor position is at the tail of the help buffer Considering that the help buffer is big, showing the tail of the buffer is very unhelpful. Particularly a new user on a netbook (where there is very little screen estate) might be mistaken in to thinking that the help buffer only displays the key bindings and not other useful things. From unknown Thu Sep 11 09:18:15 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Jambunathan K Subject: bug#9629: closed (Re: bug#9629: 24.0.50; Cursor position in *Help* buffer is unhelpful) Message-ID: References: <87ob5mi758.fsf@gmail.com> <81fwjfihmi.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 9629 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 9629@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:09:07 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1384492147-9007-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1384492147-9007-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #9629: 24.0.50; Cursor position in *Help* buffer is unhelpful which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 9629@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 9629: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D9629 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1384492147-9007-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 9629-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 05:09:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhBeR-0002Kz-GU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 00:09:04 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com ([209.85.192.179]:64046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhBeP-0002KI-2f for 9629-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 00:09:01 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r10so70595pdi.38 for <9629-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:08:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=J031GXewnaACqsprHRq7ZhAivpOG36ggI7TgI07VQ78=; b=NGqco1K6xbNAEQQMKZ3Daddms0bNiwIBDwO/UIC8Wnf3KOt+JNJNDLH/ftqenmMGiG O4xm9yhuGgHADqIVliRtfAeKRHQfsy+gMXObRUCxRHDwp1nzCQ2fyOWfIg6H7y23upV6 cFuPr7Yd0jwiMIgOLV8/w957ZwnCncpF9Zys5Zn7Ds2fAq09Y3rkQjAPs6Na+e5BrFoi Tqe9gg6Wf7+2+DYUDIFFQ7+eYhkHLuxbYsCeZmVUoRbJHGsRFgdbfYeHrhxcDLKh1MGz /rhnghmbfezlrd64kVSFpCfhDM7SbhapbqjvespUJHg/i+j7N8T00IlkCyOG4MOCcW2f ntgA== X-Received: by 10.68.99.99 with SMTP id ep3mr4963634pbb.107.1384492135488; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.27.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xs1sm1839830pac.7.2013.11.14.21.08.53 for <9629-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:08:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 9629-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#9629: 24.0.50; Cursor position in *Help* buffer is unhelpful References: <81fwjfihmi.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:38:35 +0530 In-Reply-To: <81fwjfihmi.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:18:53 +0530") Message-ID: <87ob5mi758.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9629-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) OP here. Closed. ------------=_1384492147-9007-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2011 13:50:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9H0I-0006Pc-Kn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:50:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9H0F-0006PU-TV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:50:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzG-0004ZF-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:56414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzG-0004ZB-Gb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzF-00055B-Is for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzE-0004Yt-Gh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:17 -0400 Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]:35000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9GzE-0004Yp-DY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:49:16 -0400 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so572809vcb.0 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=OD2QYuF/bOkubV5DkzPXCytBrXV6qpcdA+TXwQMiuYY=; b=EyZDFGufBYt+Oqe1atGw/GO6qnwn/TOFuplY/mhi5F7MvNb2zGW/CEhMX5P0fUC6Jr J/lSb0P1W+9iw0FGDoaESUeehzUt4zj/6Zb/CADY469iN6h3HEXNRhiwwFpzBJyZMoCu LV8ETg7Y+oWmoHTV6kY2wOMLE+F6xWtOY9qb4= Received: by 10.68.9.39 with SMTP id w7mr22330625pba.18.1317304155338; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.241.124.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm6822980pbt.3.2011.09.29.06.49.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.50; Cursor position in *Help* buffer is unhelpful Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:18:53 +0530 Message-ID: <81fwjfihmi.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-09-19 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt' Steps to reproduce: 1. emacs -Q 2. C-h C-\ tamil-itrans RET 3. Note that the cursor position is at head of the help buffer 4. Now (setq pop-up-windows nil) and repeat steps 1 and 2. 5. See that the cursor position is at the tail of the help buffer Considering that the help buffer is big, showing the tail of the buffer is very unhelpful. Particularly a new user on a netbook (where there is very little screen estate) might be mistaken in to thinking that the help buffer only displays the key bindings and not other useful things. ------------=_1384492147-9007-1--