From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:09:12 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#8947 <8947@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#8947 <8947@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions Reply-To: bug#8947 <8947@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 12:09:12 +0000 retitle 8947 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode = descriptions reassign 8947 emacs submitter 8947 "Drew Adams" severity 8947 normal tag 8947 unreproducible confirmed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 27 18:42:19 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2011 22:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVX-0000nq-3L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVU-0000nc-4F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVN-0004xN-Pu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:10 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:60483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVN-0004xJ-DN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51273) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVL-0003KZ-S8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVK-0004x3-BZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:07 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:43207) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbKVJ-0004ws-UG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:42:06 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p5RMg2ds017817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:42:04 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5RMg2b4002571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:42:02 GMT Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5RMfvS2030338 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:41:57 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:41:56 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acw1G2xaX9zWdRc5QSimXJyFJas9cg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4E09073C.00D1:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) This bug seems to date from the first day that `describe-mode' included minor-mode information. emacs -Q Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' in *Help*. The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." `<' and `>' here should be `M-<' and `M->'. The bug happens because `help-mode-map' is being used to interpret `\\[beginning-of-buffer]' and `\\[end-of-buffer]'. In the *Help* buffer, where the text is used, the current keymap is being picked up, where these commands are bound to `<' and `>'. Note that the problem isn't manifested for something like `C-h f transient-mark-mode'. In that case the bindings picked up are those of the current buffer where the command is issued. If you do that in *Help* then you get `<' and `>'. If you do it in *.el then you get `M-<' and `M->'. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-06-27 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/build/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 10 00:08:54 2014 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 05:08:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCj70-00081Y-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:08:54 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCj6y-00081Q-Ck for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:08:53 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCj6j-0006ST-MG; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:08:38 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:07:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:41:59 -0700") Message-ID: <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCj6j-0006ST-MG X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392613718.3888@nytHDI8wO4Ht0iW0nX9vwg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' in *Help*. > The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: > > "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." > > `<' and `>' here should be `M-<' and `M->'. The bug happens because > `help-mode-map' is being used to interpret `\\[beginning-of-buffer]' > and `\\[end-of-buffer]'. In the *Help* buffer, where the text is > used, the current keymap is being picked up, where these commands > are bound to `<' and `>'. This bug still exists in Emacs 24.3. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 10 00:09:00 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 05:09:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCj76-00081u-NQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:09:00 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCj74-00081m-Lz for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:08:59 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCj6p-0006Sb-LQ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:08:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:07:30 -0800 Message-Id: <87mwhz8sj1.