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24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer

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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:38:35 -0700

emacs -Q
 
M-x apropos-variable RET frame-alist RET
 
Click one of the variable names. You see the help for that variable, and
this message appears:
 
"Type M-x switch-to-prev-buffer RET to restore previous buffer, C-M-v to
scroll help"
 
In Emacs 23 you correctly see this message instead:
 
"Type C-x 4 C-o RET to restore the other window, C-M-v to scroll help."
 

In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2011-08-15 on 3249CTO
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt'
 

Message #10 received at 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Subject: Re: bug#9341: 24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:45:06 +0200

> emacs -Q
>
> M-x apropos-variable RET frame-alist RET
>
> Click one of the variable names. You see the help for that variable, and
> this message appears:
>
> "Type M-x switch-to-prev-buffer RET to restore previous buffer, C-M-v to
> scroll help"

I now say "Type q in other window to quit".

> In Emacs 23 you correctly see this message instead:
>
> "Type C-x 4 C-o RET to restore the other window, C-M-v to scroll help."

This happens to be correct in the case at hand but is not necessarily
correct when another buffer was displayed in that window before.

Thanks, martin

Message #11 received at 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'martin rudalics'" <rudalics <at> gmx.at>, <9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#9341: 24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:09:08 -0700

> I now say "Type q in other window to quit".

Not too clear: quit what?

Not too helpful: the user needs to move to the other window first? I don't
recall ever seeing a message where we suggested that users perform a series of
actions like that: move to the other window (which one, BTW), and then hit `q'.

>  > In Emacs 23 you correctly see this message instead:
>  >
>  > "Type C-x 4 C-o RET to restore the other window, C-M-v to 
> scroll help."
> 
> This happens to be correct in the case at hand but is not necessarily
> correct when another buffer was displayed in that window before.

Whatever message we show should at least not be incorrect.  Whether it is
helpful or not is probably secondary to that.  A message that is helpful in most
of the typical contexts is perhaps better than no message, even if it is
unhelpful some of the time - as long as it is not too incorrect.

But I don't have a good suggestion.  I leave it to your judgment.

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From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#9341: 24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:33:13 +0200

>> I now say "Type q in other window to quit".
>
> Not too clear: quit what?
>
> Not too helpful: the user needs to move to the other window first? I don't
> recall ever seeing a message where we suggested that users perform a series of
> actions like that: move to the other window (which one, BTW), and then hit `q'.

"Type C-x 4 q to quit the help window"?

martin

Message #13 received at 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'martin rudalics'" <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
Cc: 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#9341: 24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:38:54 -0700

> "Type C-x 4 q to quit the help window"?

Yes, that works.  Thanks.

Message #14 received at 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 9341-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#9341: 24.0.50; Bad return message from apropos buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:02:32 +0200

>> "Type C-x 4 q to quit the help window"?
>
> Yes, that works.

But for one minor detail: C-x 4 q is yet undefined.

martin

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