From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:20:13 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#9399 <9399@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#9399 <9399@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: gnus-auto-select-next is dangerous Reply-To: bug#9399 <9399@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:20:13 +0000 retitle 9399 gnus-auto-select-next is dangerous reassign 9399 gnus submitter 9399 Dave Abrahams severity 9399 normal tag 9399 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 29 04:31:51 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Aug 2011 08:31:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QxxG2-0006jM-KO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 04:31:50 -0400 Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com ([74.125.83.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QxxFz-0006jE-LQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 04:31:49 -0400 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so4162933gwb.3 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.212.6 with SMTP id k6mr971228wfg.96.1314606526082; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.local (92-52-237-24.gci.net. [24.237.52.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm5772849pbn.11.2011.08.29.01.28.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C63C7D91DCF; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 00:28:43 -0800 (AKDT) From: Dave Abrahams To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys) Subject: gnus-auto-select-next is dangerous X-Debbugs-Version: 5.110018 X-Debbugs-Package: gnus Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 00:28:43 -0800 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=shift_jis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) On a keyboard with a fast repeat rate, holding down `n' in the summary buffer is liable to unintentionally mark large numbers of articles read and then =81gcommit=81h the changes by exiting the group, quite possibly losing track of important messages forever. Even if you have gnus-auto-select-next set to ask for confirmation, the confirmation key for continuing into the next group is=81\you guessed it=81\`n'. IMO two changes are in order: #1 - change the default for this from `t' to `slightly-quietly' #2 - make the confirmation use `yes-or-no-p' or something other than plain `n' to move onward. No Gnus v0.18 GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0 AppKit 10= 38.36) of 2011-07-31 on vulcan 200 Leafnode NNTP Daemon, version 1.11.8 running at localhost (my fqdn: plu= to.boostpro.com) 500 Unknown command --=20 Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 04 10:33:25 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2011 14:33:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R0DlE-0000Io-Mv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:33:25 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R0DlD-0000Ih-FG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:33:23 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R0Dhd-0007H7-Hw for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:29:41 +0200 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:27:08 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #9399 X-MailScanner-ID: 1R0Dhd-0007H7-Hw X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1315751381.6797@P5BSO2WuyJk4eFZ8mX+yBg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 9399 notabug close 9399 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 04 10:35:10 2011 Received: (at 9399) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2011 14:35:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R0Dmv-0000Lk-OZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:35:10 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R0Dmt-0000LS-8e for 9399@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:35:08 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R0DjI-0007JB-Ud; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:31:24 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#9399: gnus-auto-select-next is dangerous In-Reply-To: (Dave Abrahams's message of "Mon, 29 Aug 2011 00:28:43 -0800") Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:26:59 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUOBw14b2cbFRgzLS6h l4zk4d7////+//4HAQVVTkqQoyGnAAACUklEQVQ4jZWTsW7bMBCGL9LCbKWjBOWmUh6szRZTwNpC +aSUYxrJhh8g8QtU9irUHeitlJyBb1sqDlrEcdD21yCAn+54uvsP1o+nBZvDe7Ve1ZvVar75DV4i 6nX9ra7qxeIYLDaLulpU1fwNKPOqdGR9DEo86PYIrBBp0D+XR+Ahf4nA+VGq6kVvqnr3B98CLpxS K621JkCJ9KACgHMBBBRAE1PayYZbos/DKyCebbVuFA+9vatZbm1KGiOuIO7SUGuthIixBzrSfhvP rkDJxiNaS8smDjClt/DjKxMFDKz7XjeSUiM/oVIkGp1lJL2FIGBca5CuHfLMAVdKXo54AS6vEZog RpSZHkTDRZU5MEEWG6Jd+r3a7qWKrLwsg7AAHwe7jviSIma7a6k8Pnm6m0EBEV74rEvcOUvDoVHe hV/Vg6YAKs2Yjz13HkV6t11G3SivxroAZbckHGmUnDdkly59wfOqJQUwqePMI3hDiCbnuPSNzXM+ KmCotBA0wWw7bckPlJFhB4Az16o+lSbZdEjtGaVVxaau7ckF6CYuA0J+fplQlXCOeefuAM1HumFl MPZgGkk3F8BL4qoKo84K33WGmZAIoTSkmFM6hwA/XkvDnOFazhODFE35hHIOlH24dvF3AQsobW0p kmRw3vqFi5h9VqF/HzlPJFwo6MejvxfQGTWUYXTPeQjguTue5XrlZrCXNlj2LhKcK86hV/HacBl3 xtw867VFM+48vT7h3ZuwOG3qG/hPsBonp/fjQZngeKMO2vxZKXh8R/8M1u+Bv6f6BV8qbKzJigtx AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Genesis's _The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (1)_: "The Chamber Of 32 Doors" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-ID: 1R0DjI-0007JB-Ud X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1315751485.06292@dIT2VelNkjJm6Gk8qOTqwA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9399 Cc: 9399@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Dave Abrahams writes: > On a keyboard with a fast repeat rate, holding down `n' in the summary > buffer is liable to unintentionally mark large numbers of articles read > and then =93commit=94 the changes by exiting the group, quite possibly > losing track of important messages forever. Even if you have > gnus-auto-select-next set to ask for confirmation, the confirmation key > for continuing into the next group is=97you guessed it=97`n'. IMO two > changes are in order: > > #1 - change the default for this from `t' to `slightly-quietly' > > #2 - make the confirmation use `yes-or-no-p' or something other than > plain `n' to move onward. I disagree. If you find yourself doing this a lot, then change the value yourself. And it's seldom catastrophic. `C-_' to undo in the group buffer. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 04 11:09:47 2011 Received: (at 9399) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2011 15:09:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R0EKR-0002UU-Hv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:09:47 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R0EKO-0002UI-MV for 9399@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:09:46 -0400 Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so6355199pzk.20 for <9399@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 08:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.46.41 with SMTP id s9mr488167pbm.297.1315148766504; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 08:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.local (92-52-237-24.gci.net. [24.237.52.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x6sm14932296pba.5.2011.09.04.08.06.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Sep 2011 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id F4062E10F5D; Sun, 4 Sep 2011 07:06:02 -0800 (AKDT) From: Dave Abrahams To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9399: gnus-auto-select-next is dangerous References: Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 07:06:02 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:26:59 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9399 Cc: 9399@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) on Sun Sep 04 2011, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I disagree. If you find yourself doing this a lot, then change the > value yourself. I did. But it took me many accidents and years using Gnus to finally discover the setting. Not because I went looking for it, mind you. It's just a question of how treacherous we want to make the environment for newbies. IMO less would be better, in that department. > And it's seldom catastrophic. `C-_' to undo in the group buffer. What can that do if the articles have already been expired? -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 10 14:46:25 2011 Received: (at 9399) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2011 18:46:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2SZN-0000Ne-Ab for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:46:25 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2SZE-0000LW-1d for 9399@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:46:18 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2SV4-0003Hb-Gs; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:41:58 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#9399: gnus-auto-select-next is dangerous In-Reply-To: (Dave Abrahams's message of "Sun, 04 Sep 2011 07:06:02 -0800") Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:38:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEWYtKYNDhc+XH8UGy4l Nk8KBwsHAgS2QD4iAAACUElEQVQ4jVWTQZrbIAyF+egcoBSTtUs4QBnsWWdA7Z5x5H0W5v5H6BPB 7QyLOOhH0pMEKi3kZ62VUnpWn1cHXn+x+RN47XH6HyxmOj2UkBNcHW80A+QBxtKReVq3Drzy3p/g xXC96TeVaIBBdDHVzuqlg1l50B5Mh2JMFiUpd6CfQPugY5pF8TLOhixb77OKi+/AfwFhVsGL538g P7OnIaGDs4SbDoGeO2hcnubZ98qvlEnKhecScu8FpM9afUskmT2RmuYRifxtBsg9A4B9du/Xrdzw +Rl914RQ9jZc6BVKYyzGSn9IGTmoKZrXmNU1uii960BKD8wuu+oBJsqI5IsyFhP0jn+8OJ4o2SV1 uQLEBYP5yXwv7zn0OkJUJiUBk16Zt4gGSh0hGZWeAPNkrrHWCYFlJgCEJKsTwKbiHhClOADR2u0s H4SA3cj1IcrRJMs1Rd4PY8TuMHNaqKS3Y2/N4FAheFgTAXDaRLtu7g87txnHj2ojPHzI9I5oH/k3 7sqd296OilCIZyB0MV0wP9o+QBeFPGkpJdlYWQALwFoKMrt2h8KUylJikkEJKa0h9Ob6edRazYIm SkVNyAZNxslfFIPkAKvsmnXYLBRWSQIAl7cODLtq5Tb49QSXDiLXymxBrh3Af+8gwZrcUZf5ytyB aSNU3XxET2r8CpwASk78WVUzJLYDr3WS6bFo72AfYL9jsCUKaJ9Ac3vFXQjx6SHNPQFv8ozCKm1U aCS3E3zI5fN6vfCuZAgDXB7f+0vV63F0MOxtf9wzXpYKl+NwfwEfVM0+w/+lhAAAAABJRU5ErkJg gg== X-Now-Playing: Various's _Bustin' Out 1983: New Wave To New Beat Volume 3_: "New Order - Your Silent Face" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R2SV4-0003Hb-Gs X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316284918.60515@XLanji7L6DnMjoAkrqhUnQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9399 Cc: 9399@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Dave Abrahams writes: >> And it's seldom catastrophic. `C-_' to undo in the group buffer. > > What can that do if the articles have already been expired? Not much. But I wouldn't really recommend expiring articles on group exit, anyway. It's kinda slow. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:20:13 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator