From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:17:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer Resent-From: Katsumi Yamaoka Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9605 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9605@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131704735312188 (code B ref -1); Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:30:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2011 14:29:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CBF-0003AW-0j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:29:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CBD-0003AQ-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:29:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAR-0001qI-Jk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:39725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAR-0001qE-IC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAQ-0003Uw-G4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAP-0001pt-80 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:22 -0400 Received: from halifax.hostforweb.net ([205.234.198.248]:58425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAP-0001on-5Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:21 -0400 Received: from softbank218118002006.bbtec.net ([218.118.2.6]:58478 helo=) by halifax.hostforweb.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAI-00089J-2J; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:28:14 -0500 From: Katsumi Yamaoka X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:28:13 +0900 Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:XfIl0sBXDKWzz7MakXofxCJewrQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - halifax.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) When I start Emacs with the argument `-q' and type `q' the cursor is put at the beginning of the *scratch* buffer. But shouldn't it be the end of the buffer? From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:17:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9605 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Katsumi Yamaoka Cc: 9605@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9605-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9605.13172304348951 (code B ref 9605); Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 9605) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2011 17:20:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8xo9-0002KK-VB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:20:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8xo7-0002KC-SK for 9605@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:20:32 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8xnD-0006U4-A1; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:19:35 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: csim kibo illuminati broadside Aldergrove UMTS ASO spies X-Ran: -t&xkNG`3ME"[&_fgeTe\mNeA@pfymBF2xl'sMC$FKdb~:'Ll}$$y:c#`A`&U"!srGvnz0 X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:19:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:28:13 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > When I start Emacs with the argument `-q' and type `q' the cursor > is put at the beginning of the *scratch* buffer. But shouldn't it > be the end of the buffer? Yes it should. It goes to point-min because the *GNU Emacs* window has a quit-restore parameter that looks like: (other (# 1 1 33 ... I don't know what is supposed to update this. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:17:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9605 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Katsumi Yamaoka Cc: 9605@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9605-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9605.13172308579582 (code B ref 9605); Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 9605) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2011 17:27:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8xuz-0002UV-PN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:27:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8xux-0002UO-53 for 9605@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:27:36 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8xu2-0007BG-Qz; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:26:38 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: SHA infowar Mantis FTS2000 rail gun security DRM enforcers X-Ran: Z\/4SBM-d_Y$TpU%z4ka0`&uO|ZW!A7e' (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:19:35 -0400") Message-ID: <35pqik60j5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) I wonder if this summarizes the issue: emacs -Q M-< ; point at start of *scratch* C-x b foo In foo, insert and evaluate: (with-current-buffer "*scratch*" (goto-char (point-max)) (insert "foo")) Then M-x quit-window In Emacs 23.3, point in *scratch* is now at point-max (after "foo"). In Emacs 24.0.90, it is at point-min. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:17:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9605 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Katsumi Yamaoka , 9605@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9605-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9605.131723439914763 (code B ref 9605); Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 9605) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2011 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8yq7-0003q4-59 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:26:39 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8yq4-0003pv-Bf for 9605@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:26:38 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Sep 2011 18:25:38 -0000 Received: from 62-47-49-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.49.134]) [62.47.49.134] by mail.gmx.net (mp048) with SMTP; 28 Sep 2011 20:25:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19kCkgoabBkxioLfE7O3AJcaf2f8Ya8Se94Wgijke LmkysEocYdcdsM Message-ID: <4E83669F.9090108@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:25:35 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35pqik60j5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <35pqik60j5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > emacs -Q > > M-< ; point at start of *scratch* > C-x b foo > > In foo, insert and evaluate: > > (with-current-buffer "*scratch*" > (goto-char (point-max)) > (insert "foo")) > > Then > > M-x quit-window > > In Emacs 23.3, point in *scratch* is now at point-max (after "foo"). > In Emacs 24.0.90, it is at point-min. It's not easy to find a general solution for this. Suppose you edit the same buffer in two windows A and B, temporarily switch to another buffer in window B, continue editing in window A, and eventually quit window B. In this case you want point in window B be at the position it had before you switched to another buffer in it. In the case at hand we could call `kill-buffer' in `exit-splash-screen'. But can't we do the insertion before or while the buffer is displayed? martin From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:17:24 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Katsumi Yamaoka Subject: bug#9605: closed (Re: bug#9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer) Message-ID: References: <4E842AFD.7080901@gmx.at> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 9605 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 9605@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:25:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1317284702-25207-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1317284702-25207-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 9605@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 9605: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D9605 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1317284702-25207-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 9605-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2011 08:24:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9Bux-0006Xt-RZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:24:32 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9Buu-0006Xi-Rf for 9605-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:24:30 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Sep 2011 08:23:28 -0000 Received: from 62-47-44-192.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.44.192]) [62.47.44.192] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 29 Sep 2011 10:23:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18KvQ9W344KORMRyK+DungqxNJzabOaUSpE0023KZ Pnrpgkn85SUPsN Message-ID: <4E842AFD.7080901@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:23:25 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9605-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#9605: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9605-done Cc: Glenn Morris , Katsumi Yamaoka X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >> When I start Emacs with the argument `-q' and type `q' the cursor >> is put at the beginning of the *scratch* buffer. But shouldn't it >> be the end of the buffer? > > Yes it should. It goes to point-min because the *GNU Emacs* window has a > quit-restore parameter that looks like: > > (other (# 1 1 33 ... > > I don't know what is supposed to update this. Should be fixed now. Please try again. martin ------------=_1317284702-25207-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2011 14:29:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CBF-0003AW-0j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:29:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CBD-0003AQ-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:29:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAR-0001qI-Jk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:39725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAR-0001qE-IC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAQ-0003Uw-G4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAP-0001pt-80 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:22 -0400 Received: from halifax.hostforweb.net ([205.234.198.248]:58425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAP-0001on-5Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:28:21 -0400 Received: from softbank218118002006.bbtec.net ([218.118.2.6]:58478 helo=) by halifax.hostforweb.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8CAI-00089J-2J; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:28:14 -0500 From: Katsumi Yamaoka To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.90; initial point in *scratch* buffer X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:28:13 +0900 Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:XfIl0sBXDKWzz7MakXofxCJewrQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - halifax.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) When I start Emacs with the argument `-q' and type `q' the cursor is put at the beginning of the *scratch* buffer. But shouldn't it be the end of the buffer? ------------=_1317284702-25207-1--