From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131249287632445 (code B ref -1); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:22:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2011 21:21:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5Lu-0008RF-WB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:21:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5Lr-0008R5-7e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:21:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5LA-0004k3-LI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:55056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5LA-0004jz-Jl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42643) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5L9-0000aj-IO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5L8-0004jj-BJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:27 -0400 Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:11638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp5L8-0004jZ-38 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:26 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from ceviche.home ([96.22.109.87]) by vl-mo-mrz23.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LPF00AIF9WJLLD0@vl-mo-mrz23.ip.videotron.ca> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D49B3660CF; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-id: Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:24 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs,gnus Occasionally an NNTP (or IMAP) server refuses to answer. In Emacs-23, Gnus then prompted me something like "Unable to open server foo, go offline? " In Emacs-24, this has disappeared at the server is just marked offline silently (maybe there's a warning message, but if so I never get to notice it). Grepping for "go offline" in Gnus, I see that the code that did the prompting in Emacs-23 was in gnus-int.el but has been removed, although there is still a comment that refers to it: % grep 'go offline' emacs-23/lisp/gnus/*.el trunk/lisp/gnus/*.el emacs-23/lisp/gnus/gnus-int.el: "Unable to open server %s, go offline? " emacs-23/lisp/gnus/gnus-int.el: ;; prompting with "go offline?". This is only a concern trunk/lisp/gnus/gnus-int.el: ;; prompting with "go offline?". This is only a concern % Can the prompting be re-introduced, please? Stefan In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4) of 2011-08-03 on ceviche Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11002000 configured using `configure 'CFLAGS=-Wall -Wno-pointer-sign -DUSE_LISP_UNION_TYPE -DSYNC_INPUT -DENABLE_CHECKING -DXASSERTS -DFONTSET_DEBUG -g -O0 -I/usr/include/GNUstep'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: fr_CH.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Server Minor modes in effect: electric-pair-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t url-handler-mode: t global-reveal-mode: t reveal-mode: t auto-insert-mode: t savehist-mode: t minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: n ^ C O M-x r e p o r t - e m - b u Recent messages: nnimap read 29k [211 times] nnimap read 33k [597 times] nnimap read 34k [4 times] nnimap read 38k [87 times] nnimap read 39k [3 times] nnimap read 42k [483 times] Opening nntp server on gmane...done Reading active file via nndraft...done Checking new news...done Warning: Unable to open server nntp+news due to: Server closed connection Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug nnfolder nndraft nnmh utf-7 rfc2104 gnutls network-stream starttls nnimap parse-time tls utf7 netrc nnagent nnml gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 epg-config mm-view mml-smime smime dig mailcap nntp gnus-cache nnir gnus-sum nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source warnings server gnus-start gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus gnus-ems nnheader mail-utils wid-edit noutline outline easy-mmode flyspell ispell eldoc checkdoc regexp-opt thingatpt help-mode view load-dir electric url-handlers url-parse auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv macroexp assoc gnus-util password-cache url-vars mm-util mail-prsvr reveal autoinsert uniquify advice help-fns advice-preload savehist minibuf-eldef disp-table cl all-autoloads company-autoloads debbugs-autoloads epoch-view-autoloads js2-mode-autoloads load-dir-autoloads markchars-autoloads minimap-autoloads muse-autoloads info easymenu rainbow-mode-autoloads register-list-autoloads sisu-mode-autoloads uni-confusables-autoloads windresize-autoloads package tabulated-list proof-site proof-autoloads pg-vars bbdb-autoloads agda2 time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.131362545119469 (code B ref 9244); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2011 23:57:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtpzF-00053p-1f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:57:31 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtpzD-00053f-4B for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:57:28 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QtpxE-0007Ss-Dq; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:55:24 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:20:24 -0400") Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:43:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Various's _The Wire Tapper 26_: "Savaging Spires - Bending the Rules of Time" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QtpxE-0007Ss-Dq X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1314230124.60205@T3P6wRMv5SP6H4C7je0aCw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > Occasionally an NNTP (or IMAP) server refuses to answer. In Emacs-23, > Gnus then prompted me something like "Unable to open server foo, go offline? " > > In Emacs-24, this has disappeared at the server is just marked offline > silently (maybe there's a warning message, but if so I never get to > notice it). Yes, it's marked "denied" if you can't open it. > Can the prompting be re-introduced, please? No, the go-offline thing didn't make any sense in most situations. The offline/online thing is a global Gnus thing, and if (say) your IMAP connection to Gmail fails, it makes no sense to put Gnus offline with respect to the other servers. So I think the current behaviour makes the most sense. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.13136358077502 (code B ref 9244); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2011 02:50:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsgI-0001wu-BI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:50:07 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsgE-0001wZ-Gh for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:50:03 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAMt8TE5Ld+HZ/2dsb2JhbABBqHB4gUABAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgDtzGGSASfb4Q1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,242,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="131583278" Received: from 75-119-225-217.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.225.217]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 17 Aug 2011 22:48:04 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D1F9F66329; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:48:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:43:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> Occasionally an NNTP (or IMAP) server refuses to answer. >> In Emacs-23, Gnus then prompted me something like "Unable to open >> server foo, go offline? " >> In Emacs-24, this has disappeared at the server is just marked offline >> silently (maybe there's a warning message, but if so I never get to >> notice it). > Yes, it's marked "denied" if you can't open it. It's set to `offline' here, not `denied'. >> Can the prompting be re-introduced, please? > No, the go-offline thing didn't make any sense in most situations. The > offline/online thing is a global Gnus thing, and if (say) your IMAP > connection to Gmail fails, it makes no sense to put Gnus offline with > respect to the other servers. I totally agree and that's indeed the problem I have: Gnus does put my IMAP connection in `offline' state where it shouldn't. Actually for me the prompt made a lot of sense: sometimes the connection failure was really just transient and I want Gnus to re-try connecting, whereas at other times the connection fails for good reasons (e.g. it's a server that I can only access from some places and not from others, or only when the VPN is activated, or it is down for maintenance, ...) and I want to mark it offline so it doesn't prevent me from accessing other servers. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.131568341514037 (code B ref 9244); Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2011 19:36:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2TME-0003eK-LV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:36:55 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2TMC-0003eD-Cy for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:36:53 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2TI2-0004oq-6z; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:32:34 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:48:03 -0400") Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:29:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEURCQ1bQ1CekYtCLTcp GyLWId+gAAACf0lEQVQ4jTWTi5XjMAhF8ZgCjOQCRiQFWEYFSAv917QPT+Kc/HTF40/B3vUkipjE RcXwTR6DYoZJmwAB0HoCHjbI0qScMR6LZg4+F8Aak62bjzFp19cZTEFuwHjHGO6wWFoH035NG0Ew S88BTreOa5JRJODALYYNQJGYcztjmoGGjxnueaeJHNQnQFeaiApKj4smekAzRi+KXGbvDwjFc/m1 j9FVM+OQblL0ecgmHIqmVP+cPY/b3N1wgqieg4ZXXhiDdpc0ZWrf2wUvYaRd02Ly97znx3FN76jv IvoDraiXVsOJXUSAaH4tBqG+KIlXqQBMj8Gxt5MnjS1imfSLiXncRRvSPtkHnRRrLEEM0wP6hgKe vFRQafQVpvkDOVysJWLTa+NwWwcjqvEj+nttbU3zth97uHS5BbXqotlwPFwWhBCudWgyJmWkbl27 2XWhf2YCsIlVyyM7vwAZVnokoivs45mhL/Ba2phb69MNDUSQlsVtFLVUpp9Xp+jtleYfsLmeQXdF yl0nHxfLH/DVIFwSLP1Nn/K0GX9fCVC2uDELAP0D7rojs3syliB90OpPawOTTiwdZb6V2TDaH4B5 xQzWB7wHPVqP8xYAr1/MEaQnfZxc9E8WOtoOmrumD7RxSUHTAbKsV45Lw8qwJyhvMsFm7mVyjsux 4351WMBH/QVoGIpNnzy62h+ACu0vgFX0Ddebji4AURDJ/sZGbhkLAtHTE3iD/PamK8FBkkGh27DA 8tPPCQCptg7K3V2iGLQ5acspzK3A7/Dyws4gD2S+vzdKgMixkUUHdygiczoBcJAFCZT/hN/oHf+q Y+yz7IZtXQ+YqyU4sxGqjIIiR2j8B8BUlkyS2jVvAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Various's _New Wave to New Beat Volume 2_: "Man Parrish - Hip Hop Be Bop (Dub)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R2TI2-0004oq-6z X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316287954.76796@gq2j8uN7U2ap118ELj9Fcg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> Yes, it's marked "denied" if you can't open it. > > It's set to `offline' here, not `denied'. Oops. Yeah, that's true. I was thinking of non-agented groups, which gets `denied' in the same situation. >>> Can the prompting be re-introduced, please? >> No, the go-offline thing didn't make any sense in most situations. The >> offline/online thing is a global Gnus thing, and if (say) your IMAP >> connection to Gmail fails, it makes no sense to put Gnus offline with >> respect to the other servers. > > I totally agree and that's indeed the problem I have: Gnus does put my > IMAP connection in `offline' state where it shouldn't. > > Actually for me the prompt made a lot of sense: sometimes the connection > failure was really just transient and I want Gnus to re-try connecting, > whereas at other times the connection fails for good reasons (e.g. it's > a server that I can only access from some places and not from others, or > only when the VPN is activated, or it is down for maintenance, ...) and > I want to mark it offline so it doesn't prevent me from accessing > other servers. The prompting drove me crazy, because it would trigger in the middle of doing, well, anything, like batch-sending emails. But I could add an option to enable people to get the prompt if they want to? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.13156893589021 (code B ref 9244); Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2011 21:15:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Uu5-0002LS-TS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:15:58 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Uu3-0002LL-Sw for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:15:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am0HANrRa05FxK3+/2dsb2JhbABBoV6GOnmBUgEBBAFWIwULCzQSFBgNJC2HXbRuhm4EoDKEQw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,361,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="135588087" Received: from 69-196-173-254.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.173.254]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Sep 2011 17:11:42 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C3A15663AA; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:11:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:29:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > The prompting drove me crazy, because it would trigger in the middle of > doing, well, anything, like batch-sending emails. > But I could add an option to enable people to get the prompt if they > want to? I don't necessarily need the prompt, but the current behavior is much too silent for my taste: I don't get any message about going offline, and typically the only way I notice the problem is that "g" keeps telling me there's no news, even though I know that the last refresh was sufficiently long ago that at least some spam must have arrived in the mean time. And then I have to figure out how to bring it back online. I'm a sufficiently sophisticated user that I can handle it, but my wife would just tell me "this =ABGnus=BB thingy of yours doesn't work". The prompt may not always be welcome, but in practice I almost *never* want to go offline. So I'd much rather default to "retry" than to "go offline". And for my use, making this decision when Emacs prompted me worked pretty well. Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.131570067424238 (code B ref 9244); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2011 00:24:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Xqc-0006Is-9Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:24:34 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Xqa-0006Il-1K for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:24:32 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2XmP-0003Hk-2X; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:20:13 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:11:42 -0400") Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:17:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Aidan Baker's _Still Life_: "Complex Iconographical Symbology" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R2XmP-0003Hk-2X X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316305213.14347@Yg0k21Da026kB9Y3EBJvSg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > The prompt may not always be welcome, but in practice I almost *never* > want to go offline. So I'd much rather default to "retry" than to "go > offline". And for my use, making this decision when Emacs prompted me > worked pretty well. Right. The things that can happen in that piece of code are, broadly: 1) We opened the server successfully. Yay! 2) We couldn't open the server, but it's covered by the Agent, and it has the data. Mark it as `offline'. 3) We couldn't open the server, and it's covered by the Agent, which claims it doesn't know anything about it. Mark it as `denied'. 4) We couldn't open the server. Mark it as `denied'. Previously 2) was special-cased. It would query you, and if you said `n', the next time you hit `g', it would (perhaps) fail again, and then query you again. I think handling 2) with a query, and not querying on 3) and 4) doesn't make all that much sense. Either you want to retry errors, or you don't. However, if you have a Gnus with ten different sources, some of them will fail, and being prompted here is just annoying. Gnus will list failed groups specially in the group buffer, and you can `M-g' them to force a reconnect. I think that model makes more sense, overall. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.132589340230627 (code B ref 9244); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2012 23:43:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJRS-0007xw-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:43:22 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJRR-0007xp-8w for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:43:21 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJNm-0006qk-Ij; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:39:34 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Various's _Bossa Jazz (2)_: "Luis Carlos Vinhas - Batucada" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:39:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 11 Sep 2011 02:17:10 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjJNm-0006qk-Ij X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326497974.79671@QNQRu1Hfgn/vvwBY2CKSSg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > However, if you have a Gnus with ten different sources, some of them > will fail, and being prompted here is just annoying. Gnus will list > failed groups specially in the group buffer, and you can `M-g' them to > force a reconnect. I think that model makes more sense, overall. So I don't think this is a bug, and I'm closing this report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 18:43:25 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2012 23:43:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJRU-0007y8-S3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:43:25 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJRS-0007xv-SD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:43:23 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJNq-0006qw-G1 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:39:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:39:37 +0100 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #9244 X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjJNq-0006qw-G1 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326497979.17532@61xt3g0q/hmZPXiyQGnbfg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) tags 9244 notabug close 9244 From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.13258965175581 (code B ref 9244); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 00:35:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjKFh-0001Ry-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:35:17 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjKFe-0001Rq-QR for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:35:15 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAPeRB09FxKkV/2dsb2JhbABErEKBBoFyAQEEAVYjEAswBBIUGA0kiA22F4h5gxgEiDmaT4RS X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,471,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="155593739" Received: from 69-196-169-21.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.169.21]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 06 Jan 2012 19:31:35 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 117C066110; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:31:34 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:31:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:39:33 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> However, if you have a Gnus with ten different sources, some of them >> will fail, and being prompted here is just annoying. Gnus will list >> failed groups specially in the group buffer, and you can `M-g' them to >> force a reconnect. I think that model makes more sense, overall. > So I don't think this is a bug, and I'm closing this report. No, I don't think you realize the extent of the problem. Failed groups do not show up specially in my experience (maybe they do on the first connection, but for long-lived Gnus sessions this is irrelevant). Here's another take on the problem: Start "emacs -f gnus" with a setup that uses IMAP. Then when prompted for your IMAP password, type in a wrong password. Result: Gnus just keeps on going, treating the server as "offline". Stefan From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.132743855511767 (code B ref 9244); Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2012 20:55:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RpnPG-00033e-6u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:55:54 -0500 Received: from cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com ([208.78.214.25]:14850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RpnPE-00033K-AT for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:55:53 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAGTCHk/AqF0N/2dsb2JhbABCrzWBcgEBBAF5EAsNFA8WDwEESQ4Fh3y4HYkmAgEKAiIFg3gGG4MaBIg/klaMdQ Received: from unknown (HELO chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com) ([192.168.93.13]) by cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2012 20:56:50 +0000 Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:55:24 -0600 Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:55:23 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:54:54 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:31:34 -0500") Message-ID: <87ty3kkbpt.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2012 20:55:23.