From unknown Fri Aug 15 16:56:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9096: Don't clear the echo area automatically at every command execution Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 9096 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 9096@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131080943711680 (code B ref -1); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:44:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 09:43:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1Ph-00032L-GT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1Pf-00032A-VF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1Pa-0002vU-1e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:50847) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1Pa-0002vQ-02 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41103) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1PY-00079X-Sv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1PY-0002vB-2H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:48 -0400 Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52]:41227) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi1PX-0002un-SI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:43:47 -0400 Received: by fxd18 with SMTP id 18so3331080fxd.39 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:43:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=D2gTeQ2kKGD3Ym9oPttxCKONf/PKDgHllXVJ3dm4GbU=; b=uNdmLJmIafV9yB/Jg/xYh8A4IYvkKck2h3E9P+F27DRbFxkSN4VU/usGMh6mtyFyTt /8gwCE4jpCy/lA4iDzly218QofvANdSeDD4GouvooW5p+b9cKCMLL6wu8R8Bqo6FTT91 i3d+ihlDsp/BHsq6deVR9mAL2Ul6PbkKFupAk= Received: by 10.223.5.212 with SMTP id 20mr6867315faw.40.1310809426526; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (176.119.broadband10.iol.cz [90.177.119.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm1364617fam.8.2011.07.16.02.43.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 02:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:39:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87aaceef92.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) emacs -Q (message "Hello") C-p =3D> The message disappears, although C-p does not use minibuffer/echo area in any way. I've always found this behaviour annoying and counter-productive. It often happens that I don't even notice a message because of this. If someone actually likes the current behaviour, could we at least have an option to prevent commands from clearing the echo area until necessary? =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 20 18:56:26 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2011 22:56:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QuuSo-0005Wo-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:56:26 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QuuSm-0005Wh-0G for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:56:24 -0400 Received: from furball ([64.134.100.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7KMsAYZ008922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:54:11 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 9096 wishlist Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:54:09 -0400 Message-ID: <87ty9bitim.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) severity 9096 wishlist thanks From unknown Fri Aug 15 16:56:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9096: Don't clear the echo area automatically at every command execution Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 16:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9096 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Cc: 9096@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9096-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9096.157011939430038 (code B ref 9096); Thu, 03 Oct 2019 16:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 9096) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2019 16:16:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40916 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iG3mL-0007oD-Gs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:16:33 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:51176) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iG3mI-0007ll-TN for 9096@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:16:31 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iG3mF-0001AG-RB; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:16:30 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87aaceef92.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:16:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87aaceef92.fsf@gmail.com> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?="'s message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:39:21 +0200") Message-ID: <874l0piz38.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= writes: > emacs -Q > (message "Hello") > C-p > > => The message disappears, although C-p does not use minibuffer/echo > area in any way. > > I've always found this behaviour annoying and counter-productive. I [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n N=C4=9Bmec writes: > emacs -Q > (message "Hello") > C-p > > =3D> The message disappears, although C-p does not use minibuffer/echo > area in any way. > > I've always found this behaviour annoying and counter-productive. It > often happens that I don't even notice a message because of this. > > If someone actually likes the current behaviour, could we at least have > an option to prevent commands from clearing the echo area until > necessary? I think that would be very confusing -- you'd have old, outdated messages in the echo area basically forever (i.e., until the next message). So I'm closing this as a "wontfix". --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 03 12:16:38 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2019 16:16:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iG3mP-0007sJ-Vp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:16:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:51192) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iG3mN-0007pE-3p for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:16:36 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iG3mK-0001AP-Bh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:16:34 +0200 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:16:32 +0200 Message-Id: <8736g9iz33.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #9096 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 9096 wontfix close 9096 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 9096 wontfix close 9096 quit From unknown Fri Aug 15 16:56:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#9096: Don't clear the echo area automatically at every command execution Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 16:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9096 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 9096@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 9096-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9096.15701203619884 (code B ref 9096); Thu, 03 Oct 2019 16:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 9096) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2019 16:32:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iG41x-0002ZM-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:32:41 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f47.google.com ([209.85.221.47]:40713) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iG41v-0002ZA-Mq for 9096@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:32:40 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f47.google.com with SMTP id l3so3447472wru.7 for <9096@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lo1jZdqTE4k4vtGBJvnn/PIbwbF9kQyfH35TgiduNLU=; b=ltcA5awyA7EBIxDdLyYZAft2Nhz3FJhDVhsFpsF4VCexIU63hBT9G2TVFaehyH7bOu xyAESr1qP3kVIhzRQ1FbFzht4msajTmW1wLDBRSHqvNyj6NFFLX3MI5l+3XazzMY0uXX oGPeDI7GsZducrpkbqKsR1R249/y6Ut4skb5vLro3ZLlfyf16jZ6zwFC2Gg724K87DEt 295fyJ7ZzpowPlYeIXJyAsILgdwWTTOLRzA8wBTAImetEW1QBCjOwkpxKQ+3g3KuPzVj qzq/OESVdTp+PhgwZE7zMpAhGzrIm6QOyRM2yZ1IcNAl47gXWJyeuzZHS+ZCAILV3Bcp m5tw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lo1jZdqTE4k4vtGBJvnn/PIbwbF9kQyfH35TgiduNLU=; b=OWOOQUGS9pFxOPeMIGFF9KzXV81Ulnp9lrxBH/98qzbEb0nMNvq24wlSOCKcRxWrg8 CkrB3TiUhHL86T7zN+liLo8jHYyYvy0C4zNfU69g6uq/s5K/DQpUQLFQbbYRKYpvLHLL nxPYM74pv5gVq4rvRAZJe+mfej6Tbn8p1jhLIJYyElyBLnwKpUQq+dAYvnzbfDJXjOD5 7NoFqMfJctNKWMejT8EB8lK0QoV44t8REiDADY//BH+Cjh4wohkNUHC3nJFnHNx7CWUi jiyqfLVo0ZZlg3KQIs/ySHGVGwH9V2EVhXD2+AdpxVIJ5jDFThWckLUPkdFxy5c/uDiq OPcA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUR9C2a7D/xmABx0S916GRAFVmP9lyKPX1neldwToISeLD4X2/T OFtmwicDbzOdAaI7Zf1L1ek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwxm00raViOhjW9/M8OhrSSPe8B0tRC0/BlG3iE8faakctqeDHGYLyVvC2cD85GXD+WrYVmUg== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f503:: with SMTP id q3mr3503585wro.295.1570120353796; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([185.112.167.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q22sm3313377wmj.31.2019.10.03.09.32.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= In-Reply-To: <874l0piz38.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87aaceef92.fsf@gmail.com> <874l0piz38.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.29.1 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:32:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87ftk9hjrz.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:16:27 +0200 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I think that would be very confusing -- you'd have old, outdated > messages in the echo area basically forever (i.e., until the next > message). Yes, over the years I've come to the same conclusion (and have forgotten I have reported this in the meantime, sorry...). I still see other people make this request occasionally, but it would probably be better addressed by other improvements to the echo message functionality, e.g. as suggested on emacs-devel recently (easier redisplay of last/older messages, "intelligent stacking" of messages closely following one another etc.) > So I'm closing this as a "wontfix". Thanks. --=20 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n