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8947 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCj6p-0006Sb-LQ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392613725.0854@cglX2mPHQS374TlDrTYaSQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 8947 confirmed From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 07:05:01 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 11:05:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51301 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avjkf-0005YT-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 07:05:01 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:35392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avjkb-0005YH-2x for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 07:04:56 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avjk3-0001H0-JY; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:04:52 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:04:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:07:24 -0800") Message-ID: <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > "Drew Adams" writes: > >> Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' in *Help*. >> The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: >> >> "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." >> >> `<' and `>' here should be `M-<' and `M->'. The bug happens because >> `help-mode-map' is being used to interpret `\\[beginning-of-buffer]' >> and `\\[end-of-buffer]'. In the *Help* buffer, where the text is >> used, the current keymap is being picked up, where these commands >> are bound to `<' and `>'. > > This bug still exists in Emacs 24.3. Here's a shorter test case: (progn (describe-function 'transient-mark-mode) (with-current-buffer (get-buffer "*Help*") (revert-buffer))) After answering "y", the `M-'s will go missing before the `<' and '>'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 14:32:15 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 18:32:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60982 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awwA7-0001fv-P9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:32:15 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:40475) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awwA2-0001fd-Ui for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:32:10 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aww9y-00018e-9Y; Sun, 01 May 2016 20:32:06 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 20:32:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:04:19 +0200") Message-ID: <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Here's a shorter test case: > > (progn > (describe-function 'transient-mark-mode) > (with-current-buffer (get-buffer "*Help*") > (revert-buffer))) > > After answering "y", the `M-'s will go missing before the `<' and '>'. Hm... well, after fiddling with this a bit more, I see that it's describing all these minor mode bindings in the context of the buffer you were in when you called the description command. I think that's correct. If you have these commands bound to `<' etc in that mode, then that is what the help command will say. So the form above will give different results when run from, say, *scratch* and from a special mode, and that's fine. Closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 14:32:15 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 18:32:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awwAB-0001g3-Ec for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:32:15 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:40482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awwA7-0001fo-Da for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:32:11 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awwA5-00018m-A5 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 20:32:10 +0200 Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 20:32:08 +0200 Message-Id: <874mahzl1z.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8947 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 8947 wontfix close 8947 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 16:06:25 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 20:06:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxdJ-000779-Ez for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 16:06:25 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:28457) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxdI-00076v-9r for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 16:06:24 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u41K6HFi014017 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 20:06:18 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u41K6Hnj014579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 20:06:17 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u41K6EQk018274; Sun, 1 May 2016 20:06:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Hm... well, after fiddling with this a bit more, I see that it's > describing all these minor mode bindings in the context of the buffer > you were in when you called the description command. I think that's > correct. If you have these commands bound to `<' etc in that mode, then > that is what the help command will say. >=20 > So the form above will give different results when run from, say, > *scratch* and from a special mode, and that's fine. Closing. One of us is missing something, I think. The recipe I gave was this: emacs -Q =20 Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ in *Help*. The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: =20 "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." And I explained the cause: The doc for `transient-mark-mode' is being picked up after *Help* has become the current buffer. That is not the correct behavior. It is NOT being picked up from "the context of the buffer you were in when you called the description command". That's exactly what the bug is: it is NOT behaving as you claim it is. It is showing you `transient-mark-mode' bindings for `Help' mode, not for `Emacs-Lisp' mode, which was the mode of the buffer where you hit `C-h m'. This should not have been closed, or else I am truly missing something. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 16:20:38 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 20:20:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxr3-0007QV-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 16:20:37 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:59953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxr2-0007QI-1Q for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 16:20:36 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.122.112]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mhljf-1bIdbf1llz-00MtLN; Sun, 01 May 2016 22:20:24 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 22:20:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 1 May 2016 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87y47tbke1.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OYYjhREMPYRS5/fj90K8Xx7WlSGjkbr4TOXrR5SAWJKdniQFd3f lS9rvmNORIdg/JpUKI0lIxR8nUrJtQ0rxwL5383SLqAQvlF3NCFtZC3zb03lesJhFfv9qdj wleqA6rSNtjv7r25GXaozF1sf4gb8ghCulXsBhlKCweSJWAAyEpVwFrFmwgbTZkSkIXU1Rz ivRmswEWVJgn8MUgCk3yA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+WPKiXSqFlo=:rLzEtJQhOdhiooC8s4kqL1 Z9gkIbSICwzLnennQzc/+hDUVkUF/MwA+O6tbTOx+5fWiEZXFLdRoHsdCEyJyNSPErleSsK3Y 9fdrLOW99u+zm6ApCauDnxVegD4zH2kO20Z2SpQWPAcBSfWL0EKuvx4qIrp8RYBFkgKeZI7T/ I0l1fgRW/BTpsLKoBm3tLuGKJt8iU6IsJk93nez4kJTXXGejsdPOC6ejVCpzX9dcjKTViz/tI OzJOXNYREGZx3qJEP8nDIb5m/h0+93GmheotpBXL07fxx6Z82DXzNLYXVGGlMiZyEeiI9w0Do k/jBrBlD9i2UYBq+4lMuBuDFWrhA5yovMFvedtRlcc39SeKoJ2uleVAahR2GM8u4jF+JWISbM TW0ZvCyxOYG6PpT0iTPQGAu+6PGXhIHwmzMXxMkhW8QCZ5PGYrjP+7a3R6oo/LFcPEtwXK+ww r05yR2ed15WJZ7jCtceR9E+tHmQssJXIEJh9Mi6Xc1vjhUmk5zvqu71jG43XToEOuCkXmpN91 V19+K7MsWSpZBsUR8Fb5W9AuOh8M0GrHVDY509XR54i6ipibQrzgWkTfITLCrSbKWdRUgyo4D 3qYIctBHsNe0f8b2O7b78yZG+VdGAaiPBWzma/divh/IaXEwOCmr7z9nCFQioyMfudhwsTTTc WhPMhMcyLau/0b36HL8qtq5TIs9yKALuMRscCpxCJ8T5SCsuQfLufQf9Z6d+4QJlk9bTd8lhb ghweo+phyWkVbD1FBh6Wp3oOhahSaCqGEEZ0yFcQTCMpe0SlQodf38xOQnmWp7LWlnuC3+WW6 FcZCH6m X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > The recipe I gave was this: > > emacs -Q > > Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > in *Help*. The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: > > "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." > > And I explained the cause: The doc for `transient-mark-mode' > is being picked up after *Help* has become the current buffer. > That is not the correct behavior. I agree. I can reproduce this, and your explanation makes sense. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 01 16:23:28 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 20:23:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxto-0007WN-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 16:23:28 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:41071) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxtm-0007W4-LM for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 16:23:26 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awxtk-00023C-5c; Sun, 01 May 2016 22:23:26 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 22:23:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 1 May 2016 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > One of us is missing something, I think. > > The recipe I gave was this: > > emacs -Q > > Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > in *Help*. The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: > > "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." Hm, so it does. Reopening. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:09:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 20:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 21 00:13:13 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2016 04:13:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42834 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxRCg-0006jp-1J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:13:13 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]:36974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxRCb-0006jH-98 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:13:08 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m138so139171697itm.0 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:13:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=1mPpaUkG4r4/Yj0K18AR7iTyjNjsi5c3Q42YP0EuMN8=; b=t0BEnm9biJJNvFPRH6vEComn9hNb6OIt+wxHq4c4e3PDfQCy2Rh/Q/KeT2nKz7LMF8 20fG5z8F6JrWrI+4gxyEVgFCZs2b1SOFLEv4rHosoFrQVr5ANo+ZXyNRp+LUrS67pvK9 /C2Y8UBXG7O9MOlVa/KCxKh24MreF5iGKN+j2Mxk+x+OtA520/tgDytwpYRLtWvY0/VW NUkao4K8PguAubBpDuWUid3pRvhmFm8AqXdrYPjZZ8ZYf0kLcOy6fNJJfwSPLX0fGU3y +mivkWZyDuhvf+PyYvtk3RAkGdpeQb31i3jg3tmhNCIeJLHpde7SmTW+UFHETA/Xh0z+ JDAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=1mPpaUkG4r4/Yj0K18AR7iTyjNjsi5c3Q42YP0EuMN8=; b=Q0rXeFrensaOIB+WazXSgwiGPPPvSqgGcj1RJh/hMTw9K+xKmjvfQT7F53e+ZU1NmY CJ6pYUbRc5mRjk9u3i2nm4HssWzrLEiTOUmns+Fu0iTr+xuU23fHXwKh6OGMaJ4uU0dL sq0uUc5ttb66xNitsdGWXYS+B5g/pa2yb1/2t/TAGrGhq09NOZFY18YoO2T5J3NJX0dP oV42ab/+67MofqrLqnwkBv3Y6+yjUdgC4ygBG1P/aihXnkMtojyMq6mjFJBkwpM6PV4C q8yWKSo3WS4fg0ZQuhdoAYV2vLOJTkWEmScduv5rz+1EIKtKSZAwH/HHtpjgXPqMhyL5 66oQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rk4i4A1VkSLZaoOjVipfKFTCqAhQWGWw2Lkp+nkzvFwJv3LbFFdzDvyyXhhDM14Ag== X-Received: by 10.107.47.16 with SMTP id j16mr4992723ioo.108.1477023179566; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.130]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 141sm6527248itu.15.2016.10.20.21.12.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:13:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 01 May 2016 22:23:23 +0200") Message-ID: <87oa2etk3z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) tags 8947 - wontfix quit Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >> One of us is missing something, I think. >> >> The recipe I gave was this: >> >> emacs -Q >> >> Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> in *Help*. The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: >> >> "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." > > Hm, so it does. Reopening. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 21 10:30:17 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2016 14:30:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxapt-000597-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 10:30:17 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21626) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxapr-00058s-RQ for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 10:30:16 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u9LEU9gt031344 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:30:10 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u9LEU884031248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:30:09 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u9LEU711030827; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:30:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <06a4477d-7bbb-48c4-b4b0-18d6bb7fab2f@default> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) This bug was summarily closed today as "wontfix". Why? No explanation; just closed out of the blue. Perhaps the close was a typo on the bug number? Please read the (short, simple) thread. Two Emacs developers have confirmed that this is a bug, one of them after thinking at first that it might not be (it was closed and then reopened). Please reopen (and fix) this bug. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 21 10:51:26 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2016 14:51:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45012 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxbAL-0005gP-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 10:51:26 -0400 Received: from mail-yb0-f171.google.com ([209.85.213.171]:34991) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxbAK-0005gC-7r for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 10:51:24 -0400 Received: by mail-yb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 184so42184894yby.2 for <8947@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:51:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Reu6n+ic3c8uEP/irEUKXuF3LeN9VAg67jHZTrDEDo8=; b=FwZWmLqVwCduJR7dVJn2IWUe38l1rSizJt7uE7+n37xaidXypSOKCAJkOUpc1A8tmL 2nI7QIpmelo37tmfyXgJeQFxumZaRrADpIKiu+D6KUC3kWw8eCuS/v33OY69+Myl9Uuj /QVEdbGB6GyvE2rJMZGAyVy9Rk8t9MbDuUaqHvwffI5//xVvZ1FNtsV3uYo2pcdyqG0c cD3tezZQ0HifaiQCYYy4srpddkkXTVh24xHACktzDmFS0Fkv5EL9c6k1MhooHWe0ypEX nyAbaFcPR+DV6WSWmQPF87nGcpzsoNDbEHUPsILKTj475/FLdGMUsJsiujP7j70zZY3J 5WYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Reu6n+ic3c8uEP/irEUKXuF3LeN9VAg67jHZTrDEDo8=; b=dA558gsq8TLDBzATVmUZ4FJ2wvGUDnSAsUmRYUXzU5l6zgvHvWcIXyKyi3SIBBGItF HPNVarvh9b2i1bdi0OvKlmgMMFadnc+va7X/JCmXIXJvRNctde4/OLrFjIxD5sHj+bwj jqxAlVkWDybvJ1AQO1mTiceS4FW7ziEkpg/2Q5Pahyhq8kKVZi/ZP+zWW4WVt2MlL+1Y Wam2jhxGPRLxdBUY45McPbwbQqobE/gdcv9RtCYdDKQ+Vjf+wZklPfjlIoLjm683RVnz 9rM7Nv0xVCb2MLRC3p+mUCbfYnBbjIwVjLXvA8f2iniy7nAnCwxdZSS659FJ3x81urhh LC6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnVoVrFew/TQpIx2cIQnZk9r+a6usn5p1y/X0toKBsBrYvQTyANueeTzAft3aRwgzUJ9jmtzQw7+mWiIg== X-Received: by 10.202.90.3 with SMTP id o3mr11090337oib.46.1477061478714; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:51:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.29.239 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:51:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <06a4477d-7bbb-48c4-b4b0-18d6bb7fab2f@default> References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> <06a4477d-7bbb-48c4-b4b0-18d6bb7fab2f@default> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 10:51:18 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TbIxNWw3h8KMUmQL0L1Y8JHyLc8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > This bug was summarily closed today as "wontfix". No, it was closed as wontfix on May 1st, 2016, then reopened after some discussion. https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=18;bug=8947 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8947#29 I just removed the wontfix tag last night (since Lars obviously forgot to remove it when reopening) https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=33;bug=8947 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 21 11:42:18 2016 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2016 15:42:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45142 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxbxZ-0006xk-Py for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:42:17 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24026) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxbxY-0006xY-8I for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:42:16 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u9LFg8c2016973 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:42:08 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u9LFg7Tg014685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:42:07 