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E07D530:01CCDADA] X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:31:34 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> However, if you have a Gnus with ten different sources, some of them >>> will fail, and being prompted here is just annoying. Gnus will list >>> failed groups specially in the group buffer, and you can `M-g' them to >>> force a reconnect. I think that model makes more sense, overall. >> So I don't think this is a bug, and I'm closing this report. SM> No, I don't think you realize the extent of the problem. SM> Failed groups do not show up specially in my experience (maybe they do SM> on the first connection, but for long-lived Gnus sessions this is SM> irrelevant). SM> Here's another take on the problem: SM> Start "emacs -f gnus" with a setup that uses IMAP. SM> Then when prompted for your IMAP password, type in a wrong password. SM> Result: Gnus just keeps on going, treating the server as "offline". Maybe errored-offline / errored-denied groups could get 2 special faces in the group buffer? That would give a visual indication without necessarily interrupting the user. I think strike-through would be a perfect visual emphasis for this. Ted From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Ted Zlatanov Cc: Stefan Monnier , 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.13276001429285 (code B ref 9244); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2012 17:49:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45786 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqTRW-0002Pi-73 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:49:02 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38187) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqTRS-0002PD-Os for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:48:59 -0500 Received: from 93-41-173-241.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.173.241] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqTQl-00027f-SF; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:48:16 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87ty3kkbpt.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:48:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ty3kkbpt.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:54:54 -0600") Message-ID: <87ty3il5ia.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RqTQl-00027f-SF X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1328204896.73466@qA98c4TRPAarUCdi4N7acg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Ted Zlatanov writes: > Maybe errored-offline / errored-denied groups could get 2 special faces > in the group buffer? That would give a visual indication without > necessarily interrupting the user. > > I think strike-through would be a perfect visual emphasis for this. One of the reasons for having the Agent at all is that you're supposed to be able to read the groups if the server is down. (Or, as in the example, you typed the wrong password.) So I think what Gnus does here is what it's supposed to, but I agree with Ted's suggestion of marking the groups that are from servers that Gnus thinks are down specially. Strike-through is kinda intrusive, though. Something a bit more subtle would be nice... or perhaps just a mark at the beginning of the line, like what we do with non-Agented groups from servers that are down. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:10:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Stefan Monnier , 9244@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.132760258513003 (code B ref 9244); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2012 18:29:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqU4r-0003Nc-Fy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:29:45 -0500 Received: from cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com ([208.78.214.25]:55879) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqU4m-0003NI-5P for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:29:40 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAHKaIU/AqF0N/2dsb2JhbABCr1GBcgEBBXkQCw0UDwwKDwEESQ4FshmNX4k+EAEIAQYEAwMEIgOCZR0OgQUgAgELAQUJGoMaBIg/klmMdw Received: from unknown (HELO chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com) ([192.168.93.13]) by cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2012 18:30:19 +0000 Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:28:53 -0600 Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:28:53 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87ty3kkbpt.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ty3il5ia.fsf@gnus.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:28:23 -0600 In-Reply-To: <87ty3il5ia.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:48:13 +0100") Message-ID: <87mx9a6z6w.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2012 18:28:53.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B338E80:01CCDC58] X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:48:13 +0100 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: LI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> Maybe errored-offline / errored-denied groups could get 2 special faces >> in the group buffer? That would give a visual indication without >> necessarily interrupting the user. >> >> I think strike-through would be a perfect visual emphasis for this. LI> One of the reasons for having the Agent at all is that you're supposed LI> to be able to read the groups if the server is down. (Or, as in the LI> example, you typed the wrong password.) LI> So I think what Gnus does here is what it's supposed to, but I agree LI> with Ted's suggestion of marking the groups that are from servers that LI> Gnus thinks are down specially. LI> Strike-through is kinda intrusive, though. Something a bit more subtle LI> would be nice... or perhaps just a mark at the beginning of the line, LI> like what we do with non-Agented groups from servers that are down. As long as it's a face that can be customized, and which inherits from the normal group face... I don't think a separate indicator is a good idea. Ted