From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:25:52 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#9243 <9243@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#9243 <9243@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Reply-To: bug#9243 <9243@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:25:52 +0000 retitle 9243 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam reassign 9243 emacs,gnus submitter 9243 Stefan Monnier severity 9243 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 04 16:40:18 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2011 20:40:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4iG-0007TJ-GH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:40:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4i6-0007T4-9j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:40:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4hO-0003Kd-Ci for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:25 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:39357) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4hO-0003KZ-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4hN-0001Fi-7w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4hL-0003KI-99 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:38142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4hL-0003K6-3K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:19 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from ceviche.home ([96.22.109.87]) by vl-mh-mrz25.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LPF00AQS7X95X00@vl-mh-mrz25.ip.videotron.ca> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E6743660CF; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-id: Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:17 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Package: emacs,gnus [ I have a couple long standing issues that were introduced with the new nnimap.el code, and it's really high time I bring them up as bug reports. Here's the first one, it's one that really doesn't bother me much (since oddly enough it only affects my `spam' folder) but seems potentially serious and has the key property of being easy to reproduce, contrary to some of the other problems I often bump into and which I'll hence report later. ] Here's what I did: - emacs-trunk/src/emacs -f gnus - type my IMAP password. - see "101: nnimap+diro:spam" among the folders with unread email. - Erase *imap log* - type `g' to refresh the *Group* buffer. [ it still says "101". ] - hit `c y' on that folder. [ it now says "0" unread email in the spam folder. ] - hit `g' for the fun of it. [ Lo and behold I have 101 unread email in my spam folder again. ] And yes, it's always one hundred and one (actually I think I occasionally see 40k unread email in that folder, maybe if I first enter it rather than just doing `c y', but that's rare anyway). You can find below my sig the list of commands sent to the server, with 2 empty lines to separate the `g', the `c y', and the `g'. Stefan 16:27:41 28 SELECT "" 16:27:41 29 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 16:27:41 30 EXAMINE "spam" 16:27:41 31 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS 16:27:41 32 EXAMINE "yale" 16:27:41 33 UID FETCH 1140:* FLAGS 16:27:41 34 EXAMINE "types" 16:27:41 35 UID FETCH 3626:* FLAGS 16:27:41 36 EXAMINE "subscriptions" 16:27:41 37 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 16:27:41 38 EXAMINE "qcpls" 16:27:41 39 UID FETCH 3266:* FLAGS 16:27:41 40 EXAMINE "friends" 16:27:41 41 UID FETCH 1865:* FLAGS 16:27:41 42 EXAMINE "emacs" 16:27:41 43 UID FETCH 176373:* FLAGS 16:27:41 44 EXAMINE "stages" 16:27:41 45 UID FETCH 1658:* FLAGS 16:27:41 46 EXAMINE "nanda" 16:27:41 47 UID FETCH 1179:* FLAGS 16:27:41 48 EXAMINE "diro" 16:27:41 49 UID FETCH 24052:* FLAGS 16:27:41 50 EXAMINE "cours" 16:27:41 51 UID FETCH 4003:* FLAGS 16:27:41 52 EXAMINE "INBOX" 16:27:41 53 UID FETCH 63343:* FLAGS 16:27:55 54 SELECT "spam" 16:27:55 55 UID STORE 46421:46521 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen) 16:27:59 56 SELECT "" 16:27:59 57 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 16:27:59 58 EXAMINE "spam" 16:27:59 59 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS 16:27:59 60 EXAMINE "yale" 16:27:59 61 UID FETCH 1140:* FLAGS 16:27:59 62 EXAMINE "types" 16:27:59 63 UID FETCH 3626:* FLAGS 16:27:59 64 EXAMINE "subscriptions" 16:27:59 65 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 16:27:59 66 EXAMINE "qcpls" 16:27:59 67 UID FETCH 3266:* FLAGS 16:27:59 68 EXAMINE "friends" 16:27:59 69 UID FETCH 1865:* FLAGS 16:27:59 70 EXAMINE "emacs" 16:27:59 71 UID FETCH 176373:* FLAGS 16:27:59 72 EXAMINE "stages" 16:27:59 73 UID FETCH 1658:* FLAGS 16:27:59 74 EXAMINE "nanda" 16:27:59 75 UID FETCH 1179:* FLAGS 16:27:59 76 EXAMINE "diro" 16:27:59 77 UID FETCH 24052:* FLAGS 16:27:59 78 EXAMINE "cours" 16:27:59 79 UID FETCH 4003:* FLAGS 16:27:59 80 EXAMINE "INBOX" 16:27:59 81 UID FETCH 63343:* FLAGS In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4) of 2011-08-03 on ceviche Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11002000 configured using `configure 'CFLAGS=-Wall -Wno-pointer-sign -DUSE_LISP_UNION_TYPE -DSYNC_INPUT -DENABLE_CHECKING -DXASSERTS -DFONTSET_DEBUG -g -O0 -I/usr/include/GNUstep'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: fr_CH.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-undo-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t url-handler-mode: t global-reveal-mode: t reveal-mode: t auto-insert-mode: t savehist-mode: t minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: n C-x 5 b * i m C-x h C-w g C-q C-j c y C-q C-j g s C-x h M-w M-x r e p o - e m - b u Recent messages: Reading active file via nndraft...done Checking new news...done Saving /home/monnier/var/newsrc.eld... Saving file /home/monnier/var/newsrc.eld... Wrote /home/monnier/var/newsrc.eld Saving /home/monnier/var/newsrc.eld...done Mark set [2 times] Saved text until "" 16:27:59 81 UID FETCH 63343:* FLAGS " Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug executable copyright nndraft nnmh utf-7 rfc2104 gnutls network-stream starttls nnimap parse-time tls utf7 netrc nnagent nnml gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 epg-config mm-view mml-smime smime dig mailcap nntp gnus-cache nnir gnus-sum nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source server gnus-start gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus gnus-ems nnheader mail-utils wid-edit noutline outline easy-mmode flyspell ispell eldoc checkdoc regexp-opt thingatpt help-mode view load-dir electric url-handlers url-parse auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv macroexp assoc gnus-util password-cache url-vars mm-util mail-prsvr reveal autoinsert uniquify advice help-fns advice-preload savehist minibuf-eldef disp-table cl all-autoloads company-autoloads debbugs-autoloads epoch-view-autoloads js2-mode-autoloads load-dir-autoloads markchars-autoloads minimap-autoloads muse-autoloads info easymenu rainbow-mode-autoloads register-list-autoloads sisu-mode-autoloads uni-confusables-autoloads windresize-autoloads package tabulated-list proof-site proof-autoloads pg-vars bbdb-autoloads agda2 time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 21 16:41:49 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2011 20:41:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvEq5-0000Kr-EF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:41:49 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvEq2-0000KY-UH for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:41:47 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QvEni-0000Sc-KP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:39:22 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:39:17 -0400") Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:35:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Matthew Herbert's _One One_: "Porto" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QvEni-0000Sc-KP X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1314563962.6931@ofgLEizLJqkebM3/KynX0w X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > Here's what I did: > - emacs-trunk/src/emacs -f gnus > - type my IMAP password. > - see "101: nnimap+diro:spam" among the folders with unread email. > - Erase *imap log* > - type `g' to refresh the *Group* buffer. > [ it still says "101". ] > - hit `c y' on that folder. > [ it now says "0" unread email in the spam folder. ] > - hit `g' for the fun of it. > [ Lo and behold I have 101 unread email in my spam folder again. ] Hm. What happens if you `M-g' the group once? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 22 18:33:08 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2011 22:33:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvd3M-0004gT-53 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:33:08 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvd3H-0004gJ-Se for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:33:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGvXUk5Ld+HZ/2dsb2JhbABBqBt4gUABAQQBVh4FBQsLMAQIChQYDSSIBLV2g0eDAQSfcYQ2 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,266,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="132250974" Received: from 75-119-225-217.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.225.217]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 22 Aug 2011 18:30:38 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2A01E6610A; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:30:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:35:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) >> Here's what I did: >> - emacs-trunk/src/emacs -f gnus >> - type my IMAP password. >> - see "101: nnimap+diro:spam" among the folders with unread email. >> - Erase *imap log* >> - type `g' to refresh the *Group* buffer. >> [ it still says "101". ] >> - hit `c y' on that folder. >> [ it now says "0" unread email in the spam folder. ] >> - hit `g' for the fun of it. >> [ Lo and behold I have 101 unread email in my spam folder again. ] > Hm. What happens if you `M-g' the group once? After M-g, it says "34987: nnimap+diro:spam". After that `c y' brings it down to 100, and `g' brings it back up to the magical 101. Here's a session where I did M-g, then entered the group to view the last 10 messages, left the group, re-entered it to view all messages, left the group (at which point it said "12222: nnimap+diro:spam"), then `g' again (which brought it up to 12323, a difference of 101), then re-entered the group and left it again with `c y' to go down to 0, after which a final `g' brought it back to 101. If I do another M-g, it comes back up to around 34K again. I'll be happy to increase the logging details if you tell me how. Stefan 18:12:33 10478 SELECT "" 18:12:33 10479 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10480 EXAMINE "spam" 18:12:33 10481 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10482 EXAMINE "yale" 18:12:33 10483 UID FETCH 1140:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10484 EXAMINE "types" 18:12:33 10485 UID FETCH 3645:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10486 EXAMINE "subscriptions" 18:12:33 10487 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10488 EXAMINE "qcpls" 18:12:33 10489 UID FETCH 3285:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10490 EXAMINE "friends" 18:12:33 10491 UID FETCH 1872:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10492 EXAMINE "emacs" 18:12:33 10493 UID FETCH 177460:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10494 EXAMINE "stages" 18:12:33 10495 UID FETCH 1658:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10496 EXAMINE "nanda" 18:12:33 10497 UID FETCH 1182:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10498 EXAMINE "diro" 18:12:33 10499 UID FETCH 24191:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10500 EXAMINE "cours" 18:12:33 10501 UID FETCH 4014:* FLAGS 18:12:33 10502 EXAMINE "INBOX" 18:12:33 10503 UID FETCH 63716:* FLAGS 18:14:24 10504 NOOP 18:14:30 10505 SELECT "spam" 18:14:30 10506 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10507 SELECT "" 18:15:31 10508 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10509 EXAMINE "spam" 18:15:31 10510 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10511 EXAMINE "yale" 18:15:31 10512 UID FETCH 1140:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10513 EXAMINE "types" 18:15:31 10514 UID FETCH 3645:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10515 EXAMINE "subscriptions" 18:15:31 10516 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10517 EXAMINE "qcpls" 18:15:31 10518 UID FETCH 3285:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10519 EXAMINE "friends" 18:15:31 10520 UID FETCH 1872:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10521 EXAMINE "emacs" 18:15:31 10522 UID FETCH 177487:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10523 EXAMINE "stages" 18:15:31 10524 UID FETCH 1658:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10525 EXAMINE "nanda" 18:15:31 10526 UID FETCH 1182:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10527 EXAMINE "diro" 18:15:31 10528 UID FETCH 24193:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10529 EXAMINE "cours" 18:15:31 10530 UID FETCH 4014:* FLAGS 18:15:31 10531 EXAMINE "INBOX" 18:15:31 10532 UID FETCH 63719:* FLAGS 18:16:48 10560 SELECT "spam" 18:16:55 10561 UID STORE 46512:46521 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen) 18:18:36 10562 NOOP 18:18:39 10563 UID STORE 12319:12320,12444:12447,13514:13517,13749:13750,13= 862,13936:13943,13971,14092,15263:15264,17444:17448,19595:24529,24562:25728= ,25912:26214,26257:26521,26536:26797,26889:29232,29298:30019,30511:30836,30= 840,30874:30990,30994:31009,31031:31035,31046,31081:31088,31095:31320,31493= :31515,31522:31527,31534:31539,31575:31633,31649:31665,31673:31775,31788:31= 793,31795:31986,32013:32088,32090:32187,32196:32202,32212:32217,32224:32227= ,32246:32249,32275:32328,32349:32401,32403:32451,32458:32468,32471:32479,32= 481,32483,32488:32510,32520:32530,32532:32540,32565:32579,32591:32592,32600= :32601,32623:32701,32713:32721,32734:32739,32751:32826,32834:32838,32871:32= 875,32882,32890:33003,33012:33022,33030:33036,33051:33063,33108:33134,33138= :33194,33210:33219,33247:33265,33276:33310,33322:33332,33335:33343,33355:33= 372,33425:33441,33443:33488,33490:33494,33514,33525:33567,33639:33706,33738= :33799,33831:34089,34143:34164,34175:34278,34313:34331,34373:34469,34493:34= 551,34556:34575,34578:34581,34618:34621,34625:34707,34766:34814,34820:35223= ,35281:35328,35340:35629,35649:35721,35789:35804,35808:35986,36116:36169,36= 177:36293,36301:36324,36378:36412,36425:36440,36467:36485,36503:36627,36693= :36721,36750:36762,36823:36835,36854:36864,36883:37020,37040:37053,37135:37= 150,37257:37351,37373:37377,37384:37401,37544:37574,37610:37772,37827:37875= ,37886:37960,37980,37982,38005:38020,38085:38151,38227:38247,38288:38338,38= 354:38432,38467:38492,38528:38533,38623:38626,38632:38689,38726:38748,38807= :39085,39140:39156,39178:39706,39732:42413,42419:42622,42772:43403,43433:43= 476,43506:43772,43788:43798,43815:43834,43881:43915,43923:45919,45946:46511= +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen) 18:19:02 10564 SELECT "" 18:19:02 10565 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10566 EXAMINE "spam" 18:19:02 10567 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10568 EXAMINE "yale" 18:19:02 10569 UID FETCH 1140:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10570 EXAMINE "types" 18:19:02 10571 UID FETCH 3645:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10572 EXAMINE "subscriptions" 18:19:02 10573 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10574 EXAMINE "qcpls" 18:19:02 10575 UID FETCH 3285:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10576 EXAMINE "friends" 18:19:02 10577 UID FETCH 1872:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10578 EXAMINE "emacs" 18:19:02 10579 UID FETCH 177488:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10580 EXAMINE "stages" 18:19:02 10581 UID FETCH 1658:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10582 EXAMINE "nanda" 18:19:02 10583 UID FETCH 1182:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10584 EXAMINE "diro" 18:19:02 10585 UID FETCH 24193:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10586 EXAMINE "cours" 18:19:02 10587 UID FETCH 4014:* FLAGS 18:19:02 10588 EXAMINE "INBOX" 18:19:02 10589 UID FETCH 63719:* FLAGS 18:19:37 10590 SELECT "spam" 18:21:12 10591 NOOP 18:23:50 10592 UID STORE 11535:12318,12321:12443,12448:13513,13518:13748,13= 751:13861,13863:13935,13944:13970,13972:14091,14093:15262,15265:17443,17449= :19594,24530:24561,25729:25911,26215:26256,26522:26535,26798:26888,29233:29= 297,30020:30510,30837:30839,30841:30873,30991:30993,31010:31030,31036:31045= 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054:37134,37151:37256,37352:37372,37378:37383,37402:37543,37575:37609,37773= :37826,37876:37885,37961:37979,37981,37983:38004,38021:38084,38152:38226,38= 248:38287,38339:38353,38433:38466,38493:38527,38534:38622,38627:38631,38690= :38725,38749:38806,39086:39139,39157:39177,39707:39731,42414:42418,42623:42= 771,43404:43432,43477:43505,43773:43787,43799:43814,43835:43880,43916:43922= ,45920:45945,46421:46521 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen) 18:23:50 10593 NOOP 18:24:00 10594 SELECT "" 18:24:00 10595 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10596 EXAMINE "spam" 18:24:00 10597 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10598 EXAMINE "yale" 18:24:00 10599 UID FETCH 1140:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10600 EXAMINE "types" 18:24:00 10601 UID FETCH 3645:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10602 EXAMINE "subscriptions" 18:24:00 10603 UID FETCH 1:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10604 EXAMINE "qcpls" 18:24:00 10605 UID FETCH 3285:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10606 EXAMINE "friends" 18:24:00 10607 UID FETCH 1872:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10608 EXAMINE "emacs" 18:24:00 10609 UID FETCH 177489:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10610 EXAMINE "stages" 18:24:00 10611 UID FETCH 1658:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10612 EXAMINE "nanda" 18:24:00 10613 UID FETCH 1182:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10614 EXAMINE "diro" 18:24:00 10615 UID FETCH 24193:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10616 EXAMINE "cours" 18:24:00 10617 UID FETCH 4014:* FLAGS 18:24:00 10618 EXAMINE "INBOX" 18:24:00 10619 UID FETCH 63719:* FLAGS 18:24:24 10620 NOOP From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 10 15:08:40 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2011 19:08:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Sut-0001cD-JM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:08:40 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Sur-0001c4-Pj for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:08:38 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Sqh-00048P-Km; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:04:19 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:30:38 -0400") Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:58:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEWYtKYNDhc+XH8UGy4l Nk8KBwsHAgS2QD4iAAACUElEQVQ4jVWTQZrbIAyF+egcoBSTtUs4QBnsWWdA7Z5x5H0W5v5H6BPB 7QyLOOhH0pMEKi3kZ62VUnpWn1cHXn+x+RN47XH6HyxmOj2UkBNcHW80A+QBxtKReVq3Drzy3p/g xXC96TeVaIBBdDHVzuqlg1l50B5Mh2JMFiUpd6CfQPugY5pF8TLOhixb77OKi+/AfwFhVsGL538g P7OnIaGDs4SbDoGeO2hcnubZ98qvlEnKhecScu8FpM9afUskmT2RmuYRifxtBsg9A4B9du/Xrdzw +Rl914RQ9jZc6BVKYyzGSn9IGTmoKZrXmNU1uii960BKD8wuu+oBJsqI5IsyFhP0jn+8OJ4o2SV1 uQLEBYP5yXwv7zn0OkJUJiUBk16Zt4gGSh0hGZWeAPNkrrHWCYFlJgCEJKsTwKbiHhClOADR2u0s H4SA3cj1IcrRJMs1Rd4PY8TuMHNaqKS3Y2/N4FAheFgTAXDaRLtu7g87txnHj2ojPHzI9I5oH/k3 7sqd296OilCIZyB0MV0wP9o+QBeFPGkpJdlYWQALwFoKMrt2h8KUylJikkEJKa0h9Ob6edRazYIm SkVNyAZNxslfFIPkAKvsmnXYLBRWSQIAl7cODLtq5Tb49QSXDiLXymxBrh3Af+8gwZrcUZf5ytyB aSNU3XxET2r8CpwASk78WVUzJLYDr3WS6bFo72AfYL9jsCUKaJ9Ac3vFXQjx6SHNPQFv8ozCKm1U aCS3E3zI5fN6vfCuZAgDXB7f+0vV63F0MOxtf9wzXpYKl+NwfwEfVM0+w/+lhAAAAABJRU5ErkJg gg== X-Now-Playing: Various's _Bustin' Out 1983: New Wave To New Beat Volume 3_: "The Jonzun Crew - We Are The Jonzun Crew" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R2Sqh-00048P-Km X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316286259.70336@dI771AGhJQXCEz1SLdrMQg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > 18:12:33 10480 EXAMINE "spam" > 18:12:33 10481 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS It's most puzzling. From the log, your `c' on the group made it set 46421:46721 to \Seen. But it sounds like every time it does the commands above, it's being told that the last 101 messages are unread again. Could you go to the " *nnimap ... " buffer and eval the following? (process-send-string (get-buffer-process (current-buffer)) "1 EXAMINE spam\r\n2 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS\r\n") Replace the article number with what the imap log says `g' is querying. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 13 13:47:14 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2011 17:47:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R3X4j-000134-GX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:47:13 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R3X4g-00012u-6u for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:47:11 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p8DHgcPZ005626; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B619713007E; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:58:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3979=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <3979> : streams <681260> : uri <958579> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Could you go to the " *nnimap ... " buffer and eval the following? Hmm.. I have 8 of those buffers. Anyway, the 8th seems to have a running process. > (process-send-string (get-buffer-process (current-buffer)) > "1 EXAMINE spam\r\n2 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS\r\n") `g' said 46421, so I ran exactly the above command, and the result was: * 12684 EXISTS * 52 RECENT * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1305554723] UID validity status * OK [UIDNEXT 12685] Predicted next UID * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen) * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags * OK [UNSEEN 11634] first unseen message in /export/home/mail3/monnier/Mail/spam 1 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed * 12684 FETCH (UID 12684 FLAGS (\Recent)) 2 OK UID FETCH completed Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 17 01:33:51 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2011 05:33:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R4nXD-00017l-3s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:33:51 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R4nX9-00017Z-FO for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:33:48 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R4nSP-0001Yy-Ax; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:28:53 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:42:38 -0400") Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Ikonika's _Contact, Love, Want, Have_: "Yoshimitsu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R4nSP-0001Yy-Ax X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316842133.43038@6qstvyX4Srs/SccI4Gn5nw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> (process-send-string (get-buffer-process (current-buffer)) >> "1 EXAMINE spam\r\n2 UID FETCH 46421:* FLAGS\r\n") > > `g' said 46421, so I ran exactly the above command, and the result was: > > * 12684 EXISTS > * 52 RECENT > * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1305554723] UID validity status > * OK [UIDNEXT 12685] Predicted next UID > * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen) > * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags > * OK [UNSEEN 11634] first unseen message in /export/home/mail3/monnier/Mail/spam > 1 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed > * 12684 FETCH (UID 12684 FLAGS (\Recent)) > 2 OK UID FETCH completed That's really unexpected. The IMAP server claims that the highest message number is 12684, while Gnus thinks that the highest number is 46520 or something. Hm. Oh! Are your nnimap groups covered by the Agent? Or are there cache entries that may interfere here? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 17 17:12:49 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2011 21:12:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R52Bt-0001jJ-Do for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:12:49 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R52Br-0001jB-HV for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:12:48 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EACkLdU5FpZ7x/2dsb2JhbABBp2F4gVMBAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSICrRohngEoE6ERA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,398,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="136920024" Received: from 69-165-158-241.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.158.241]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 17 Sep 2011 17:07:55 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 368F7591A6; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:07:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:25:30 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > That's really unexpected. The IMAP server claims that the highest > message number is 12684, while Gnus thinks that the highest number is > 46520 or something. > Hm. Oh! Are your nnimap groups covered by the Agent? Or are there > cache entries that may interfere here? There's an agent, yes. Don't know if there are cache entries nor how to check it. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 18 03:45:37 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2011 07:45:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5C4F-0008AQ-JB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:45:36 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5C4C-0008AF-FN for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:45:34 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R5BzL-0004S7-69; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:40:31 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:07:55 -0400") Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:27:59 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX9/Po0NCqMgXMkJhoY GA8rLSEpKx8nKR05Si/WAAACG0lEQVQ4jW2SS3bbMAxFWa3AikN5qqTpBkr3aB6zC7AbQvOoAOZh RWy/ACUriVsMdERdPTzi49q2fWjv9HHnLB7soMevrr3GCpaDf3Ht+T8gwdF16V+QgBWgSby/Ap80 YKogne10qeCbfU4gR3egVP/ZAAAQv4MPChhpGhQU/Ah8Ahox5AoQAUZcQEciMOcQNRUSCZVV0eEo XKZgHnMRlnlTgJBUUAQJZqDXLRXnoGAvpWguSQqax96Dvkv1KAWZC6GB+92BsxBPRwOWh6SoRxN3 HTHRmKtHIq1U8NI8ut+9WjKpi4LEo3nIa/PsnnYdcs6DGMDCBFDo4h5rKpkkS7B51CAtsHmKO20J Fsqq8GitRbTKWwPqPeu1nF+7bqA3MKYktCp0lLB1dyRgM/cpfW47afA7QNyA3nL6nyJpr61yb8af AFMt0M83ihEKs/UKbwCj1FSdzLpHQLWOOigKgw3qIHOtbwOTLKCT9/VR4IGLdtcAVlC0jqbvnbfB 5uoBugpYFQY6DkFT2SbqKFHXD1YgoYaZG6hLvYA8rLdipJnnRJdGQX8Q/VoWD0ZtYYFX3SoDOQxS b2WrJzyQgV2/D1cPXSQFJZe3TyDqiopu8SDD241iH2oLQvj+5RYscVrAfTgdY4wrOJ70/bmCl1jj FN2veFzeF7AeYnQvP1Ku8gWs/yv407aHn2ff3ivYXfp43rf7fdtGt2lXcI2/X5gS3HoJWmQAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Eurythmics's _Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)_: "I've Got An Angel" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R5BzL-0004S7-69 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316936431.3701@z2KmQxeU/dFJDgcnRbvvEg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > There's an agent, yes. Right. nnimap and the Agent has a buggy interaction, which I haven't taken the time to work through properly yet. > Don't know if there are cache entries nor how to check it. Look in ~/News/cache/. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 18 09:53:54 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2011 13:53:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Hof-000248-Ot for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:53:54 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Hod-00023z-AV for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:53:52 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EANH1dU5FpZ7x/2dsb2JhbABBp0Z4gVMBAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJC2HXbUyhngEoE6ERA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,401,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="136973213" Received: from 69-165-158-241.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.158.241]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 18 Sep 2011 09:48:54 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7B724591E3; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:48:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:48:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:27:59 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> There's an agent, yes. > Right. nnimap and the Agent has a buggy interaction, which I haven't > taken the time to work through properly yet. The Agent is indispensable for nnimap (unless you use offlineimap that is), and while I do see a few problems with nnimap (which may all come from the Agent), it's mostly usable, so I think it's worth the trouble trying to make it work (and enable it by default). >> Don't know if there are cache entries nor how to check it. > Look in ~/News/cache/. I see, then no I have no such thing (I do have gnus-agent-cache enabled, but that seems to be cached under ~/News/agent instead). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 21 14:57:21 2011 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2011 18:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6Ryz-0001Fv-HU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:57:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.getmail.no ([84.208.15.66]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6Ryw-0001Fn-Gt for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:57:19 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net ([10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-out03.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LRV0094GZB13600@get-mta-out03.get.basefarm.net> for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:57:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 9F7461EEF53C_E7A337DB for <9243@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:57:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.getmail.no (unknown [10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 8043C1EEF415_E7A337DF for <9243@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:57:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from stories.gnus.org ([84.215.51.58]) by get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LRV000PNZB11Q10@get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net> for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:57:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:53:33 +0200 Message-id: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUEAQBROzUNCAaOdGOu noza1sHh7llOAAACV0lEQVQ4jU2UQWLjIAxFZdIDDMbdg5zZDwYfIAYfIDHc/yr9Eum0LJwE8fjS lxyiX2tKtSYb8Cwznb23ruuij95qxbeW8kH2Z9Eq8VYynocSKe2yQ397V6IOwqWUrCt5o1vX3ToI nE8JJ1tTDbmhWgdC9lM+e5vprklUEQFRoJBOzeoup3svztoNGnIcO1GJlmp7E70qPwit40qi4TT3 Gq0dhKbf20ZZz39raFYif5DkA2+sEB+ISqk9FxDnOQzqT/qoKe7fXmVsS8opRdG49NIMjaWOJcQd nxLAORD4ocVHS5+jQCkGBVbEJVofZkc+YkKxadgu2yXFG4RLnKMNV5opIFG5CcSaa06WZzIhv4So QyY6EHXmaHkBwYJos6LLonzWyGF/0q7DoOL8KXVqUVY0GCuoJWFXo3ABCPFqjM8Tw4BW5MIsp0Rh Zl00VR9qjmQWnMp1WKjExT7nB5ED4cSMQdH6cEdGpuazvxB4OydEy1dFbSaE34THiGYdCr5jGKS2 rIxkJXLzNBvPIi4FYTEtve3demJ5J3gYgvhzggnuyT+vi5enIdx0Xu5FwY+fdHukvEVH0sBHPczq jdfAKgbWQrRfS6v/2L4vM8VGu+B9ouW4l3Pj7X2zyY96YpLxjQF3O39rBHQZkJy7oaCX3OQRYKNh WX4tyW3Mft0YlgzbNRIs2prQDx5TIh1Pqukl6NdoZsrqBxAtk9kk66c/t0MJZeKIrMGz8dM8TFTG apqwdkZ62/+/DCcjQ8aYzSBzo0Qp2qsU2UMjEgKTpkL8nhKWVrC2g78A1IjJ0jxbx2cAAAAASUVO RK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Siouxsie and the Banshees's _Kaleidoscope_: "Happy House" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > The Agent is indispensable for nnimap (unless you use offlineimap that > is), and while I do see a few problems with nnimap (which may all come > from the Agent), it's mostly usable, so I think it's worth the trouble > trying to make it work (and enable it by default). Yes, of course. I just haven't quite worked up the nerve to go delving into that code again, but I'm steeling myself, and will get to it one of these weekends. > I see, then no I have no such thing (I do have gnus-agent-cache > enabled, but that seems to be cached under ~/News/agent instead). Right. So the problem is definitely with the Agent and not the cache, which is good to know. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 18:42:41 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2012 23:42:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJQn-0007wh-3l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:42:41 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJQk-0007wZ-7a for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjJN5-0006qC-JF; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:38:51 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: X-Now-Playing: Various's _Bossa Jazz (2)_: "Luis Carlos Vinhas - Batucada" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:38:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:53:33 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjJN5-0006qC-JF X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326497931.86965@uPkiKgX8Udp8yJ1dzOpMfA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> The Agent is indispensable for nnimap (unless you use offlineimap that >> is), and while I do see a few problems with nnimap (which may all come >> from the Agent), it's mostly usable, so I think it's worth the trouble >> trying to make it work (and enable it by default). > > Yes, of course. I just haven't quite worked up the nerve to go delving > into that code again, but I'm steeling myself, and will get to it one of > these weekends. I've started looking into this now -- I've enabled the Agent for my main IMAP server and stuff. But I haven't seen any bugs yet. Is there anything in particular one does to make the Agent misbehave? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 20:08:52 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 01:08:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjKmC-00030m-Eq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:08:52 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjKm9-00030a-Of for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:08:50 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAHGYB09FxKkV/2dsb2JhbABErEKBBoFyAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiA22FYwRBIg5mk+EUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,471,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="155597275" Received: from 69-196-169-21.