From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 24 17:02:45 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2011 21:02:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWX-0004gs-F5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWV-0004gg-9Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWO-0001gn-Hd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:38482) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWO-0001gc-5C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWM-0007mv-6M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWK-0001gJ-Ln for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:34 -0400 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]:54810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QaDWJ-0001fj-Ru for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:02:32 -0400 Received: from ergodik.univ-brest.fr (unknown [78.233.232.132]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8EA822F5 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:02:24 +0200 (CEST) From: harven@free.fr To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.2; refcard names Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:02:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87zkl7t02o.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) It would be nice if the names of the refcards provided with emacs were standardized, and mentioned somewhere in the manual. At the moment, here is what I find on my 23.2 install. refcard.pdf -- english fr-refcard.pdf -- french de-refcard.pdf -- german pl-refcard.pdf -- polish ru-refcard.pdf -- russian cs-refcard.pdf -- czech pt-br-refcard.pdf -- portuguese survival.tex -- another reference card for emacs dired-ref.pdf -- reference card for dired calccard.pdf -- reference card for calc mode orgcard.pdf -- reference card for org mode gnus-refcard.pdf -- reference card for gnus gnus-booklet.pdf -- extended list of shortcuts for gnus vipcard.tex -- reference card for VIP, also known as vi-mode vipercard.tex -- reference card for viper mode tex-ref.pdf.gz -- reference card for auctex (!) and some others fr-survival.tex, sk-survival.tex, cs-survival.tex, fr-dired-ref.tex, sk-dired-ref.tex, cs-dired-ref.tex Names like language-mode-refcard.pdf would make them easier to locate. Also they do not seem to be mentioned in the emacs manual, at least not in the concept index. In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0) of 2010-12-11 on raven, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000 configured using `configure '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.2/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 21 15:44:40 2021 Received: (at 8932) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2021 19:44:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58626 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mddzU-0005AY-Jl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:44:40 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f51.google.com ([209.85.216.51]:38428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mddzT-0005AB-C2 for 8932@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:44:39 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f51.google.com with SMTP id o4-20020a17090a3d4400b001a1c8344c3fso1840989pjf.3 for <8932@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gwtOd32+e9xjSV7Atuu2U0YbcfRyEV1DuEhBcDsmMbA=; b=0n2MA/i1GMHIIZzQkWk3EiiG11cm99AqOzyytzrzgc5yr1ElHlt4eSCTcVK5gVFJAJ +2mCATr9uwTf+GIAGCIxhylCEDCVtQoZVqMECUd+R1IPsZgjp/ksiJdvmsY289OVhnmu rdYXI4wgFp9xI9RSY/Mv4+XOHSYC/khp+ZY4SmEv5BoKgXU3pnDgPr+C6Fh/lYqRhdzS GNsO+Gem3k5jU/dnA7mtHk9YpHaJLXXpWB/fEGZNJJJKDc4pkYHKHfm967Yt2Z5wgaF7 na+IDIk6GxFeraAOgWx7CsI6pQhXIuFvUilvvwoyUIzS07Haw5/grQKAX1++D7Y7MQx7 ok/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531gpMEwTNw44oNeuT2xjkVjNklADUCYebbABr3fFMit0ty2QmAu JILje4pfMOsiucjXGAzRZNcK4+tOxSeSiRqNE6A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwDkjrjUJZW7OoWiq5nks3gix59WTLMFYRHfqm+5iwKagVChYngZVu9jZndx2qi2BFp/ZETSg5NRQllAJve81A= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:245:: with SMTP id t5mr8762470pje.133.1634845473778; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:33 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87zkl7t02o.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> (harven@free.fr's message of "Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:02:23 +0200") References: <87zkl7t02o.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8932: 23.2; refcard names To: harven@free.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8932 Cc: 8932@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 8932 + moreinfo thanks harven@free.fr writes: > It would be nice if the names of the refcards provided with emacs > were standardized, and mentioned somewhere in the manual. > At the moment, here is what I find on my 23.2 install. > > refcard.pdf -- english > fr-refcard.pdf -- french > de-refcard.pdf -- german > pl-refcard.pdf -- polish > ru-refcard.pdf -- russian > cs-refcard.pdf -- czech > pt-br-refcard.pdf -- portuguese > > survival.tex -- another reference card for emacs > dired-ref.pdf -- reference card for dired > calccard.pdf -- reference card for calc mode > orgcard.pdf -- reference card for org mode > gnus-refcard.pdf -- reference card for gnus > gnus-booklet.pdf -- extended list of shortcuts for gnus > vipcard.tex -- reference card for VIP, also known as vi-mode > vipercard.tex -- reference card for viper mode > tex-ref.pdf.gz -- reference card for auctex (!) > > and some others > fr-survival.tex, sk-survival.tex, cs-survival.tex, > fr-dired-ref.tex, sk-dired-ref.tex, cs-dired-ref.tex > > Names like language-mode-refcard.pdf would make them easier to locate. I'm not sure I understand the proposal here, or how we could make this substantially better. Note that moving the files will make looking into git history harder, due to limitations in how git works. I'm leaning towards closing this as wontfix. > Also they do not seem to be mentioned in the emacs manual, at least not in > the concept index. Do they need to be? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 22 02:01:05 2021 Received: (at 8932) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2021 06:01:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59122 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnc0-00034r-KU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:01:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49624) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnbw-00033r-8d for 8932@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:01:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnbq-0005dV-2v; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:00:54 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1584 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnbj-0006Ek-Pb; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:00:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:00:30 +0300 Message-Id: <8335ot8upt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:33 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#8932: 23.2; refcard names References: <87zkl7t02o.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8932 Cc: 8932@debbugs.gnu.org, harven@free.fr X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:44:33 -0700 > Cc: 8932@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It would be nice if the names of the refcards provided with emacs > > were standardized, and mentioned somewhere in the manual. > > At the moment, here is what I find on my 23.2 install. > > > > refcard.pdf -- english > > fr-refcard.pdf -- french > > de-refcard.pdf -- german > > pl-refcard.pdf -- polish > > ru-refcard.pdf -- russian > > cs-refcard.pdf -- czech > > pt-br-refcard.pdf -- portuguese > > > > survival.tex -- another reference card for emacs > > dired-ref.pdf -- reference card for dired > > calccard.pdf -- reference card for calc mode > > orgcard.pdf -- reference card for org mode > > gnus-refcard.pdf -- reference card for gnus > > gnus-booklet.pdf -- extended list of shortcuts for gnus > > vipcard.tex -- reference card for VIP, also known as vi-mode > > vipercard.tex -- reference card for viper mode > > tex-ref.pdf.gz -- reference card for auctex (!) > > > > and some others > > fr-survival.tex, sk-survival.tex, cs-survival.tex, > > fr-dired-ref.tex, sk-dired-ref.tex, cs-dired-ref.tex > > > > Names like language-mode-refcard.pdf would make them easier to locate. > > I'm not sure I understand the proposal here, or how we could make this > substantially better. Note that moving the files will make looking into > git history harder, due to limitations in how git works. The file names loosely follow ISO language names, so their languages should be clear at least to some. To make this even more clear, how about adding the list of refcards with short descriptions (including the language) to etc/refcards/README? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 22 04:28:12 2021 Received: (at 8932) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2021 08:28:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdpuN-0007XI-Nj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 04:28:12 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f46.google.com ([209.85.216.46]:53905) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdpuL-0007Wu-IN for 8932@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 04:28:10 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f46.google.com with SMTP id ls18so2402275pjb.3 for <8932@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:28:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SsAS5hCBomueYYiRt573Bw7yPDBGc19r0zoKvIrWoM4=; b=mJL99h79qck8qZZ9a19l8LxWrxZl4RWbRbZHsjcVfumQFETpASKhYyvj8xZ0cGtWu7 OYWMFaMq8U5mYfprabBfRj/os7y29x6Tc4vI68sughlMH4QKPy4WN8+4uvmpPP0FVMXx 6VOjIGan+H0x5J9e1XJGGXj4f2GpgTascmWPrvRU5SP7zStjRWyVLVeS4RKerTamtj2V cEUon5i07r+qacK1MDSFB7b3WFCNCM+bzG4CCyGSLyZu/kb4EFUgbrKswLttEoESf8yj gehC3cFJpddXBEniJ5KZJRijkze/BrNsLKUY6A8qRKmb3VpOhcjYkKOt84iomqTgOV5T ulKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530FIDI5nXZD8zM9GeGSlImm6mns0Kx5V/diY52XcjfLoFNuszNF XTIjh9CeOnXZ1Sa/+wHYHuR3Dgl8tIRzrj6paPA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyFroxv9H0/KGcwagG897TUqFGd2n1RvdMsw9KsM11PXceMaqWrBq8l4ByBi7cKAtFkKJXZqJsUFEuzEd8w+a4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:245:: with SMTP id t5mr12510547pje.133.1634891283851; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:28:03 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <8335ot8upt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zkl7t02o.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> <8335ot8upt.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:28:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8932: 23.2; refcard names To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8932 Cc: 8932@debbugs.gnu.org, harven@free.fr X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 8932 28.1 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: > The file names loosely follow ISO language names, so their languages > should be clear at least to some. Indeed. > To make this even more clear, how about adding the list of refcards > with short descriptions (including the language) to > etc/refcards/README? Yup, I've now done that on the emacs-28 branch (commit cf7d8fb1d7). With that, I'm also closing this bug report. From unknown Mon Sep 08 16:47:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator