From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:49 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#9209 <9209@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#9209 <9209@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: bidi slowdown Reply-To: bug#9209 <9209@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 11:59:49 +0000 retitle 9209 bidi slowdown reassign 9209 emacs submitter 9209 emacs user severity 9209 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 30 22:35:51 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2011 02:35:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsb-0000Rw-Vu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsZ-0000Rp-Gv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsG-0007VJ-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:53954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsG-0007VF-TL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52407) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsF-0005HY-Vg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsF-0007Uz-5u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:27 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:65511) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnLsE-0007Ui-VG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:27 -0400 Received: by wwf22 with SMTP id 22so3730870wwf.30 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:35:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fA3vwBHdrvSDzMxEkqEc8FJu8uJZyFve8sg3UoangSc=; b=si7ob4bgKmHQLjhv3rNgM30EZuZeIYu/XsUZvRv4zfj4GPHBji1QBv+EyTSAd9lvi0 YZmiRYayfifp3lPAQPdZqh8VoNJ2Nd+Zutmp2tAovqOgD6DmsiNNN1Xur4ZC3yaJFVKM JixbDsU4L1AWdPLwcu+skOkF9HON/Qj4OWu98= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.165.202 with SMTP id j10mr2247675wby.18.1312079725139; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.11 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: bidi slowdown From: emacs user To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) when using vm, I still see significant slowdowns in cursor motion in the vm-summary buffer when bidi is on. this is with a 3000+ lines long buffer with the summary of the messages in the inbox. please let me know if there is any additional information I can provide. 2011-07-22 Eli Zaretskii Fix a significant slow-down of cursor motion with C-n, C-p, C-f/C-b, and C-v/M-v that couldn't keep up with keyboard auto-repeat under bidi redisplay in fontified buffers. 2011-07-28 Eli Zaretskii * buffer.c (init_buffer_once): Set bidi-display-reordering to t by default. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-apple-darwin11.0.0, NS apple-appkit-1138.00) of 2011-07-29 on dhcp-10-249-70-250.xx.edu Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1138 configured using `configure '--with-ns' '--without-x'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 30 23:03:48 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2011 03:03:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnMJg-00015P-B8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:03:48 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnMJd-00015F-Mo for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:03:46 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LP600200G146600@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:03:30 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.48.51]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LP600223GHT6O10@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:03:30 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:03:43 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: emacs user Message-id: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:35:25 -0400 > From: emacs user > > when using vm, I still see significant slowdowns in cursor motion in > the vm-summary buffer when bidi is on. this is with a 3000+ lines > long buffer with the summary of the messages in the inbox. please let > me know if there is any additional information I can provide. Yes, I need an example of the buffer text. Also, does it matter whether point is near the beginning or the end of the buffer (or in any other particular place)? In general, the bidi display _is_ slower, because it does more, but I hope to get it to be tolerable. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 31 02:23:15 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2011 06:23:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnPQh-0005Zb-Ez for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:23:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnPQf-0005ZU-NQ for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:23:14 -0400 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnPQQ-000196-JO; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:22:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:22:58 -0400 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii To: emacs user In-reply-to: (message from emacs user on Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:00:26 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Please keep 9209@debbugs.gnu.org on the CC list, so that this discussion gets recorded in the bug tracker. > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:00:26 -0400 > From: emacs user > > I checked and it's perfectly OK near the beginning of the buffer, and > very slow near the end. OK. Next, please tell which cursor keys are slow to respond. Are C-f and C-b slow? Are left and right arrow significantly slower than C-f and C-b? What about C-n/C-p resp up- and down-arrows? Finally, what about PageUp/PageDown and C-v/M-v? Please also try setting the variable bidi-paragraph-direction to left-to-right, and see if that solves the problem. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 31 05:50:24 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2011 09:50:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnSfA-0001kR-35 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:50:24 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnSf7-0001kK-Mp for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:50:22 -0400 Received: by wwf25 with SMTP id 25so4670425wwf.15 for <9209@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:50:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+t8CKdFi0N/BQ4LYHO3BZVgJIVkyx0zpZeM3hpp+rZY=; b=lSXG3BHZUMTmYZ9cAxJ9fT6ESETS/Ts2FtSiQBSE0ngekfXIobcTP01nPIPjWANdTu RoIVddArsC98vwkcfmnCXaS88ZQfnKDceVPTwRLNrVeqzTXG2u53uBnEHL6Qakf569MM VKoE1ZaiAQp5vLNnDN5TUVCbSEB6//mw6ybPg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.32.74 with SMTP id b10mr2702595wbd.33.1312105805258; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.11 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:50:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown From: emacs user To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) it seems that c-p is slower than c-f, c-b and c-n, M-v and c-v which are all also slow. setting bidi-paragraph-direction to left-to-right does seem to fix the problem. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 2:22 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Please keep 9209@debbugs.gnu.org on the CC list, so that this > discussion gets recorded in the bug tracker. > >> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:00:26 -0400 >> From: emacs user >> >> I checked and it's perfectly OK near the beginning of the buffer, and >> very slow near the end. > > OK. =A0Next, please tell which cursor keys are slow to respond. =A0Are C-= f > and C-b slow? =A0Are left and right arrow significantly slower than C-f > and C-b? =A0What about C-n/C-p resp up- and down-arrows? =A0Finally, what > about PageUp/PageDown and C-v/M-v? > > Please also try setting the variable bidi-paragraph-direction to > left-to-right, and see if that solves the problem. > > Thanks. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 31 06:04:27 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2011 10:04:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnSsk-00023k-KG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:04:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnSsi-00023d-8a for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:04:25 -0400 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnSsS-0006ql-9z; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:04:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:04:08 -0400 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii To: emacs user In-reply-to: (message from emacs user on Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:50:05 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:50:05 -0400 > From: emacs user > Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org > > it seems that c-p is slower than c-f, c-b and c-n, M-v and c-v which > are all also slow. setting bidi-paragraph-direction to left-to-right > does seem to fix the problem. Thanks. What is the name of the vm summary buffer? Is that name fixed when vm is used? I think bidi-paragraph-direction should be automatically set to left-to-right. The question (being discussed on emacs-devel) is how to do that, given that vm is not bundled with Emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 31 17:01:11 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2011 21:01:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnd8I-0004IK-9X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:01:11 -0400 Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnd8D-0004IA-Bt for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:01:06 -0400 Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so1196388wyj.3 for <9209@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hy8BG1KgtPIm2y7USQnK7bMITJUn0VKGD9dMOg7Vd7I=; b=hFjSDo3Rd3vGLV4bKM14g8BWhB6/9gXd6eAyBdCYb8lHpEf/6oUK/ou4Ep0kPrTlUs 4GPf5juQuXOGjLENwRgT+bg5AEM4qtTHJrYVL7N6hMZxDoX1Kh5SPcmPZu99AgFApNrj /VnP8qLl675RxaFLLiLSzAvP3QatmKxSt1/yw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.79.18 with SMTP id h18mr33508wee.3.1312146046215; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.11 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown From: emacs user To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: "Uday S. Reddy" , 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:50:05 -0400 >> From: emacs user >> Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> it seems that c-p is slower than c-f, c-b and c-n, M-v and c-v which >> are all also slow. =A0setting bidi-paragraph-direction to left-to-right >> does seem to fix the problem. > > Thanks. > > What is the name of the vm summary buffer? =A0Is that name fixed when vm > is used? it is INBOX-summary where INBOX is the inbox file name, so it varies among = users > > I think bidi-paragraph-direction should be automatically set to > left-to-right. =A0The question (being discussed on emacs-devel) is how > to do that, given that vm is not bundled with Emacs. perhaps Uday can help...? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 00:52:01 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 04:52:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo6xU-0002NF-M5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:52:01 -0400 Received: from sun60.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.137]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnzcg-0006KS-MT for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:02:04 -0400 Received: from [147.188.128.127] (helo=bham.ac.uk) by sun60.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QnzcG-0006k6-PL; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:01:36 +0100 Received: from mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.192.53]) by bham.ac.uk (envelope-from ) with esmtp (Exim 4.72) id 1QnzcG-0002Rn-FO using interface smart1.bham.ac.uk; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:01:36 +0100 Received: from gromit.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.193.16] helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1QnzcB-0005ny-Fs; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:01:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:01:34 +0100 From: Uday Reddy To: emacs user Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-Reply-To: References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0a under 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:52:00 -0400 Cc: "Uday S. Reddy" , Eli Zaretskii , 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) emacs user writes: > > What is the name of the vm summary buffer=3F =A0Is that name fixed = when vm > > is used=3F >=20 > it is INBOX-summary where INBOX is the inbox file name, so it varies = among > users=20 The default name is " Summary" > > > > I think bidi-paragraph-direction should be automatically set to > > left-to-right. =A0The question (being discussed on emacs-devel) is = how > > to do that, given that vm is not bundled with Emacs. >=20 > perhaps Uday can help...