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.169.21]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 06 Jan 2012 20:05:10 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E7AAC66110; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:05:09 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:05:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:38:50 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > Is there anything in particular one does to make the Agent misbehave? I wish I knew. I see various occasional problems, but I don't know how to reproduce them. Just for information, here's the kind of problems I see: - seen messages re-appearing as unseen (presumably because the imap connection died during the "group exit"). - old&seen messages that refuse to appear (they don't show up in the Summary, tho if I disable the Agent and try again, they show up just fine). - different independent machines have different ideas about the number of unseen messages in a given IMAP folder. - not sure if it's related, but exiting a group/folder takes forever (apparently because I ask Gnus to do expiration at that time). - not sure if it's related, but "B m" to move stuff from a group/folder to another takes *ages* (as in several minutes), and I think most of this time is spent in Gnus trying to update its idea of the content of the destination group (after the actual move took place). I've already been tempted to setup offlineimap to work around these problems (after all, having a complete local copy of my mailbox(es) would be great), but I keep hoping that it will get fixed soon. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 20:44:05 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 01:44:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjLKG-0005RG-JZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:44:05 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjLJv-0005Q2-Mx for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:43:59 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjLGI-0008KM-Em; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:39:58 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAKlBMVEU8AAZrBRL+xmbKekM0 FBY1HBpCAQlBAQhXAw1EAAdVCxHkj0ZpOSb2o02AvlLuAAACZ0lEQVQ4jW3UPW/bMBAGYAUR0hjI ENZA4bSd1DHwEB8y0QY8UEvQoUDFpdDSpXN/go0OVbZ0a8agS9ExHFkNgawp6uKMAv9L3yOlWP0g DEO4x8c7UqSjpVL6j5E3GLWOIsVD/zMCpCp998P/QqWPEFKaG/FcdQNhpQBxrNTFjRDiWdxL5gG0 /I64mPj011o3mw6iaO3h4MPHaLkMc3fA8WN+uOwCHewxrPBw/eU4ROJdgrg6ejMqRAeDhMlqPxqJ /4BY7R+iiZMhiLHA5xiAxKO6aTaPPY2JhPgkTsJi+nGIeYjOxIu+t0EJknIh5QDiHmazhRwzXP+V sZjNKobJELBRr25n90/HLFcDeO/Xt+amxefH6LLb2ssCECZSahnKjyBFcTkai9XXYvQkwvvC7jIe FmK9FnvIEGJdcBWVejgoJgBfQ6wRj3EkuqVPCsDLO8DNXYR3HkB9O/Pbi5mIaJ72xydWlbG2bA3R 7dQ0egfpPUm7TZLt6daZGtNkqoOqamyZJMnUublGgSwUVyrPcxmgPVfI0B4Ug8ZcU6JFW2f+9DJg nbqpK1okhtyDVll/qHk1NW7FDHO5n2k6uAbhOcDufsQd5LeA5KHOdhASqi1DO++lh1x6cIYaHdr1 FyjPyXqYPhA1aFkFyJtKBnAt8T5mDJxQEVmH+Ck2UmI3a0Aa4g0i2yni1rrWzLM0QpxsiQi+nSsd wDnaMFSydK10LnFb1LDs5lxFaBS/MZJLcHFrIO0cGW851yDL77vlUbZzHel758GW6HfaloiTNT1Y G8C1qI7+DP596l8O/eGlcykubNHhRqW/Aeu+S0YdUvFiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Louise Rutowski's _Angel_: "Angel" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:39:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:05:09 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjLGI-0008KM-Em X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326505198.53064@vh4yVQxqkHXqlVFMHpkMsA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > - seen messages re-appearing as unseen (presumably because the imap > connection died during the "group exit"). That should probably be unrelated to the Agent, and won't be fixed during this development cycle. To fix this properly, Gnus would have to maintain a transaction log (on disk) and update the IMAP server in a "transactional" manner, instead of (as it does now) just sending the data to the server on Group exit. > - old&seen messages that refuse to appear (they don't show up in the > Summary, tho if I disable the Agent and try again, they show up just > fine). > - different independent machines have different ideas about the number > of unseen messages in a given IMAP folder. Hm... > - not sure if it's related, but exiting a group/folder takes forever > (apparently because I ask Gnus to do expiration at that time). Some IMAP servers are really, really slow at doing expunging on big folders. They basically keep all the messages in one big file, and they have to rewrite the entire file to delete a message, if I understand correctly. Does setting `nnimap-expunge' to nil make exit fast? In that case, that's the problem, and if not, I can try do debug... > - not sure if it's related, but "B m" to move stuff from a group/folder > to another takes *ages* (as in several minutes), and I think most of > this time is spent in Gnus trying to update its idea of the content of > the destination group (after the actual move took place). Huh. Hm... Actually, can you try the `nnimap-expunge' setting for this, too? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 21:49:00 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 02:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48958 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjML5-0006SF-Lk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:49:00 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:11351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjML1-0006S6-Ei for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:48:57 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6wB09FxKkV/2dsb2JhbAA9Bqw+gQaBcgEBBAFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgNthOIYYMwBIg5mlKEUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,472,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="155603337" Received: from 69-196-169-21.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.169.21]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 06 Jan 2012 21:45:15 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 972706610B; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:45:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:39:57 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) >> - seen messages re-appearing as unseen (presumably because the imap >> connection died during the "group exit"). > That should probably be unrelated to the Agent, and won't be fixed > during this development cycle. AFAIK my use case is not completely unusual (typically connected via a NAT router to my university's IMAP server) and I see this problem more or less *every day*. So I really hope you can try to fix this soon. FWIW I never saw this problem with the old nnimap backend, so it's a (very serious if you ask me) regression w.r.t Emacs-23. And I think it is related to the agent, because the connection death would be handled differently without the agent: the connection would be re-established and the command re-tried, whereas with the new "connection death silently puts the agent in offline mode", the command just gets dropped on the floor. > To fix this properly, Gnus would have to maintain a transaction log > (on disk) and update the IMAP server in a "transactional" manner, > instead of (as it does now) just sending the data to the server on > Group exit. Emacs-23's experience seems to indicate there's a way to get much better behavior without going to such a transaction log. > Some IMAP servers are really, really slow at doing expunging on big > folders. They basically keep all the messages in one big file, and they > have to rewrite the entire file to delete a message, if I understand > correctly. That's probably what's going on (each folder is stored as a large single file). Can the expunging be done asynchronously? >> - not sure if it's related, but "B m" to move stuff from a group/folder >> to another takes *ages* (as in several minutes), and I think most of >> this time is spent in Gnus trying to update its idea of the content of >> the destination group (after the actual move took place). > Huh. Hm... Actually, can you try the `nnimap-expunge' setting for > this, too? I'll try it out for a while and will tell you if it gets better, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 22:25:16 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 03:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjMuC-0000Gp-Jj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:25:16 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:53317) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjMu8-0000Gc-7g for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:25:14 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjMu0-00019k-Lj; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:25:04 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVUR0sXEhJMPkJENjpP LzNla31XU1tGMTbCs7w6KiyoVH34AAACTklEQVQ4jXWTPWsbQRCGhzsjcKcDJXDdsgsK6uQdbJgu hYq4dZCwOxGjI/4FwV2ahCt1tyEw/zbvzurkfDgDkk7Pu/OxM3PUv2rbLb0u9P3/he7QHXaHbvu3 UfcvK8Kgx9nhNYFj9wefIiAUzKQdHip22R9PRdh757rJcxd4pJqIZlVgHsYJd5cNbEmsOmjTLicM 3vb9x5+UZb05lLwdPlfNB9xvDWEs4GT71aLb3vd31LCfGSGXf2tJSHuxmZFwJJCZRwXO+Rh4WQ+I QqLsun3Fmpij8yyaXJUckapy5Pw/cp2GXIuvPTliGDRlDqzGm32IMWYPTaoSVAq+fvAI6qnVs4G2 n3GHUXzlqPmdv7HhtT4i+TBRBJqXqTYpRKuqnJ7O9/1VG72nF95Me/C1xRRMKOW8PW/IpQ8ON5+E M/+efPAvHvMzRys8m0fmCxvUfd9/y73w72ji06rsMk+c6BRolrdid9h9QjfvnlSYCn9P2faEnqVQ YwZoIhrUzI3TRsa0PQrzs/9CA/ii8FuVeONTzhHYcligC/ReNCZWydPMOX5YmMzrWsi4KEJtLjaw Z+XjUo/RBhdUqVlkvLlN17GWkSVfuHgUHuT+gQWjL6OeBGzD2GnEKrHtEb7JjiBqkrwTPDJfZsGK QIFojh3IDz7m94KCrHFWsuMp7+hXSXEPXocVy8oEsQ3DqZSIn3jUlQaTVFvBisAdQuAjIgcLZEu5 fhxzd7H3eakrydCWOzziy0OIbl2namX587tQO9wzETq8xHazpWSU50MIMsZfhq6DYZ6n8AcAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Simple Minds's _Life in a Day_: "Pleasantly Disturbed" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:25:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:45:14 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjMu0-00019k-Lj X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326511505.55193@PBhqWVDRZHCbfP/PlrznDw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: > AFAIK my use case is not completely unusual (typically connected via > a NAT router to my university's IMAP server) and I see this problem more > or less *every day*. > So I really hope you can try to fix this soon. > FWIW I never saw this problem with the old nnimap backend, so it's > a (very serious if you ask me) regression w.r.t Emacs-23. I've had a look at the nnimap in Emacs 23 to see whether I've missed something, but it looks to me like that nnimap did exactly the same thing as the Emacs 24 one does: `nnimap-request-set-mark' is called on group exit, and that's basically it. (Marks are also altered when you move messages and stuff, but for normal reading, `nnimap-request-set-mark' on group exit is the main thing.) So I don't understand how this has changed, really. > And I think it is related to the agent, because the connection death > would be handled differently without the agent: the connection would be > re-established and the command re-tried, whereas with the new > "connection death silently puts the agent in offline mode", the command > just gets dropped on the floor. Oh, yeah, that's a definite possibility. Did you use to get an "go offline?" query on group exit? In that case, that does sound like a definite possible culprit, and shouldn't be difficult to reproduce and fix... > That's probably what's going on (each folder is stored as a large single > file). Can the expunging be done asynchronously? Not fully without opening a second connection to the IMAP server. One could just send off the "EXPUNGE" and not wait for the result, but it means that the next IMAP command will have to wait instead, which will feel like random hangs... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 22:30:38 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 03:30:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47399 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjMzM-0000PB-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:30:36 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:52085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjMzD-0000Ow-RR for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:30:33 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjMz5-0001DZ-55; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:30:19 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVUR0sXEhJMPkJENjpP LzNla31XU1tGMTbCs7w6KiyoVH34AAACTklEQVQ4jXWTPWsbQRCGhzsjcKcDJXDdsgsK6uQdbJgu hYq4dZCwOxGjI/4FwV2ahCt1tyEw/zbvzurkfDgDkk7Pu/OxM3PUv2rbLb0u9P3/he7QHXaHbvu3 UfcvK8Kgx9nhNYFj9wefIiAUzKQdHip22R9PRdh757rJcxd4pJqIZlVgHsYJd5cNbEmsOmjTLicM 3vb9x5+UZb05lLwdPlfNB9xvDWEs4GT71aLb3vd31LCfGSGXf2tJSHuxmZFwJJCZRwXO+Rh4WQ+I QqLsun3Fmpij8yyaXJUckapy5Pw/cp2GXIuvPTliGDRlDqzGm32IMWYPTaoSVAq+fvAI6qnVs4G2 n3GHUXzlqPmdv7HhtT4i+TBRBJqXqTYpRKuqnJ7O9/1VG72nF95Me/C1xRRMKOW8PW/IpQ8ON5+E M/+efPAvHvMzRys8m0fmCxvUfd9/y73w72ji06rsMk+c6BRolrdid9h9QjfvnlSYCn9P2faEnqVQ YwZoIhrUzI3TRsa0PQrzs/9CA/ii8FuVeONTzhHYcligC/ReNCZWydPMOX5YmMzrWsi4KEJtLjaw Z+XjUo/RBhdUqVlkvLlN17GWkSVfuHgUHuT+gQWjL6OeBGzD2GnEKrHtEb7JjiBqkrwTPDJfZsGK QIFojh3IDz7m94KCrHFWsuMp7+hXSXEPXocVy8oEsQ3DqZSIn3jUlQaTVFvBisAdQuAjIgcLZEu5 fhxzd7H3eakrydCWOzziy0OIbl2namX587tQO9wzETq8xHazpWSU50MIMsZfhq6DYZ6n8AcAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Simple Minds's _Life in a Day_: "Wasteland" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:30:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:25:04 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjMz5-0001DZ-55 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326511819.58867@W/WABSpTG536+9XzocmRmw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Oh, yeah, that's a definite possibility. Did you use to get an "go > offline?" query on group exit? In that case, that does sound like a > definite possible culprit, and shouldn't be difficult to reproduce and > fix... I thought I could reproduce by (defun gnutls-available-p () t) entering an IMAP group, killing gnutls-cli and then exiting, but in that case Gnus just restarted a new connection and sent the marks over, unfortunately. Well, it's nice that it works :-), but it means that it's not that easy to reproduce... Hm. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 22:32:07 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 03:32:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjN0p-0000S1-LN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:32:07 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:52115) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjN0k-0000Rj-N0 for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:32:06 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjN0c-0001Fa-EH; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:31:54 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVUR0sXEhJMPkJENjpP LzNla31XU1tGMTbCs7w6KiyoVH34AAACTklEQVQ4jXWTPWsbQRCGhzsjcKcDJXDdsgsK6uQdbJgu hYq4dZCwOxGjI/4FwV2ahCt1tyEw/zbvzurkfDgDkk7Pu/OxM3PUv2rbLb0u9P3/he7QHXaHbvu3 UfcvK8Kgx9nhNYFj9wefIiAUzKQdHip22R9PRdh757rJcxd4pJqIZlVgHsYJd5cNbEmsOmjTLicM 3vb9x5+UZb05lLwdPlfNB9xvDWEs4GT71aLb3vd31LCfGSGXf2tJSHuxmZFwJJCZRwXO+Rh4WQ+I QqLsun3Fmpij8yyaXJUckapy5Pw/cp2GXIuvPTliGDRlDqzGm32IMWYPTaoSVAq+fvAI6qnVs4G2 n3GHUXzlqPmdv7HhtT4i+TBRBJqXqTYpRKuqnJ7O9/1VG72nF95Me/C1xRRMKOW8PW/IpQ8ON5+E M/+efPAvHvMzRys8m0fmCxvUfd9/y73w72ji06rsMk+c6BRolrdid9h9QjfvnlSYCn9P2faEnqVQ YwZoIhrUzI3TRsa0PQrzs/9CA/ii8FuVeONTzhHYcligC/ReNCZWydPMOX5YmMzrWsi4KEJtLjaw Z+XjUo/RBhdUqVlkvLlN17GWkSVfuHgUHuT+gQWjL6OeBGzD2GnEKrHtEb7JjiBqkrwTPDJfZsGK QIFojh3IDz7m94KCrHFWsuMp7+hXSXEPXocVy8oEsQ3DqZSIn3jUlQaTVFvBisAdQuAjIgcLZEu5 fhxzd7H3eakrydCWOzziy0OIbl2namX587tQO9wzETq8xHazpWSU50MIMsZfhq6DYZ6n8AcAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Simple Minds's _Life in a Day_: "Destiny" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:31:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:30:17 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjN0c-0001Fa-EH X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326511914.571@Yf3ZT4Wk4GaWf+42rjIiGw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > I thought I could reproduce by > > (defun gnutls-available-p () t) (defun gnutls-available-p () nil) I mean. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 22:44:50 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 03:44:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47409 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjND7-0000kj-OE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:44:50 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:44193) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjND4-0000kb-Pc for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:44:47 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjNCy-0001Pj-DH; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:44:40 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEVBTFw4RFNNVWSOlaAy NkIkJi8NWn0KAAACeklEQVQ4ja1TS47lIAw0Fm8PiOyNQ+9bry8QMmafRHD/q0wx6t18VoMSlMh2 UVU2FH9fbm30h0D8VyDQd7H7reLrL+t/BnTt+/e7lr7xIuAiqxjvn4+W+KiSayr+2ImdJcosx3YI ISmyeI1IMNUy2ELioGttj6Zde6LXkIYsIpdUoh6lMcL1pou2+agLgXxAyLMyLRDAlmmnZBdICeBl FSQlGiaxOyWm5EPJ6b01fqOO6lSV4FujoDiG8JP3t6sU8+VitlTufqq3oO+P+bw10zYiBKZ8FhSI yyDVB0AohuAalLTkzmaRX2MvM30JZZuWWHo4/KHlJOWnWj+/SNgFlOfBDhC1wbH9c86H+lVi5iQ4 NYexekwQqJ20QHCf0dlw1ha+ioOB0DGbQdm4WCLSYgtQ7wQusD21j1TE+hHfZRu3gjlRFAbWaKhO GY5bwhElU57DTZVsUFUHi81TUlwWO9ezS/4qyIyGBhRweXR187Zz9Wi7gM1UL/UD7oq+7uKCt0ty kjmSenRRK6mfC13DK0hPkCETRsD/pS3ffVioI4NafhaFodRIttP/6ucLhLherh/af9BdW06aLQiy GYzhSXF9UmBifxazNqMAymy5DxP7gTG51qjVEWPjnjBTZU0iRrfPRL6fAOttWT5O3Ql88D3NMrF+ TBgoHQCVbnfACjHK4NInNjXMu1KJZuixZhETsN76o8zrjGmwoSJ3haXbcSplXOfJvaU1fqxOZcB9 OUbgQTrygM/zrJpxAsz3LWrGzZpG6JXWQ+cEdy3ecKGU7iaSSnLzYFhj+caInrElZLMUWB9Xtr5G bF9lA1Fq8Gba4jStD+jNGHo8PwFhzaukIiiSlAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Fennesz, Sakamoto's _Flumina (1)_: "0318" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:44:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:31:53 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjNCy-0001Pj-DH X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326512680.61474@mtBrUT0p5JCvXhEJjRBgVQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) `gnus-agent-synchronize-flags' has defaulted to nil since 2005, but that means that marks that have been set while Gnus is offline won't propagate to the server automatically. The comment is ;; If the default switches to something else than nil, then the function ;; should be fixed not be exceedingly slow. See 2005-09-20 ChangeLog entry. but I tried it just now, and it isn't particularly slow. If no marks have been set, then it doesn't do anything much. I think the issue was that nntp (for some reason or other) had gotten backend marks switched on by default, which made things just slow beyond belief. But now that's not the case, so I think this should default to t. Anybody have any thoughts on this? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 10 14:57:18 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2012 19:57:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkhos-0004vJ-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:57:18 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:60859) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkhoq-0004vC-A6 for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:57:17 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0AJusFS026112; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:54 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1171EB40FA; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:54 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:25:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4097=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4097> : streams <718541> : uri <1044351> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) After (setq nnimap-expunge nil), the expiry that happens when I leave a group still takes a good while (I didn't notice any serious difference), but moving email from one IMAP folder to another with "B m" is *much* faster. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 18:35:44 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2012 23:35:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44139 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqCNT-0003KE-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:35:44 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:41453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqCNQ-0003K5-1w for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:35:41 -0500 Received: from 93-41-173-241.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.173.241] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqCMr-0003qL-4Q; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:35:05 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:35:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:53 -0500") Message-ID: <8762fzfja2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RqCMr-0003qL-4Q X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1328139305.42206@D5CiwNiql33odY6UZZ9k4Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: > After (setq nnimap-expunge nil), the expiry that happens when I leave > a group still takes a good while (I didn't notice any serious > difference), but moving email from one IMAP folder to another with "B m" > is *much* faster. That's kinda odd. They should either both be faster, or none, I'd have thought. Could you post the commands output into "*imap log*" upon group exit? Perhaps Gnus is sending way too many commands on exit or something... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 10 17:19:48 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 21:19:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49386 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHiTc-0007SU-Fr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:19:48 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33823) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHiTa-0007SM-86 for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:19:47 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHiSS-0000h0-QF; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:18:36 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: X-Now-Playing: Various's _Minimal Wave Tapes Volume 2_: "Subject - What Happened To You?" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:18:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:53 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1SHiSS-0000h0-QF X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1334697516.88854@cEdVUiwwzOOkfRtu1EyBcQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: > After (setq nnimap-expunge nil), the expiry that happens when I leave > a group still takes a good while (I didn't notice any serious > difference), but moving email from one IMAP folder to another with "B m" > is *much* faster. If this is with a big group, then this has been fixed in Ma Gnus, but the fix is not applicable for Emacs 24.1. It involves tracking what messages actually exist on the IMAP server, and not just the low/high water marks, and is kinda hairy. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 10 17:20:41 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 21:20:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHiUS-0007U7-Qz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:20:41 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33833) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHiUR-0007U0-6F for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:20:39 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHiTJ-0000hg-UR; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:19:29 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: X-Now-Playing: Various's _Minimal Wave Tapes Volume 2_: "Ohama - The Drum" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:19:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:53 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1SHiTJ-0000hg-UR X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1334697570.17636@nkSsuNwBdKBCrGwy0zhzEQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Anyway, looking over this bug report, I'm not sure we really got anywhere with the main issue here. Are you still seeing these discrepancies in article numbers? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 10 20:57:08 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Apr 2012 00:57:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49642 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHlrw-0008Mk-Gc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:57:08 -0400 Received: from ironport-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.143.162]:14299) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHlru-0008Mc-RW for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:57:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYIACxOgk+4rwGW/2dsb2JhbABDuCMDgQyBCIIJAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBwFtjKLYYR5BJZ9jUiBXYMD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,391,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="173172334" Received: from 184-175-1-150.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.1.150]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Apr 2012 20:56:02 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id AEB9059460; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:19:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > Anyway, looking over this bug report, I'm not sure we really got > anywhere with the main issue here. Are you still seeing these > discrepancies in article numbers? Oh, yes. Actually, I now see something similar with comp.lang.ml accessed via NNTP (additionally to the spam folder accessed over imap). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 05 14:07:35 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2012 18:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40894 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9K0l-0001bl-82 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:07:35 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:35646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9K0j-0001be-9b for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:07:34 -0400 Received: from ip-200-13-149-91.dialup.ice.net ([91.149.13.200] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9K0S-00022V-HR; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:07:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: X-Now-Playing: Isotope 217's _The Unstable Molecule_ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:07:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:01 -0400") Message-ID: <87k3w8tkby.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1T9K0S-00022V-HR X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1347473237.868@tk3UEz5k9P1E9A/pLfPHyg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: >> Anyway, looking over this bug report, I'm not sure we really got >> anywhere with the main issue here. Are you still seeing these >> discrepancies in article numbers? > > Oh, yes. Actually, I now see something similar with comp.lang.ml > accessed via NNTP (additionally to the spam folder accessed over imap). Discrepancies in NNTP groups are to be expected. NNTP just reports high/low article numbers, and spam removal bots may remove articles. So Gnus may believe that there are 20 new articles in the group, but upon entering the group, half may already be gone. There's nothing much nntp.el can do about that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 05 15:12:26 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2012 19:12:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41075 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9L1V-0006gx-Ur for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:12:26 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:64949) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9L1U-0006gr-CI for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:12:24 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6Zu09FxINJ/2dsb2JhbABEtBGBCIIVAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBwFugmQRAOjM4FYgwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="197594477" Received: from 69-196-131-73.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.131.73]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 Sep 2012 15:12:15 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4E719588E8; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: <87k3w8tkby.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:12:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87k3w8tkby.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:07:13 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > Discrepancies in NNTP groups are to be expected. NNTP just reports > high/low article numbers, and spam removal bots may remove articles. So > Gnus may believe that there are 20 new articles in the group, but upon > entering the group, half may already be gone. I know that. But what I'm describing is different: - `g' tells me N unread articles - then RET enters the group to discover there aren't any unread article - so I exit and hit `g' again - at which point Gnus tells me again that there are N (same N as before) unread articles. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 05 15:20:05 2012 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2012 19:20:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9L8u-0007if-UG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:20:05 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9L8r-0007iC-Qz for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:20:02 -0400 Received: from ip-200-13-149-91.dialup.ice.net ([91.149.13.200] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T9L8b-0003KU-8n; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:19:47 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: <87k3w8tkby.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Isotope 217's _The Unstable Molecule_ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:19:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:12:15 -0400") Message-ID: <87oblkp99y.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1T9L8b-0003KU-8n X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1347477587.46513@Nwy8VwqBmKGSuis84iZnJA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: > I know that. But what I'm describing is different: > - `g' tells me N unread articles > - then RET enters the group to discover there aren't any unread article > - so I exit and hit `g' again > - at which point Gnus tells me again that there are N (same N as before) > unread articles. Aha. Hm. One thing that I think may have that effect is if the Agent is really wonky, for some reason or other. When this happens next time, can you have a peek in ~/News/agent/nntp//agent.lib/active and see whether the data for the group in question looks reasonable? I'm just guessing, though... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 30 18:05:27 2014 Received: (at 9243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2014 23:05:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W90fj-0001cP-Kf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:05:27 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W90fe-0001cE-3V for 9243@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:05:22 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W90fM-0001q9-Ae; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 00:05:00 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam References: <87k3w8tkby.fsf@gnus.org> <87oblkp99y.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:04:11 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87oblkp99y.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:19:37 +0200") Message-ID: <87mwidcbro.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1W90fM-0001q9-Ae X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1391727901.30209@u7RweQQOpqMPn4TEdiSIGA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243 Cc: 9243@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> I know that. But what I'm describing is different: >> - `g' tells me N unread articles >> - then RET enters the group to discover there aren't any unread article >> - so I exit and hit `g' again >> - at which point Gnus tells me again that there are N (same N as before) >> unread articles. > > Aha. Hm. > > One thing that I think may have that effect is if the Agent is really > wonky, for some reason or other. > > When this happens next time, can you have a peek in > > ~/News/agent/nntp//agent.lib/active > > and see whether the data for the group in question looks reasonable? > > I'm just guessing, though... Has this problem resolved itself, or are you still seeing it? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 31 08:58:16 2014 Received: (at 9243-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2014 13:58:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42444 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Ebn-0006EY-Ej for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:58:15 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:64727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Ebh-0006ED-IL for 9243-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:58:10 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFHO+J67/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOIYZwZgV6DFQ X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFHO+J67/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOIYZwZgV6DFQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="46488541" Received: from 206-248-158-187.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.158.187]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 31 Jan 2014 08:58:08 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 83CEE6011E; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:58:08 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#9243: 24.0.50; Gnus keeps seeing 101 unread spam Message-ID: References: <87k3w8tkby.fsf@gnus.org> <87oblkp99y.fsf@gnus.org> <87mwidcbro.fsf@building.gnus.org> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:58:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87mwidcbro.fsf@building.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:04:11 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9243-done Cc: 9243-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Has this problem resolved itself, or are you still seeing it? Hmm... I've stopped looking at that folder, to be honest. Let's close it for now, Stefan From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:25:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator