From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Arne Babenhauserheide Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Reply-To: arne_bab@web.de Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13141078671613 (code B ref -1); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:58:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2011 13:57:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrU9-0000Pw-5z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:57:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrU5-0000Pm-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:57:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRf-0005ts-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:54951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRf-0005to-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58663) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRc-0003Vg-3q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRY-0005qh-Ub for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:08 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]:55332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRY-0005p5-9U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:04 -0400 Received: from smtp02.web.de ( [172.20.0.184]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341961A901FE8 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [91.89.40.204] (helo=fluss.draketo.de) by smtp02.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #2) id 1QvrRW-000637-00; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:55:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:54:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> From: Arne Babenhauserheide User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?Q?Goj=C5=8D?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: arne_bab@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0cCXPmEgn2UUZmnDT8VIKqHQkphnt8Nug/bPY 5qawOZbuYpOI1V2j+aDPsT4TcFvpSaN9Jd9oFt7VXlVivSTH8o nQZ20Ivgc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! 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If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Dear Emacs Hackers,=20 Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the scree= n sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environments.=20 So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - also = because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical construct,= but an observation.=20 This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple =E2=80= =9Csplit window=E2=80=9D.=20 Concisely: Wish: Menu:=20 =E2=80=A6 Split Window C-x 2 Split Horizontally C-x 3 Best wishes,=20 Arne If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.3/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.5) of 2011-08-14 on fluss Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11002000 configured using `configure '--prefix=3D/usr' '--build=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-g= nu' '--host=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir= =3D/usr/share/info' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc' '--local= statedir=3D/var/lib' '--libdir=3D/usr/lib64' '--program-suffix=3D-emacs-23'= '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-crt-dir=3D/usr/lib/gcc/x86_= 64-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../../lib64' '--with-gameuser=3Dgames' '--witho= ut-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-= dbus' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-ns' '--without-gconf' '--with-to= olkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '-= -with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--with-libotf' '--with-m17n-flt' '--= with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Dx86= _64-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-march=3Damdfam10 -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasin= g' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed' 'CPPFLAGS=3D'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Custom Minor modes in effect: erc-track-mode: t erc-track-minor-mode: t erc-services-mode: t erc-ring-mode: t erc-notify-mode: t erc-networks-mode: t erc-netsplit-mode: t erc-menu-mode: t erc-match-mode: t erc-list-mode: t erc-dcc-mode: t erc-pcomplete-mode: t erc-button-mode: t erc-fill-mode: t erc-stamp-mode: t erc-autojoin-mode: t erc-autoaway-mode: t erc-irccontrols-mode: t erc-noncommands-mode: t erc-keep-place-mode: t erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t erc-readonly-mode: t display-time-mode: t kde-default-keys-minor-mode: t global-ethan-wspace-mode: t real-global-auto-complete-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t auto-complete-mode: t global-rudel-minor-mode: t savehist-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t global-visual-line-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B=20 ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC=20 O B ESC O A ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B=20 ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC=20 O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A=20 ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O B ESC=20 O A ESC O F ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D=20 ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC=20 O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O B ESC O B ESC O F ESC O D=20 RET RET ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O D RET=20 RET ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B=20 ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC=20 O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B=20 ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC=20 O B RET ESC O A ESC O A ESC x r e z DEL y o TAB DEL=20 DEL w DEL p TAB o TAB r TAB RET Recent messages: Creating group... 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mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: arne_bab@web.de Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131411317825181 (code B ref 9350); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2011 15:26:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvsrq-0006Y6-AH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:26:18 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvsrm-0006Xv-AD for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:26:15 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LQE00B0001AFG00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:23:30 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.219.41]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LQE00BD2035DF20@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:23:30 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:23:32 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <837h64i22z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:54:59 +0200 > From: Arne Babenhauserheide > > Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environments. > > So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical construct, but an observation. Any reasons not to show that user how to create a new frame, instead of dividing the existing frame in two? From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: arne_bab@web.de Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131417968828323 (code B ref 9350); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2011 09:54:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QwAAa-0007Mm-Hv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:54:48 -0400 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QwAAZ-0007Mf-1D for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:54:48 -0400 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB036E8081; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C118C451C401; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov Organization: JURTA References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:51:43 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> (Arne Babenhauserheide's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:54:59 +0200") Message-ID: <877h63qgr4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the > screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environme= nts. > > So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - > also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical > construct, but an observation. > > This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple > =E2=80=9Csplit window=E2=80=9D. Maybe "Split Window" should be bound to the command that uses `split-window-sensibly' to determine whether vertical or horizontal splitting is preferable? From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: arne_bab@web.de Subject: bug#9350: closed (Re: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3") Message-ID: References: <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 9350 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:14:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1318857242-31253-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1318857242-31253-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontall= y C-x 3" which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 9350@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 9350: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D9350 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1318857242-31253-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 9350-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2011 13:13:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFn0Y-00087G-0d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:13:34 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFn0U-000870-QM for 9350-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:13:32 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Oct 2011 13:12:33 -0000 Received: from 62-47-35-87.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.35.87]) [62.47.35.87] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 15:12:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19UpcQXVGlUzUn6YEhWhMiVUmcVYpwGRdbkDhdXbE yDr6lBdXhRwEV0 Message-ID: <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:12:27 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9350-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9350-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the > screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming > environments. > > So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - > also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical > construct, but an observation. > > This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple > "split window". I added an entry for C-x 3. Please have a look. martin Note: Adding an entry for `split-window-sensibly' doesn't strike me as a good idea since that function is part of the buffer display routines and constrained by `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'. ------------=_1318857242-31253-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2011 13:57:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrU9-0000Pw-5z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:57:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrU5-0000Pm-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:57:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRf-0005ts-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:54951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRf-0005to-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58663) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRc-0003Vg-3q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRY-0005qh-Ub for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:08 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]:55332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvrRY-0005p5-9U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:04 -0400 Received: from smtp02.web.de ( [172.20.0.184]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341961A901FE8 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [91.89.40.204] (helo=fluss.draketo.de) by smtp02.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #2) id 1QvrRW-000637-00; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:55:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:54:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> From: Arne Babenhauserheide To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: arne_bab@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0cCXPmEgn2UUZmnDT8VIKqHQkphnt8Nug/bPY 5qawOZbuYpOI1V2j+aDPsT4TcFvpSaN9Jd9oFt7VXlVivSTH8o nQZ20Ivgc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: arne_bab@web.de List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! 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If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Dear Emacs Hackers,=20 Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the scree= n sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environments.=20 So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - also = because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical construct,= but an observation.=20 This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple =E2=80= =9Csplit window=E2=80=9D.=20 Concisely: Wish: Menu:=20 =E2=80=A6 Split Window C-x 2 Split Horizontally C-x 3 Best wishes,=20 Arne If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.3/etc/DEBUG. 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mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) ------------=_1318857242-31253-1-- From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: rudalics@gmx.at Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131886570012094 (code B ref 9350); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2011 15:35:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFpDQ-000391-80 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:35:00 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFpDM-00038k-Qp for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:34:58 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkQNAJlKnE5Ld/8E/2dsb2JhbABDmT5Mjl+BBoFuAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA2INrYfiAgEoSeERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,359,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="142422978" Received: from 75-119-255-4.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.255.4]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 17 Oct 2011 11:33:59 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 161B9590F5; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:33:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:33:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:12:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > I added an entry for C-x 3. Please have a look. I like the new wording and the new function, thanks. > Note: Adding an entry for `split-window-sensibly' doesn't strike me as a > good idea since that function is part of the buffer display routines and > constrained by `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'. Agreed. If the user can choose "New window sensibly" he may as well choose "new window below" or "new window on the right" depending on his current preference. Stefan From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.13188777406001 (code B ref 9350); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2011 18:55:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFsLb-0001Yi-KN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:55:40 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFsLX-0001YU-Ch for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:55:37 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Oct 2011 18:54:36 -0000 Received: from 62-47-35-250.