=3F >=20 There is of course the `vm-summary-mode-hook'. You can set various thi= ngs there. Cheers, Uday From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 01:43:07 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 05:43:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo7kx-0003Zw-Bg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 01:43:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo7kv-0003Zq-SN for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 01:43:06 -0400 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo7kU-0002IY-Q0; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 01:42:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 01:42:38 -0400 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii To: Uday Reddy In-reply-to: <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (message from Uday Reddy on Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:01:34 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, user.emacs@gmail.com, 9209@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:01:34 +0100 > From: Uday Reddy > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, > "Uday S. Reddy" > > > > I think bidi-paragraph-direction should be automatically set to > > > left-to-right.  The question (being discussed on emacs-devel) is how > > > to do that, given that vm is not bundled with Emacs. > > > > perhaps Uday can help...? > > > > There is of course the `vm-summary-mode-hook'. You can set various things > there. Would it make sense for VM to do that automatically as part of preparing the summary buffer, i.e. as part of vm-summary-mode? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 15:04:44 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 19:04:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoKGi-0000Mv-0c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:04:44 -0400 Received: from queueout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.56]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoKGg-0000Mo-F4 for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110802183757.PIUM3933.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:37:57 +0100 Received: from [92.232.137.113] (helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QoJqn-000457-3A; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:37:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:37:55 +0100 From: Uday S Reddy To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-Reply-To: References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0a under 23.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QZxFlFzSyQqG2tvRCrQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, user.emacs@gmail.com, Uday Reddy X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Would it make sense for VM to do that automatically as part of > preparing the summary buffer, i.e. as part of vm-summary-mode? Sure. At the moment, unibyte/multibyte settings are done when a buffer is created. We could do set other things similarly. What needs to be done? set bidi-paragraph-direction to 'left-to-right? Can't the effect be achieved by doing setq-default initially? Cheers, Uday From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 15:33:32 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 19:33:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoKia-0001vC-BS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:33:32 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoKiY-0001v5-FO for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:33:31 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LPB00300FK8YW00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:33:00 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.48.51]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LPB003Q2FMXFKD0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:32:58 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:30:56 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-reply-to: <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Uday S Reddy Message-id: <83r553a9vz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, user.emacs@gmail.com, usr.vm.rocks@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:37:55 +0100 > From: Uday S Reddy > Cc: Uday Reddy , > user.emacs@gmail.com, > 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, > u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk > > What needs to be done? set bidi-paragraph-direction to 'left-to-right? Yes, in the summary buffer. > Can't the effect be achieved by doing setq-default initially? You mean, for all of Emacs? It's possible we will do just that, but even so VM should not rely on that, because some user could revert the default setting. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 16:11:31 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 20:11:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLJL-0002rL-Id for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:11:31 -0400 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLJJ-0002rD-74 for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:11:30 -0400 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110802201058.YELS2720.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:10:58 +0100 Received: from [92.232.137.113] (helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLIn-0001eM-TU; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:10:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20024.22992.359000.255762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:10:56 +0100 From: Uday S Reddy To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-Reply-To: <83r553a9vz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83r553a9vz.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0a under 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=g2cNvBvsRuUvi9uo3-0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: Uday S Reddy , 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, user.emacs@gmail.com, usr.vm.rocks@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > > What needs to be done? set bidi-paragraph-direction to 'left-to-right? > > Yes, in the summary buffer. Ok, Eli, please try the revision 882 in the 8.2.x branch. Cheers, Uday From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 19:26:22 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 23:26:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoOLt-00089z-LV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:26:21 -0400 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoOLm-00089i-Or for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:26:20 -0400 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110802232538.CWRC3933.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:25:38 +0100 Received: from [92.232.137.113] (helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QoOLC-00046v-OV; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 00:25:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20024.34672.718000.279450@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:25:36 +0100 From: Uday Reddy To: Uday S Reddy Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-Reply-To: <20024.22992.359000.255762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83r553a9vz.fsf@gnu.org> <20024.22992.359000.255762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0a under 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=0fjOS2GqG2z6ujkuO7QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, user.emacs@gmail.com, usr.vm.rocks@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Uday S Reddy writes: > Ok, Eli, please try the revision 882 in the 8.2.x branch. Oops, I meant "emacs user" above. Uday From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 08 21:00:08 2011 Received: (at 9209) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2011 01:00:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqafv-0004yy-PI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:00:08 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqafr-0004yI-Ij for 9209@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:00:04 -0400 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2789152wwf.15 for <9209@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=H+19FxJzCYAgYCqiJsJnmHD8PbWprV4kxSDHT1dCt48=; b=WnIQ/OCzhh8bBg6jEtzRKJILLbO9ae2EK5VoCWCKktzYHADyyKWF0K6dx/KTH0uNw6 nPatleyIdSIbStY7qkRnHiN5h/3jmTiKC2aTLYTCdzPC0gb/Y1M5mtBoxf2F7X4bkXxc OEDK4mx76p8hliCCz6LD3VIhpK7MsZRkfSzhY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.163.133 with SMTP id a5mr3445900wel.58.1312851537698; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.205.159 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20024.22992.359000.255762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83r553a9vz.fsf@gnu.org> <20024.22992.359000.255762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:58:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown From: emacs user To: Uday S Reddy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 9209@debbugs.gnu.org, usr.vm.rocks@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) sorry for the delay. when using the version of vm suggested by Uday, the slowness is gone and things work fine (thanks Uday!). if I do describe variable in the summary buffer I get: bidi-paragraph-direction is a variable defined in `C source code'. Its value is left-to-right Local in buffer RMAIL Summary; global value is nil BTW, bidi in emacs is an absolutely wonderful addition, thanks for doing this...! cheers, E On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Uday S Reddy wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> > What needs to be done? set bidi-paragraph-direction to 'left-to-right? >> >> Yes, in the summary buffer. > > Ok, Eli, please try the revision 882 in the 8.2.x branch. > > Cheers, > Uday > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 08 22:57:23 2011 Received: (at 9209-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2011 02:57:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqcVO-0007ev-3L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:57:23 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqcVL-0007el-Gr for 9209-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:57:20 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LPN00700405JI00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 9209-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 05:56:12 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.94.185]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LPN007J045NIR20@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 05:56:12 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 05:56:12 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#9209: bidi slowdown In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: emacs user Message-id: <83liv3z41f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8362mjcfsg.fsf@gnu.org> <20023.5166.609000.970390@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20024.17411.703000.136168@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83r553a9vz.fsf@gnu.org> <20024.22992.359000.255762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9209-done Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, 9209-done@debbugs.gnu.org, usr.vm.rocks@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:58:57 -0600 > From: emacs user > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , usr.vm.rocks@gmail.com, 9209@debbugs.gnu.org > > sorry for the delay. when using the version of vm suggested by Uday, > the slowness is gone and things work fine (thanks Uday!). if I do > describe variable in the summary buffer I get: > > bidi-paragraph-direction is a variable defined in `C source code'. > Its value is left-to-right > Local in buffer RMAIL Summary; global value is nil Thanks. So I'm hereby closing this bug report. > BTW, bidi in emacs is an absolutely wonderful addition, thanks for > doing this...! cheers, E Thank you. From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:49 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator