From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: jmfranc@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (Jean-Marc Fran=e7ois) Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:54:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131259558624143 (code B ref -1); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:54:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2011 01:53:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QpW4X-0006HG-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:53:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QouGR-0006gg-61 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:30:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QouFn-0004EB-02 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:30:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FH_FROMEML_NOTLD, FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1,HELO_NO_DOMAIN,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM,RDNS_NONE, TO_NO_BRKTS_NORDNS autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:34651) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QouFm-0004E7-Up for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:30:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52487) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QouFl-00009W-RU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:30:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QouFk-0004DH-Kv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:30:09 -0400 Received: from [213.251.66.139] (port=4639 helo=jmfranc-laptop) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QouFk-0004CT-DK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:30:08 -0400 Received: by jmfranc-laptop (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 52AA9540099; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:53:29 +0200 (CEST) From: jmfranc@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (Jean-Marc Fran=e7ois) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:53:29 +0200 Message-ID: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:53:02 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) When starting emacs with a filename as a command line parameter, the "Welcome to GNU Emacs" screen is displayed along the buffer that displays the content of the said file. I guess you consider it a "feature", but please be aware that I find it very annoying. Is it wise to set this as the default? Best, JM In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4) of 2011-04-04 on rothera, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11001000 configured using `configure '--build' 'i686-linux-gnu' '--build' 'i686-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.2/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i686-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-h M-x r e p o r t Recent messages: Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictionaries-common.el (source)... Loading debian-ispell... Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-default.el (source)...done Loading debian-ispell...done Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)...done Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictionaries-common.el (source)...done Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50psvn.el (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Loading vc-svn...done Making completion list... Load-path shadows: /usr/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp/debian-startup hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/debian-startup /usr/share/emacs23/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/flyspell hides /usr/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/textmodes/flyspell /usr/share/emacs23/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/ispell hides /usr/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/textmodes/ispell Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail regexp-opt ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug help-mode easymenu view vc-dispatcher vc-svn server tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind system-font-setting font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: David De La Harpe Golden Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.131264714617606 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2011 16:12:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QpjUA-0004Zv-2v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:12:26 -0400 Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QpjU8-0004Zo-B4 for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:12:24 -0400 Received: from [87.198.47.39] (87-198-47-39.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.47.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDF8B68474 for <9248@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:11:31 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <4E3D67B2.4060907@harpegolden.net> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:11:30 +0100 From: David De La Harpe Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110626 Icedove/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> In-Reply-To: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) > When starting emacs with a filename as a command line parameter, the > "Welcome to GNU Emacs" screen is displayed along the buffer that > displays the content of the said file. I guess you consider it a > "feature", but please be aware that I find it very annoying. You can turn it off. The option to hide the startup screen permanently is actually presented on the startup screen, just sets the customization inhibit-startup-screen, or you can use M-x customize-variable inhibit-startup-screen directly. > Is it wise to set this as the default? Not something I tend to use, but it's not much different to the getting started tips a bunch of other gui applications pop up by default, shrug. From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Vijay Lakshminarayanan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:57:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.131264980621608 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:57:03 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2011 16:56:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QpkB3-0005cS-PO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:56:46 -0400 Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QpiaF-0003Gq-NE for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:14:40 -0400 Received: by yxp4 with SMTP id 4so2080782yxp.3 for <9248@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Z4msC/ZP7SEygx5OnmQl7e+X8ACMaaCzfuaZz3tmtSg=; b=RE2f6LeyKNAyaPVtNPrKsVW2KkfHCneijB9TwAz6qyNi8MItAfthinJhDa1kMaZ0jP heV+ZAI1zceN2FLIUloBC/Tt06bFnxu2jjsXqoasRjfZW04Mbft9euu2Jk/OIFQfVi3E jl5KGbPm2HWXWKKnWxFvd7nqSIGRSxuawYqao= Received: by 10.143.14.19 with SMTP id r19mr3311736wfi.82.1312643627459; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BALROG ([59.92.42.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m7sm4245241pbk.70.2011.08.06.08.13.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 08:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Vijay Lakshminarayanan References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:43:37 +0530 In-Reply-To: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Jean-Marc Fran's message of "Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:53:29 +0200") Message-ID: <87bow24lpa.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:56:35 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) jmfranc@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (Jean-Marc Fran=e7ois) writes: > When starting emacs with a filename as a command line parameter, the > "Welcome to GNU Emacs" screen is displayed along the buffer that > displays the content of the said file. I guess you consider it a > "feature", but please be aware that I find it very annoying. Is it wise > to set this as the default? > > Best, > JM > [snip] FWIW, I agree that this is a bug. I don't encounter the OP's scenario often (emacsclient FTW) but the times I do, the welcome screen is extremely annoying. (Typically I encounter said scenario when I need to sudo edit some file and obviously emacs is the only choice.) -- Cheers ~vijay Gnus should be more complicated. From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen In-Reply-To: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Resent-From: Antoine Levitt Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13126524482541 (code B ref -1); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:41:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2011 17:40:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkrg-0000ew-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:40:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkrd-0000eo-Mu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:40:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkqm-0005wF-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:39:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:52748) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkqm-0005wB-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:39:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59527) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkql-0000in-QY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:39:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkqk-0005vy-TG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:39:51 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53744) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkqk-0005vu-Jp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:39:50 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpkqj-0000r9-K3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:39:49 +0200 Received: from cab14-1-88-177-9-245.fbx.proxad.net ([88.177.9.245]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:39:49 +0200 Received: from antoine.levitt by cab14-1-88-177-9-245.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:39:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Antoine Levitt Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:39:33 +0200 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <877h6qe8x6.fsf@gmail.com> References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87bow24lpa.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cab14-1-88-177-9-245.fbx.proxad.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) 06/08/11 17:13, Vijay Lakshminarayanan > jmfranc@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me > (Jean-Marc Fran=e7ois) writes: > >> When starting emacs with a filename as a command line parameter, the >> "Welcome to GNU Emacs" screen is displayed along the buffer that >> displays the content of the said file. I guess you consider it a >> "feature", but please be aware that I find it very annoying. Is it wise >> to set this as the default? >> >> Best, >> JM >> > > [snip] > > FWIW, I agree that this is a bug. I don't encounter the OP's scenario > often (emacsclient FTW) but the times I do, the welcome screen is > extremely annoying. (Typically I encounter said scenario when I need to > sudo edit some file and obviously emacs is the only choice.) I also agree. The splash screen itself is fine (can be quite easily disabled, with pointers on how to it), but it makes less sense to display it when emacs is invoked with a filename (or maybe display it only the first time, or add a very visible direct link to disable it, or something). FWIW, what I do find incredibly obnoxious and patronizing are the safeguards around inhibit-startup-screen and inhibit-startup-echo-area-message. Trying to forbid system administrators to inhibit the splash screen in such a petty way is just wrong. Another grip I have with the splash screen is the "one component of the GNU/Linux operating system." being displayed on linux boxes, and "one component of the GNU operating system." on other OSes. This is wrong on many levels, but there's no use talking about it so I'll just shut up and stop ranting now. From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 23:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157930463516890 (code B ref 9248); Fri, 17 Jan 2020 23:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2020 23:43:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40277 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isbHP-0004OM-4A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:43:55 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:51120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isbHM-0004O8-GR for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:43:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PAuwFOMAYu7uZ5kqzE40WFcit8nFfBo5v1Niz1j8g74=; b=BNLy+zM+RE4qbjrts6/8rLMPOK bzKbrTjBq9Q7xiY9zKeK/GmdRJFCIKTuox1Qf/q/LsqfOnQuaPakNCVZnS2MX6CY/obdbZS7hsT21 mhs3i+eh0xbde7oP7mxriVXIlVfH05UY9gPzzwB7ixQxyPCCsY/7/l2mjGI5lYVDSeDOL83WbIWWs PMM2ABR/JSwy8++E7ag12UAc56oF0caC0AtbEVbFQmerseqseUGyOmYwuXKTpubL6WPQfHJGiHf9G yJ3lpzsszTLb68HmoDyFOd4I/fnxfytTbxks5xxNmaYI/Itwb9SEIaiJ1eIrI/3nG4XPxzssrDoqR ppJxuZ5w==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:49588 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1isbHG-001n0f-Au for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:43:46 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Jean-Marc Fran's message of "Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:53:29 +0200") References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 00:43:44 +0100 Message-ID: <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) jmfranc@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (Jean-Marc Fran=e7ois) writes: > When starting emacs with a filename as a command line parameter, the > "Welcome to GNU Emacs" screen is displayed along the buffer that > displays the content of the said file. I guess you consider it a > "feature", but please be aware that I find it very annoying. Is it wise > to set this as the default? When I run "emacs -Q foobar", it only shows the contents on foobar, and not the splash screen. I do get a message saying "For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a." So I guess this behaviour has been changed? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157931848729515 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2020 03:34:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40367 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isesp-0007fz-5U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:34:47 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f174.google.com ([209.85.160.174]:35427) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isesl-0007fk-VH for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:34:45 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f174.google.com with SMTP id e12so23442065qto.2 for <9248@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:34:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=PLEi44jVep7RudVC+zm5LclnyXh7X934ZOZ9hkh23ew=; b=d9howvHO7jpPQgkK9UItRstfYIFCwp+USTJ5h2y4EdAoPoZ6ciDSYdRhJXbliY/5Ny j3IhOdT09i7HhJpqHAohfZyF8zCr8HpVaZ/uZ/0+TzVH5MNOGQeQ1QL84+pzjjSagrIj vfqT2XN5WavSwMA1pYrZjUct9R9v9bsJcmUUG8drz1R9egOAgji9edrkLBM5bzKxF4Ze f+jgNsopZsCYxEtRrNN8LmkrVZTAS5f6J6Dd+2m4L1/sGOmXDefKH+vce/P3I8HIXYg0 Qyg3tLbdca8sVW5VJXfSRdVFc8zDt8KFQF2W52ZxevFkhBCDsaXs5i76zJbQWsjBRc6n quzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=PLEi44jVep7RudVC+zm5LclnyXh7X934ZOZ9hkh23ew=; b=i9XAHTQBjGVh5WyTcKneZWtkcvzyW3m5Q882aiRRjKYeBQXFSf9+jDHEhjmUkZudtD +ikFw/P0aJ4C8iSYP3jAgYWSjzKmXh3C9NKoP52AdBlHfCCbm9djh0VpR4yt26CEHcjB xee0dFrZdLkyFQZOfXiNSO1OruwP3jwv0Lk8E1OXY8F41c5byMl8vOCKHG9dRJ8r/NvH /aJL37kD+uB5KqSVwOflz4V5pEUAyzx3mGbSo9axgDtnm6qZwUsdWNsN+u5PRz6dz/bb 8VMv9uI2JHlIiXbN+ySLwJtF1tHdjJd317RfYF7TcSa9Cf8RgzbKyPsuOLH1Nnjne+GL XdyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUUEbpNP/rJtHTi4EINfdBse5CSFoymZZwSNXCQZD9VbOvMx3mu cR+xvha6TdwO/xqiZU5GJUgHsiRu X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyBH3ax2+nM6OTpYdglmIsMc4ykkQWd3+tJNpXE8L1smWyTFjOFNrHUEB0nUQpCyDIECqfctg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:747:: with SMTP id k7mr10872817qth.120.1579318477865; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from minid (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q25sm13003820qkq.88.2020.01.17.19.34.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:34:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 18 Jan 2020 00:43:44 +0100") Message-ID: <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > jmfranc@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me > (Jean-Marc Fran=e7ois) writes: > >> When starting emacs with a filename as a command line parameter, the >> "Welcome to GNU Emacs" screen is displayed along the buffer that >> displays the content of the said file. I guess you consider it a >> "feature", but please be aware that I find it very annoying. Is it wise >> to set this as the default? > > When I run "emacs -Q foobar", it only shows the contents on foobar, > and not the splash screen. -Q skips the splash screen, try -q instead. From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.15793410176903 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2020 09:50:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iskkC-0001nG-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:50:16 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:35830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iskk9-0001mz-Ql for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:50:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xJ5mqIQkRmcI1svv5pRJyuaXlhVqZ80t8QkipTtOaVw=; b=PWCAHNePPeg55UBTiKmwRDaaSV Cotf/jaM/ide7kf3wldJGRDif52JmHLOsr+WM4FUY27iNHVIYa9ODBP+jl2hdVwxdvQV9wcT73G5N /+AvxuqS9EXyc5jyQw0ygF3ulKS6/NVfmyJu+FH5gu+a4okCw6Zewu0UmgkX4KjjbESTT7sIfn/cU aBQdAf1XI+VD9smjPHCHkO/K0Gglx90T+R7cgF4oK/0cJv0KmF8PY3oKOhp3ixJXK1a0EsTVnQwSK khspqzatJ/MOQYfaPq4D6Ya10oKajBZG10rd1hC869B8xYw+AKyHEtQjkAlSG4sjubnd4w95YIDAr Ur1iOkDg==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:56118 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iskk3-001r0t-Of; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:50:08 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:34:36 -0500") References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Noam Postavsky writes: >> When I run "emacs -Q foobar", it only shows the contents on foobar, >> and not the splash screen. > > -Q skips the splash screen, try -q instead. Right, there it is. I agree that this should be changed. I expect a splash screen to be shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular file. IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no reason why Emacs should be different. There is very important political information on that screen about user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software also by providing the best possible user experience. Of course, this is easy to configure if you know what you're doing. However, I think it gets to be an annoyance for beginning users well before they even figure out how to do that. --- Here's one data point: I remember being frustrated by this when I first started using Emacs 15+ years ago. It took me some time to figure out that you could turn it off. Weeks? Months? No idea. Long enough that I still remember it now. Even after you start customizing Emacs, this is not necessarily the first thing you think about configuring. At least it wasn't for me. 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Welcome screen Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157936561629650 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2020 16:40:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isr8x-0007i9-Sy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:40:16 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:40550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isr8w-0007ht-3S for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:40:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=093wa+OZAUcC2tAVGk1fG3kAUUPds4niRugmke/kPR4=; b=XMMrZWEMEj8sy2rlyGrK6d+JNo 5LPLVZuVIFLDH3aEI0Ihs7pUwvXxTxS4k4PXMvBgLJgYS23syK0ddR48UMBl9ElzXHQ6PEWJcjEoR EKVJvengrEfHYk/rwKKsUdhZktTgr5Y93UNVLyEsogD63lRfjrmcCqp+zz/NmyQ3GSasdgHkmskYA 6WsUODxUnn7zyAs4uw2Vp+so7a89PsZANDuGEzKkaBgPV/ZyIsIhvRnicYzk3Bimg/sHfRLGTUbue T6d+wWgVGksfxUXaP6PWL2r5BaO6V4F2NcGb+jKZhWMIl7ci9AbfjU6iwP9jCj2DmyLI+BgzSmt45 wmBHpnUg==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:33456 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1isr8p-001KyS-4g; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:40:07 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:50:05 +0100") References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:40:04 +0100 Message-ID: <87lfq4wwez.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > I agree that this should be changed. I expect a splash screen to be > shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular > file. IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no reason > why Emacs should be different. Catching up on emacs-devel, there is a thread on this particular issue... where Stefan Monnier points to the "Dismiss this startup screen" button. That button quits the window and customizes inhibit-startup-window to t. This code seems to have been introduced in 2007 by Chong Yidong (commit 22a58255). Of course, I have never seen that button over the years. I find that your brain learns to filter out splash screens completely after a while, which incidentally makes displaying them more often counter-productive. So, I don't think this changes my previous argument, but it does make any need to change it less pressing. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Corwin Brust Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas , 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157937753016695 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2020 19:58:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42250 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isuF7-0004LC-OX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:58:50 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com ([209.85.208.47]:43942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isu1C-00040Q-Pg for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:44:27 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id dc19so25692649edb.10 for <9248@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=f6gOsOKF5qtLB2rjb6ZTFJOuCRCOfjrY050k7K6xYSA=; b=cMSluyqhULWFEnl2PXmJDBWryGbcZ1BhUq+hauDb1I9sWBNqOmns0QEFPdctPIXOqW M9/EvIfhu6HhL0osUmfQjrriXstvoI3q0jAyB47HSQvC/E8NxaBVWjfA6xboQWncy7w7 Sn4cLV3t7yYs5L+dBC6re0ytjVZrCl/ggv2BlV7mF2hBMA9NIe4+cfmqGrj3sduqDGXA l2M8irRjyMASjVpPwzKYUB3FGjaJup4+HjRaXwEOIuA8DMLm33BMwhney2pS+J5GecZT K6TrhI8zsrdya35HQPkhzWYqvD0t1mw5H9yzz+4r45nNJSxN75TypR0wMIcVIjdbNiOl LdBA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVBnDNA/fc1Wwp1Vwjd8vE09IMzqOgQrFidJ2vHqwoXh5Lxj0NZ qNzIFNabWKwsemVJanB3P5y80HIG+N8ekltM8Cg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzrym0/3fy9b2as8MnHtmKnp5RdNDOj/QoEXtWDYW4p+0BL8AAmhFz+RL94BUOKWqEP/Yt/p49N+GkwhWvnwhA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:170d:: with SMTP id y13mr10374631edu.126.1579376660941; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:44:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> <87lfq4wwez.fsf@marxist.se> In-Reply-To: From: Corwin Brust Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 13:44:10 -0600 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d79068059c6f4842" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:58:48 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --000000000000d79068059c6f4842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Resending but to the whole list. Oops. TL;DR: I think finding the simple button to disable splash-screen isn't so easy. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:42 PM Corwin Brust wrote: > > Hi! > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:41 AM Stefan Kangas wrote: > >> Stefan Kangas writes: >> >> > I agree that this should be changed. I expect a splash screen to be >> > shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular >> > file. IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no reason >> > why Emacs should be different. >> >> Catching up on emacs-devel, there is a thread on this particular >> issue... where Stefan Monnier points to the "Dismiss this startup >> screen" button. That button quits the window and customizes >> inhibit-startup-window to t. This code seems to have been introduced >> in 2007 by Chong Yidong (commit 22a58255). >> >> Of course, I have never seen that button over the years. I find that >> your brain learns to filter out splash screens completely after a >> while, which incidentally makes displaying them more often >> counter-productive. >> > > I wonder if the reason neither you or nor I had seen this button is that > Emacs doesn't usually show it to us. I'm looking at 1843 of ~startup.el~. > I think the button to quickly disable splash only displays when concise is > t as per: > > 1813: (fancy-startup-screen &optional concise) > ... > Whereas within fancy-startup-tail we do this: > > 1771: (when concise > (fancy-splash-insert > :face 'variable-pitch "\n" > :link `("Dismiss this startup screen" > ,(lambda (_button) > (when startup-screen-inhibit-startup-screen > (customize-set-variable 'inhibit-startup-screen t) > (customize-mark-to-save 'inhibit-startup-screen) > (custom-save-all)) > (let ((w (get-buffer-window "*GNU Emacs*"))) > (and w (not (one-window-p)) (delete-window w))) > (kill-buffer "*GNU Emacs*"))) > " ") > > Meanwhile, this is called from `command-line-1' which starts around line > 2233. > > It creates CONCISE based on the number of open buffers when called, e.g. 0 > (zero) --so not-concise-- when starting Emacs. So no button for > `inhibit-startup-screen' unless we open the spash screen "manually" one way > or another. > > Maybe just always show the "inhibit splash" button? Maybe this logic to > display or not this button should be inverted? Is it more likely I want to > disable splash when I'm looking a fresh emacs or because I've called for > the spash explicitly (maybe just to get at this button)? > > So, I don't think this changes my previous argument, but it does make >> any need to change it less pressing. >> > > I can also add that I've been using Emacs for 10+ years and found (setq > inhibit-splash-screen t) for my init pleasure only a few months ago. So > I'm all good now ;) > > Regards, > > -- > *Corwin* > *corwin@bru.st * > -- *Corwin* 612-217-1742 612-298-0615 (fax) 612-695-4276 (mobile) *corwin.brust (skype)corwin@bru.st * --000000000000d79068059c6f4842 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Resending but to the whole list.=C2=A0 Oops.

TL;DR:=C2=A0 I think finding the simple button to disa= ble splash-screen isn't so easy.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:42 = PM Corwin Brust <corwin@bru.st> = wrote:

Hi!

On Sat, Jan 18, = 2020 at 10:41 AM Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> wrote:
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> I agree that this should be changed.=C2=A0 I expect a splash screen to= be
> shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular
> file.=C2=A0 IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no r= eason
> why Emacs should be different.

Catching up on emacs-devel, there is a thread on this particular
issue... where Stefan Monnier points to the "Dismiss this startup
screen" button.=C2=A0 That button quits the window and customizes
inhibit-startup-window to t.=C2=A0 This code seems to have been introduced<= br> in 2007 by Chong Yidong (commit 22a58255).

Of course, I have never seen that button over the years.=C2=A0 I find that<= br> your brain learns to filter out splash screens completely after a
while, which incidentally makes displaying them more often
counter-productive.

I wonder if the rea= son neither you or nor I had seen this button is that Emacs doesn't usu= ally show it to us. I'm looking at 1843 of ~startup.el~.=C2=A0 I think = the button to quickly disable splash only displays when concise is t as per= :

1813:=C2=A0 (fancy-startup-screen &optio= nal concise)
...
Whereas within fancy-startup-tail we d= o this:

1771:=C2=A0 (when concise
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 (fancy-splash-insert
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:face 'variable-pitc= h "\n"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:link `("Dismiss this startup = screen"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ,(lambda (_button)
(when startup-scree= n-inhibit-startup-screen
=C2=A0(customize-set-variable 'inhibit-s= tartup-screen t)
=C2=A0(customize-mark-to-save 'inhibit-startup-s= creen)
=C2=A0(custom-save-all))
(let ((w (get-buffer-window &quo= t;*GNU Emacs*")))
=C2=A0(and w (not (one-window-p)) (delete-wind= ow w)))
(kill-buffer "*GNU Emacs*")))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0" =C2=A0")
=C2=A0
Me= anwhile, this is called from `command-line-1' which starts around line = 2233.

It creates CONCISE based on the number of op= en buffers when called, e.g. 0 (zero) --so not-concise-- when starting Emac= s.=C2=A0 So no button for `inhibit-startup-screen' unless we open the s= pash screen "manually" one way or another.

Maybe just always show the "inhibit splash" button?=C2=A0 Mayb= e this logic to display or not this button should be inverted?=C2=A0 Is it = more likely I want to disable splash when I'm looking a fresh emacs or = because I've called for the spash explicitly (maybe just to get at this= button)?

So, I don't think this changes my previous argument, but it does m= ake
any need to change it less pressing.
=C2=A0
I can also add that I've been using Emacs for 10+ years and found = (setq inhibit-splash-screen t) for my init pleasure only a few months ago.= =C2=A0 So I'm all good now ;)

Regards,

--
=


--
= Corwin
612-217-1742
612-298-0615 (fax)
6= 12-695-4276 (mobile)
corwin.brust (skype)
<= div>corwin@bru.st
--000000000000d79068059c6f4842-- From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Corwin Brust Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas , 9248@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157937753116702 (code B ref 9248); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2020 19:58:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42252 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isuF8-0004LF-9P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:58:50 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f45.google.com ([209.85.208.45]:44279) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isu6S-00048E-Il for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:49:53 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f45.google.com with SMTP id bx28so25683497edb.11 for <9248@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:49:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=VU7HuQVuqNAkZ3OzwpX8yASerpUbMqskl5zqD34Mtdg=; b=ij45o/V5XjcJgmhddoAMFxPG1C1oshQz/NW1AgiU4HVjRdLgQaVHtwA1ARv4TD+t6H AV9IJjE0TRk9yBku11HJNvCBdAzmEDr09PV0QSRXekm+EWJ+Ayb1F+7hpxUC3oI8+h0B wqn+SmPDcMsdn9o+nmn3IyeK8QDXxYWOPgLKURSuv1Y8WWGLkD/4e+j8sg5r7disU0c1 7LfXHzU3XovniI9j9Oi+7PynhTLFCI3uhpRatrwMxk4eaMJzADKErAdSe78HAM180hUX srrBREs4RMyFtAQJbTVLNIz3uwtGZ+2fLgKQAW0brtYLJuXmanuRPnhYCDw3xQmjDX7e /vrg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWydrdrHzMWigub0LBDjTgk0SyO3WKySMBBeVE4SGAVNHUDRWyb ooKGhbj25zZkDSEdaKDGanEXZm4f94nP4siqqtvy00npGk4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw8aoz7gpYAItWIqNSDVmi7rjfSmDglcA6kRpUo+NJ/L1a6cmGWPPjjpTQLOSFCFyJQBGU6zVHiAr7nMebnLK0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:7806:: with SMTP id u6mr13872177ejm.200.1579376986493; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:49:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> <87lfq4wwez.fsf@marxist.se> In-Reply-To: From: Corwin Brust Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 13:49:35 -0600 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003f1adf059c6f5cbb" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:58:48 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000003f1adf059c6f5cbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sorry again for my clumsiness with emails. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:44 PM Corwin Brust wrote: > Resending but to the whole list. Oops. > > TL;DR: I think finding the simple button to disable splash-screen isn't > so easy. > I forgot to call-out my Emacs RE source code line number relevance: I'm using GNU 26.3 on Win 32. Only patch is to ERC around nick matching syntax tables. That said, please do see detail from me embedded below. > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:42 PM Corwin Brust wrote: > >> >> Hi! >> >> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:41 AM Stefan Kangas wrote: >> >>> Stefan Kangas writes: >>> >>> > I agree that this should be changed. I expect a splash screen to be >>> > shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular >>> > file. IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no reason >>> > why Emacs should be different. >>> >>> Catching up on emacs-devel, there is a thread on this particular >>> issue... where Stefan Monnier points to the "Dismiss this startup >>> screen" button. That button quits the window and customizes >>> inhibit-startup-window to t. This code seems to have been introduced >>> in 2007 by Chong Yidong (commit 22a58255). >>> >>> Of course, I have never seen that button over the years. I find that >>> your brain learns to filter out splash screens completely after a >>> while, which incidentally makes displaying them more often >>> counter-productive. >>> >> >> I wonder if the reason neither you or nor I had seen this button is that >> Emacs doesn't usually show it to us. I'm looking at 1843 of ~startup.el~. >> I think the button to quickly disable splash only displays when concise is >> t as per: >> >> 1813: (fancy-startup-screen &optional concise) >> ... >> Whereas within fancy-startup-tail we do this: >> >> 1771: (when concise >> (fancy-splash-insert >> :face 'variable-pitch "\n" >> :link `("Dismiss this startup screen" >> ,(lambda (_button) >> (when startup-screen-inhibit-startup-screen >> (customize-set-variable 'inhibit-startup-screen t) >> (customize-mark-to-save 'inhibit-startup-screen) >> (custom-save-all)) >> (let ((w (get-buffer-window "*GNU Emacs*"))) >> (and w (not (one-window-p)) (delete-window w))) >> (kill-buffer "*GNU Emacs*"))) >> " ") >> >> Meanwhile, this is called from `command-line-1' which starts around line >> 2233. >> >> It creates CONCISE based on the number of open buffers when called, e.g. >> 0 (zero) --so not-concise-- when starting Emacs. So no button for >> `inhibit-startup-screen' unless we open the spash screen "manually" one way >> or another. >> >> Maybe just always show the "inhibit splash" button? Maybe this logic to >> display or not this button should be inverted? Is it more likely I want to >> disable splash when I'm looking a fresh emacs or because I've called for >> the spash explicitly (maybe just to get at this button)? >> >> So, I don't think this changes my previous argument, but it does make >>> any need to change it less pressing. >>> >> >> I can also add that I've been using Emacs for 10+ years and found (setq >> inhibit-splash-screen t) for my init pleasure only a few months ago. So >> I'm all good now ;) >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> *Corwin* >> *corwin@bru.st * >> > > > -- > *Corwin* > 612-217-1742 > 612-298-0615 (fax) > 612-695-4276 (mobile) > *corwin.brust (skype)corwin@bru.st * > -- *Corwin* 612-217-1742 612-298-0615 (fax) 612-695-4276 (mobile) *corwin.brust (skype)corwin@bru.st * --0000000000003f1adf059c6f5cbb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry again for my clumsiness with emails. =C2=A0

=

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:44 PM Corwin Brust <corwin@bru.st> wrote:
Resending but to the= whole list.=C2=A0 Oops.

TL;DR:=C2=A0 I think = finding the simple button to disable splash-screen isn't so easy.

I forgot to call-out my Emacs RE source code line number relevance: =C2=A0 = I'm using GNU 26.3 on Win 32.=C2=A0 Only patch is to ERC around nick ma= tching syntax tables.=C2=A0 That said, please do see detail from me embedde= d below.
=C2=A0
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:42 PM Corwin B= rust <corwin@bru.st> wrote:

Hi!

=
On Sat, Ja= n 18, 2020 at 10:41 AM Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> wrote:
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> I agree that this should be changed.=C2=A0 I expect a splash screen to= be
> shown only when I run a command without specifying any particular
> file.=C2=A0 IME, this is what most other software does, and I see no r= eason
> why Emacs should be different.

Catching up on emacs-devel, there is a thread on this particular
issue... where Stefan Monnier points to the "Dismiss this startup
screen" button.=C2=A0 That button quits the window and customizes
inhibit-startup-window to t.=C2=A0 This code seems to have been introduced<= br> in 2007 by Chong Yidong (commit 22a58255).

Of course, I have never seen that button over the years.=C2=A0 I find that<= br> your brain learns to filter out splash screens completely after a
while, which incidentally makes displaying them more often
counter-productive.

I wonder if the rea= son neither you or nor I had seen this button is that Emacs doesn't usu= ally show it to us. I'm looking at 1843 of ~startup.el~.=C2=A0 I think = the button to quickly disable splash only displays when concise is t as per= :

1813:=C2=A0 (fancy-startup-screen &optio= nal concise)
...
Whereas within fancy-startup-tail we d= o this:

1771:=C2=A0 (when concise
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 (fancy-splash-insert
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:face 'variable-pitc= h "\n"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:link `("Dismiss this startup = screen"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ,(lambda (_button)
(when startup-scree= n-inhibit-startup-screen
=C2=A0(customize-set-variable 'inhibit-s= tartup-screen t)
=C2=A0(customize-mark-to-save 'inhibit-startup-s= creen)
=C2=A0(custom-save-all))
(let ((w (get-buffer-window &quo= t;*GNU Emacs*")))
=C2=A0(and w (not (one-window-p)) (delete-wind= ow w)))
(kill-buffer "*GNU Emacs*")))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0" =C2=A0")
=C2=A0
Me= anwhile, this is called from `command-line-1' which starts around line = 2233.

It creates CONCISE based on the number of op= en buffers when called, e.g. 0 (zero) --so not-concise-- when starting Emac= s.=C2=A0 So no button for `inhibit-startup-screen' unless we open the s= pash screen "manually" one way or another.

Maybe just always show the "inhibit splash" button?=C2=A0 Mayb= e this logic to display or not this button should be inverted?=C2=A0 Is it = more likely I want to disable splash when I'm looking a fresh emacs or = because I've called for the spash explicitly (maybe just to get at this= button)?

So, I don't think this changes my previous argument, but it does m= ake
any need to change it less pressing.
=C2=A0
I can also add that I've been using Emacs for 10+ years and found = (setq inhibit-splash-screen t) for my init pleasure only a few months ago.= =C2=A0 So I'm all good now ;)

Regards,

--
=


--
Corwin
612-217-1742
612-298-0615 (f= ax)
= 612-695-4276 (mobile)
corwin.brust (skype)


--
= Corwin
612-217-1742
612-298-0615 (fax)
6= 12-695-4276 (mobile)
corwin.brust (skype)
<= div>corwin@bru.st
--0000000000003f1adf059c6f5cbb-- From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 03:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157940514625769 (code B ref 9248); Sun, 19 Jan 2020 03:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2020 03:39:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1it1QX-0006hZ-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:39:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1it1QV-0006h5-89 for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:39:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60364) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1it1QP-0003Pj-QZ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:38:57 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1it1QO-0005Ja-0V; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:38:56 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:50:05 +0100) References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:38:56 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There is very important political information on that screen about > user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to > users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software > also by providing the best possible user experience. We don't win anything for our cause if the users of our software don't know what the cause is. It used to be that people could easily use Emacs for years and never have the faintest idea what we are fighting for. Emacs displayed this information only in circumstances which they never saw. When I discovered that, I changed it to present that information in more circumstances, so that all users would see it. If it is slightly annoying to see this information when you already know it, consider that that is a rather small sacrifice to make for the cause of freedom. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.157945481912034 (code B ref 9248); Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2020 17:26:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1itELi-000381-P3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:26:59 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:35416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1itELf-00037i-3o for 9248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:26:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OxYTC3ah5OzhRBUkcrvlcMuvWBt2Xf2hU1ve2BttTIQ=; b=Udb6m61orjybtXLyjh8h+bsAf4 PNIEUQYi9ztgDOvGy3wKMFN2HiyXaNTkVe8tLq8RumgN04N8LSus/mxDh6PISkXOozmspMd8xF8oL E22sl2f/b4IzQlp5P4CquZiK332rb5fe8GHhR5VyZZiJxkQHKkvJAriQQa1PA2iY7rYBomu7YK4hV KXz0UXSLLlHCIT4mPnzAcqA+1ikOQo8OpqJ1UfTeyl5sRPLddcbf7fAXzhZJVy5dGC6+w3VKu7y3b NltRTG7n4i+F62WdsI5Hm00ZsANSWLwI0RidHcoS00z8fP79h9i8HaHul4rGbZWtxPStXi7yyAoaQ LOLHqlXA==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:45736 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1itELY-000Vks-I6; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:26:48 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:38:56 -0500") References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:26:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87o8uztl0p.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > There is very important political information on that screen about > > user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to > > users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software > > also by providing the best possible user experience. > > We don't win anything for our cause if the users of our software > don't know what the cause is. > > It used to be that people could easily use Emacs for years and > never have the faintest idea what we are fighting for. Emacs > displayed this information only in circumstances which they never saw. > When I discovered that, I changed it to present that information in > more circumstances, so that all users would see it. > > If it is slightly annoying to see this information when you already > know it, consider that that is a rather small sacrifice to make for > the cause of freedom. Those are some good points. I think you convinced me that there is no need to change this, although my preferences are slighly different. Given the lack of support from other Emacs developers to change this default, I think it's unlikely to ever happen. Therefore, it would probably make the most sense to close this bug as wontfix/notabug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Aug 15 17:20:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 23:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com Received: via spool by 9248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9248.158293152623963 (code B ref 9248); Fri, 28 Feb 2020 23:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 9248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 23:12:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7one-0006EQ-Aq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:12:06 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:60902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7onc-0006Ds-P8; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:12:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=g5ZDAt7RIqMEZ6zd6ZKfS1JMzOlh0QuvPPV1BTLEfQo=; b=R5IReseYX7ap6E+A41jjD+Zx7d Kzike9Q2fEsxIEztxeV7u9ujj9HqCKOzYbN4/lP8Cxus0+V3qtT9eZprrsJS0GL13THeGSi0kFu0D 63P7+u5oxuLSWaGdpB400PuUBCj20FSsjxQMEn+Kz/tOZ1xPVKuoXEtaFfikd+9M0YHs55rMEIVbJ B5hZRTGcfWMhbiuD79iSs1y/zoxMVhkSCOqYzayTwLpiKfvtFSoZBHh6AUEicWU3ORVGFrVmsIdI1 PSYkoLDePW8AtHtLn6W7HfuuyVZcgmVITmezjo0l/D2An2b23tUvfQKhrtvVN1epwoygg35XglDTD pGlnxs2w==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:34684 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j7onX-000il2-5b; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:11:59 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87o8uztl0p.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:26:46 +0100") References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> <87o8uztl0p.fsf@marxist.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: <8736au9uiq.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 9248 + notabug wontfix close 9248 thanks Stefan Kangas writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> > There is very important political information on that screen about >> > user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to >> > users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software >> > also by providing the best possible user experience. >> >> We don't win anything for our cause if the users of our software >> don't know what the cause is. >> >> It used to be that people could easily use Emacs for years and >> never have the faintest idea what we are fighting for. Emacs >> displayed this information only in circumstances which they never saw. >> When I discovered that, I changed it to present that information in >> more circumstances, so that all users would see it. >> >> If it is slightly annoying to see this information when you already >> know it, consider that that is a rather small sacrifice to make for >> the cause of freedom. > > Those are some good points. I think you convinced me that there is no > need to change this, although my preferences are slighly different. > > Given the lack of support from other Emacs developers to change this > default, I think it's unlikely to ever happen. Therefore, it would > probably make the most sense to close this bug as wontfix/notabug. No further comments within 6 weeks, so I'm closing this bug now. Best regards, Stefan Kangas