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u9LFg6BA023429; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:42:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7303d291-f916-4628-9baa-5d8f8df776fd@default> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 08:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Noam Postavsky Subject: RE: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <8760uxy1c4.fsf@gnus.org> <06a4477d-7bbb-48c4-b4b0-18d6bb7fab2f@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 8947@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > > This bug was summarily closed today as "wontfix". >=20 > No, it was closed as wontfix on May 1st, 2016, then reopened after > some discussion. >=20 > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=3D18;bug=3D8947 > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D8947#29 >=20 > I just removed the wontfix tag last night (since Lars obviously forgot > to remove it when reopening) >=20 > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=3D33;bug=3D8947 OK, thanks for doing that. Sorry for misunderstanding the control message. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 21 15:44:30 2021 Received: (at 8947) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2021 19:44:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58620 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mddzK-0005A0-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:44:30 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]:40736) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mddzJ-00059k-F7 for 8947@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:44:29 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id v20so1139706plo.7 for <8947@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lGqnhqWJCNniQvWUbkYOGvzmy63cgatE1lDKgk78+dQ=; b=keAxexDvvb4mddWB4VzGHQYqHbWvncCC0/vu9RpqlJcEeyJ4CG6ZsqLoJ0EitleTui uesZC5tn0fjgQ3vBIhNbm4j+BZbL5uNz5ldCAATRktQXEPEmaUbxVwkJWN9Z2FUE/EfM UZ4jh35RkflMpBuYM1gQfqsMD+cmUhI/hdum/EickI0a5ZnuYttQL12xVdBNBdCRNPN7 6pV2VlDUNI+9lOxUDlJXKQMM7j4RKhtXyRZfveUDskMz4huHZc+fu5z8+nhZsboAhDrj UthMEf7PN0zCMlpBUyEqMFX4oUlx2Vj6ggG5d9Cq204qpO4NeI9nIjU+pgsncZ01JeoM Eniw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5303hnN2Q7j+tJzf8YCkjWP6p1Xb5hWwS/DRpEUXuXh7EcD/zyQk 1RO/+nWia03gSIeb43dkJbWrttcVvoLexKMTptRa6Woy X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwsnBg+bR1EYEzFTwecZh6/FeRSOqeFBQICxYf9b0Y1eeuqBKMsSWIJQpSjlfaZWNIE5VAlzmJ/jIzMOujmwxk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:17d2:: with SMTP id me18mr9015089pjb.132.1634845463864; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:23 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87y47tbke1.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sun, 01 May 2016 22:20:22 +0200") References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <87y47tbke1.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions To: Michael Heerdegen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 8947@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >> The recipe I gave was this: >> >> emacs -Q >> >> Visit any *.el file, hit `C-h m', then search for `Transient' >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> in *Help*. The help for `transient-mark-mode' says this: >> >> "...for example, incremental search, <, and >." >> >> And I explained the cause: The doc for `transient-mark-mode' >> is being picked up after *Help* has become the current buffer. >> That is not the correct behavior. > > I agree. I can reproduce this, and your explanation makes sense. I can no longer reproduce this using the above recipe; the `transient-mode-mark' docstring was changed in commit b99192fe24fc. Do we have an up-to-date reproducer for this? 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Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:19:13 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <87y47tbke1.fsf@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions To: Drew Adams , Michael Heerdegen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "8947@debbugs.gnu.org" <8947@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 8947 unreproducible close 8947 thanks Drew Adams writes: >> I can no longer reproduce this using the above recipe; the >> `transient-mode-mark' docstring was changed in commit b99192fe24fc. >> >> Do we have an up-to-date reproducer for this? > > Not from me. I don't see the problem in Emacs 27.2. OK, I'm therefore closing this bug report as unreproducible. If anyone knows how to reproduce it, please write back and we can reopen the bug report. 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Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:21:14 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <7E6FAA5B1CA644F9A30BD871EBA2DFC1@us.oracle.com> <87ob2f8sj7.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878tzyouz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8760uxzl27.fsf@gnus.org> <110eca3a-7bf1-478d-ab4d-6cd6a0ac8196@default> <87y47tbke1.fsf@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:21:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#8947: 24.0.50; `describe-mode': `help-mode-map' pollutes minor mode descriptions To: Drew Adams , Michael Heerdegen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8947 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "8947@debbugs.gnu.org" <8947@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Does unreproducible mean that it never could be reproduced, or that it > can no longer be reproduced? 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