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.35.250]) [62.47.35.250] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2011 20:54:36 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19r6epku6trrfJXWEFNRbZ8AZf9UZ2z+6LENkB1Nk cStH6/o05Tpu8b Message-ID: <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:54:29 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in the new window. Presumably, more than 90% of all calls of `split-window' are made to display another buffer in the new window, so doing a `set-window-buffer' with the old window's buffer doesn't strike me as very reasonable. Alternatively, we could try to show the current buffer in the new window as `make-frame' does but I'm not very fond of such a solution and it certainly would break things in a number of cases. martin From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131888117810997 (code B ref 9350); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2011 19:52:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFtF3-0002rH-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:52:58 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFtF0-0002r3-BF for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:52:55 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGaGnE5MCqLO/2dsb2JhbABDqFGBBoFuAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kLodkt2CICAShJYRF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,360,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="142487605" Received: from 76-10-162-206.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.162.206]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 17 Oct 2011 15:51:51 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 84672590F5; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:51:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:54:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or > `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in > the new window. But then the name doesn't make it clear that you're splitting an existing window. I.e. it's moving towards display-buffer. > Presumably, more than 90% of all calls of `split-window' are made to > display another buffer in the new window, so doing > a `set-window-buffer' with the old window's buffer doesn't strike me > as very reasonable. Agreed. Adding a fourth argument to split-window doesn't sound like a bad solution. Stefan PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one. This was fine back when windows had very little state of their own, but now it is important when it matters because of window-parameters, window-dedicated-p, ... So if we want to improve split-window, I think we should consider this issue as well. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131918960726445 (code B ref 9350); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2011 09:33:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHBTh-0006sT-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:33:26 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHBTe-0006sG-MO for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:33:23 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Oct 2011 09:32:03 -0000 Received: from 62-47-53-212.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.53.212]) [62.47.53.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 11:32:03 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19onGBKTpVofA+p3Wjf5lZYcB+0CfZk1psKX0vyGF 32kQSUDs4Gt9F3 Message-ID: <4EA13C0C.2090202@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:31:56 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >> I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or >> `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in >> the new window. > > But then the name doesn't make it clear that you're splitting an > existing window. I.e. it's moving towards display-buffer. It would become more like `make-frame'. But I'm not sure whether we want or need that "splitting" connotation at all. Most callers care about one thing only: Get a new window to peruse. > PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it > doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one. The new one is that returned by `split-window', as before. > This was fine back when windows had very little state of their own, but > now it is important when it matters because of window-parameters, > window-dedicated-p, ... > So if we want to improve split-window, I think we should consider this > issue as well. Do you mean you need the identity of the new window when `split-window' is called indirectly by another function? Maybe you could provide a use case? martin From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131920429421577 (code B ref 9350); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2011 13:38:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHFIa-0005bv-GI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:38:14 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHFIQ-0005bL-V8 for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:38:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAJ50oU5MCqLO/2dsb2JhbAA6CakbgQaBbgEBBAFWIxALNBIUGA0kiBO0DYUSgy4EoTKERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,385,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="143543664" Received: from 76-10-162-206.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.162.206]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 21 Oct 2011 09:36:42 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 96B61591FC; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> <4EA13C0C.2090202@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:36:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4EA13C0C.2090202@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:31:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it >> doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one. > The new one is that returned by `split-window', as before. No, that's not the issue. It's not about "which window (the selected-window or the returned window) is the new one" it's "which window (the top one or the bottom one)". And the issue is not "tell me which it is" but "I want to control which one it should be". >> This was fine back when windows had very little state of their own, but >> now it is important when it matters because of window-parameters, >> window-dedicated-p, ... >> So if we want to improve split-window, I think we should consider this >> issue as well. > Do you mean you need the identity of the new window when `split-window' > is called indirectly by another function? Maybe you could provide a use > case? No, here's the scenario: you have a dedicated window, and you want to create a new window above that one: split-window won't work because it will always create the new window below. Stefan From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131920485322364 (code B ref 9350); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2011 13:47:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHFRd-0005oe-2p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:47:33 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHFRa-0005oP-Bs for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:47:31 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Oct 2011 13:46:09 -0000 Received: from 62-47-42-120.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.42.120]) [62.47.42.120] by mail.gmx.net (mp068) with SMTP; 21 Oct 2011 15:46:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+kvJ9LtPikvIxvgYUqG3MxA78Rb2h6IWCxqes4wq 9fgKNJY3PhjdJj Message-ID: <4EA177A0.2060003@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:46:08 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> <4EA13C0C.2090202@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >>> PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it >>> doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one. >> The new one is that returned by `split-window', as before. > > No, that's not the issue. It's not about "which window (the > selected-window or the returned window) is the new one" it's "which > window (the top one or the bottom one)". > > And the issue is not "tell me which it is" but "I want to control which > one it should be". Sorry. I'm missing you here. > No, here's the scenario: you have a dedicated window, and you want to > create a new window above that one: split-window won't work because it > will always create the new window below. Do you mean that (let (new) (set-window-dedicated-p (selected-window) t) (setq new (split-window nil nil 'above)) (set-window-buffer new "*Messages*")) doesn't do that? martin From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131920684525942 (code B ref 9350); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2011 14:20:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHFxl-0006kN-AT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:20:45 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHFxi-0006kA-IP for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:20:44 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EACh/oU5MCqLO/2dsb2JhbABDqRuBBoFuAQEFViMQCzQSFBgNJLw5iEAEoTKERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,385,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="143553437" Received: from 76-10-162-206.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.162.206]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 21 Oct 2011 10:19:21 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A78AD591FC; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:19:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> <4EA13C0C.2090202@gmx.at> <4EA177A0.2060003@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:19:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4EA177A0.2060003@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:46:08 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > (setq new (split-window nil nil 'above)) Ah, I see you fixed the problem in your new code by extending the meaning of the third argument. Great, thanks, Stefan From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131937670524738 (code B ref 9350); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2011 13:31:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHy9Q-0006Qw-II for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:31:45 -0400 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RHy9K-0006Qj-UH for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:31:41 -0400 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EB06E8063; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38202451C375; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov Organization: JURTA References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:29:04 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:54:29 +0200") Message-ID: <87d3dn7t7j.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) > I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or > `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in > the new window. Isn't this semantically equivalent to `switch-to-buffer-other-window'? And since this bug report is about menu items, another question: after shifting the emphasis from windows/frames to just places where to display buffers, wouldn't it make more sense to move window/frame related menu items from the "File" menu to the "Buffers" menu? This will also balance these menus where the "File" menu is currently overpopulated, and the size of the "Buffers" menu is limited anyway (later it could be organized into submenus grouped by modes etc.) From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131939648221469 (code B ref 9350); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2011 19:01:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RI3IQ-0005aE-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:01:22 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RI3IM-0005Zz-Ek for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:01:20 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Oct 2011 18:59:45 -0000 Received: from 62-47-56-109.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.56.109]) [62.47.56.109] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 23 Oct 2011 20:59:45 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/knmFQNC/kXre13ZBpF2RmB5YxGWBtF8VZdDgXRg OwnDpv3fyIzjre Message-ID: <4EA46420.2040603@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:59:44 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> <87d3dn7t7j.fsf@mail.jurta.org> In-Reply-To: <87d3dn7t7j.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >> I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or >> `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in >> the new window. > > Isn't this semantically equivalent to `switch-to-buffer-other-window'? No. `split-window' is low-level. But you're right in the sense that calls to it should be replaced by `switch-to-buffer' wherever possible. > And since this bug report is about menu items, another question: > after shifting the emphasis from windows/frames to just places where > to display buffers, wouldn't it make more sense to move window/frame > related menu items from the "File" menu to the "Buffers" menu? Conceptually yes. IIRC some of the buffer switching functions were in files.el only until recently. So the presence of window handling function in the File menu is probably historically motivated. But menus are (also) for people who might not even know what buffers, windows or frames are. Most of them know what files are. > This will also balance these menus where the "File" menu is > currently overpopulated, and the size of the "Buffers" menu > is limited anyway (later it could be organized into submenus > grouped by modes etc.) Doesn't the buffer menu get crowded when there are lots of live buffers? I can't tell because I have (global-set-key [menu-bar buffer] nil) in my .emacs for years. martin From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:03:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3" Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9350 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 9350@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 9350-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9350.131943395814372 (code B ref 9350); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 9350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2011 05:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RID2s-0003jk-0Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:25:58 -0400 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RID2k-0003jS-BQ for 9350@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:25:50 -0400 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4F26E8061; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6333E451C375; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov Organization: JURTA References: <87wre4z0zw.wl%arne_bab@web.de> <4E9C29BB.4020804@gmx.at> <4E9C79E5.9010901@gmx.at> <87d3dn7t7j.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4EA46420.2040603@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:19:19 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4EA46420.2040603@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:59:44 +0200") Message-ID: <87y5wbc6ww.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) > Doesn't the buffer menu get crowded when there are lots of live buffers? It's limited to 10 most recently selected buffers, where 10 is the default value of `buffers-menu-max-size'.