From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 29 18:26:19 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 May 2011 22:26:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR9-0005JX-9H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR8-0005JO-DX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR2-0001Qa-Cz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:60972) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR2-0001QW-BN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50886) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR1-0005Eg-HA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR0-0001QK-NG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:11 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:39147) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQoR0-0001QG-I6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2011 18:26:10 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet22.oracle.com (rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p4TMQ7gs011875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 22:26:09 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4TMQ6QP024206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 22:26:07 GMT Received: from abhmt019.oracle.com (abhmt019.oracle.com [141.146.116.28]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p4TMQ1cm009417 for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 17:26:01 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.50.197) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 29 May 2011 15:26:00 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; `find-grep-options' - fn name doesn't fit doc string Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 15:26:01 -0700 Message-ID: <989FB6AFE803448786A3F4DFDBC7D4D9@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Thread-Index: AcweT2O7flBV3F3DQySYJLMWzmuicQ== X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4DE2C801.010F:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) Maybe the function should be called `find-grep-silence-options' or `find-grep-quiet-options'. If the value is supposed to represent the switches that make `grep' as silent as possible, then this is about silence or quiet - it is not about options in general. Also, in Emacs we don't usually call these "options" - we call them "switches": `find-grep-quiet-switches'. Besides, the Emacs option just above this one is called `find-ls-subdir-switches' - switches, not options. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-05-23 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/build/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 10:15:44 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 14:15:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjBA-0000m2-IY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:15:44 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjB7-0000lo-U9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:15:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjAt-0003CO-Je for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:15:27 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:15:27 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8757 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhjAt-0003CO-Je X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311344127.66351@TiJGlmCce3GCIz6RTEOyGw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8757 notabug close 8757 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 10:34:05 2011 Received: (at 8757) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 14:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjSt-00026c-My for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:34:04 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjSr-000265-Jw for 8757@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:34:02 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjSe-0003b8-CL; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:33:48 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 24.0.50; `find-grep-options' - fn name doesn't fit doc string In-Reply-To: <989FB6AFE803448786A3F4DFDBC7D4D9@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 29 May 2011 15:26:01 -0700") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:15:24 +0200 Message-ID: References: <989FB6AFE803448786A3F4DFDBC7D4D9@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Miles of Aisles_: "A Case of You" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8757@debbugs.gnu.org::EUfHkvX2BlJ1Ld8+:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000lqyQ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:drew.adams@oracle.com::LbVrQt8QROahBE1W:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000/k8N MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhjSe-0003b8-CL X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311345228.75215@QzJFchlLImpg0kqwdM3row X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8757 Cc: 8757@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > Maybe the function should be called `find-grep-silence-options' or > `find-grep-quiet-options'. If the value is supposed to represent the > switches that make `grep' as silent as possible, then this is about > silence or quiet - it is not about options in general. Also, in Emacs > we don't usually call these "options" - we call them "switches": > `find-grep-quiet-switches'. > > Besides, the Emacs option just above this one is called > `find-ls-subdir-switches' - switches, not options. I agree that the variable name is not optimal, but it's not actively misleading, and changing it would be of little benefit. I'm closing this report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 11:25:00 2011 Received: (at 8757) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 15:25:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhkGC-00058G-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:25:00 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhkGA-000584-Pb for 8757@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:24:59 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6FFOaSv003345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:24:42 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6FFOaVc000542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:24:36 GMT Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6FFOVFd003344; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:24:31 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.34.212) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:24:30 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <989FB6AFE803448786A3F4DFDBC7D4D9@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: 24.0.50; `find-grep-options' - fn name doesn't fit doc string Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: <5A194E683A4B4C16B319B38BF3E2B939@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcxC/D9pD6Y8E/J4RISaFHgsZCu/OwABosOg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4E205BBD.0130:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8757 Cc: 8757@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) > I agree that the variable name is not optimal, but it's not actively > misleading, and changing it would be of little benefit. I'm closing > this report. You apparently don't agree to changing _any_ names - at least so far. That's silly. Of course it would benefit users to give this a better name. And yes, Emacs does not call switches "options". This is clearly a bug on at least two levels. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 11:34:02 2011 Received: (at 8757) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 15:34:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhkOs-0006Dk-C4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:34:02 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhkJl-0005EK-9j for 8757@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:28:42 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhkJa-0004rF-31; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:28:30 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 24.0.50; `find-grep-options' - fn name doesn't fit doc string In-Reply-To: <5A194E683A4B4C16B319B38BF3E2B939@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:24:30 -0700") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <989FB6AFE803448786A3F4DFDBC7D4D9@us.oracle.com> <5A194E683A4B4C16B319B38BF3E2B939@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAIVBMVEUwMi75+eydo5BgZlT+ //L+//h/gm7+//v////BzMj+//Y1EW/uAAACIUlEQVQ4jZ2Uv6vbMBDHDwSGjIIseVORQeBNWCDI +MBdshVecOkULBBkb7Dp1qHYqz0UtDsU8lf2K8tx/B7p0oP4HH10P3y6E/Eo2+KdvHLiQd/ucj1O ch1faVvc/9VlWdc1fpfy+A3ggPV6JU14XAKYF7ooTdN1bX0paHudtnVraet6pG0ZQVOvQAPwAsB7 zvsdf5g1s0Xvd33v+6+L0d2ViJINrnJCVNkCnNPaOOtOFETvPwBnFGnSRm3eAV1JV0lFcHhGvm8z sFpnVgurEgCP6G9TutoEV1o7oXOR+QiCBTGrmCNWuUwMEcQYlEhiJ5ZIK6z3vo/gD4ARihHLUpZn DxA+0PzWyN+ciJ39bgWGRKTEtFJE+cMCZZd2wBpTBo8MdWu6Fll9Bgi1YIacIuazYBEAggtiCCG1 U6hA3s8guAqlYz4V0Crp/QLSkNPGpywUdwFwlRJZpQUiKU1sDbRLmc11yIzoXiuATzgEsnsdD0ou oDthH5m9zYMms1S3OwUn9uxkBaLoHGOgJAp5GltVQoYEzH4GXa2yxElrK3QKPl4voM0F1qwyQsgH eEF7MuFwuMoAS4TbzKBrVTUVBR1UWdIqggM61vc7HwRqGAafLWAlP4FDdb9/BL/4F86fWdwn5J9g /B9QPwNon0P5jGDOi3I15IunHwDTnLdx1JsWoxzmfLoycLccg9nlcpw03m7FfPsUxeE2Tvo2Yt9Y cP4XtEekOQ6R9KgAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Mingus_ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:drew.adams@oracle.com::vxhCdlI0UB7cfDlV:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000Ikbq X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8757@debbugs.gnu.org::x5bx5Mnu/tQPYDe1:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000g22c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhkJa-0004rF-31 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311348510.20282@wYPjhPu/GT2LBK9RhLKugg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8757 Cc: 8757@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > You apparently don't agree to changing _any_ names - at least so far. I'm all for changing names if there's a compelling reason to do so. `find-grep-options' doesn't seem like a compelling case, when weighed against the problems associated with changing the name of a user-customisable variable. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:36:21 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator