From unknown Sun Sep 07 23:15:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8690: 24.0.50; `declare' doc; conflict with cl-macs.el Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 8690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 8690@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.130573433116375 (code B ref -1); Wed, 18 May 2011 15:59:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2011 15:58:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj98-0004G3-0y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj96-0004Fq-G6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj90-0003qH-LU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:41040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj90-0003qD-K9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58752) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj8z-0003QG-Nr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj8y-0003pp-O5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:41 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:25528) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QMj8y-0003pi-Iw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 11:58:40 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p4IFwbw5006045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 15:58:39 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4IFwZHS012580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 15:58:36 GMT Received: from abhmt017.oracle.com (abhmt017.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p4IFwU9T006661 for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 10:58:30 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 18 May 2011 08:58:28 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:58:26 -0700 Message-ID: <98E51A77662843EDB8887B68CC9828DF@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcwVdGyAa22UPvo7QBaR3nu0nY+Hwg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4DD3ECAF.00BC:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) Emacs has added `declare', choosing to use the same name as the Common Lisp form. If cl has been loaded, then `C-h f declare' says this: declare is a Lisp macro in `cl-macs.el'. (declare &rest SPECS) Not documented. If cl has not been loaded, then it says this: declare is a Lisp macro in `subr.el'. (declare &rest SPECS) Do not evaluate any arguments and return nil. Treated as a declaration when used at the right place in a `defmacro' form. (See Info anchor `(elisp)Definition of declare'.) Something should be done about this. Perhaps rename the cl form to avoid the conflict? Dunno. But we shouldn't be getting into this kind of conflict/confusion. Unless the two are truly compatible, in which case we should add the same doc string to the macro in cl-macs.el. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-05-16 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/build/include' From unknown Sun Sep 07 23:15:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8690: 24.0.50; `declare' doc; conflict with cl-macs.el Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 8690@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 8690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8690.130951648419672 (code B ref 8690); Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 8690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2011 10:34:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qcb3b-00057F-Cy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 06:34:43 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qcb3Z-00056x-1D for 8690@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 06:34:41 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qcb3L-0003ks-7U; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:34:27 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <98E51A77662843EDB8887B68CC9828DF@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 18 May 2011 08:58:26 -0700") Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:29:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: <98E51A77662843EDB8887B68CC9828DF@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEU3IBXZ8vK94+aMZkme ppWy0tOVZtnhAAACVUlEQVQ4jWWUy3IjIQxFVYPnA6Dc+2mN2ZNA9k4Qe0Pg/39lroQzjxrKrmrr tKSrByZpbS4pItJmY156GIemKJAhTS1x1lQ2WPqqjHPyGswxEdHFgNnbx3lwxM9P0vNhAGb54O71 NU4GXpk9QGvSwjjUHs1O39h7mlOzxiWa8kbOAXz3AAs542qLoZV/5lxySpfTqyqVOYal+FHzu9Ts NPmtaYxodn7U0j/zBmv1rtUOPjWUa8klLYSG9HP0CJc++JGoQLF5xNZ76D74I8TxIFdqtkJots6j H4uD7/xw2giiopWvEfWDWjjcneRS3RPAONFGFXYn9D87bSPAsX4P4U4Zx/pLptQO5D5IK4eswYQx mdn7M/BPcupAFwXIoS4nGhduZHWQ+4DctV0MxD0Ph1HRzrqB97cneAWIf4MrrAkfgDmG918goOVQ 5SpCNWT2JgromKgPQBTo24G9Qe+L1IpiGpPGD2oMlkQWupuxczQ24O0QPhdiZXSWnv34krUQC+1q /wMBuP8DxO8SVVeR9QeknT0A5JobYafMfqOXbuiqOXIhm1Fc8ZPycXpNdN1ANxcNXtWll7ajzVxK JVwCWbNN7N9ldQPHUd4EF8cOAjtqT+AX2pw3sB3Ygq05BrAyRcFbeBI4HlikWrBlCoqPOxZ0X5Gj 7hTYZyg8nx5XXb0NdNfwBPvZJ1cDE7mTrq3YFxNJhbD2CIZJX2o1hUDvhTIGrxNwcM2QN3FN13yR DaqkXDXSmy3diMXfkbLWquFcwURxofBng2dUKy7VPFURqN0C2x/6BVA4xtY6rSduAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC X-Now-Playing: =?UTF-8?Q?Beyonc=C3=A9's?= _B'day_: "Freakum Dress" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110701:8690@debbugs.gnu.org::ZvvDvIQGjAQtW8Hv:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000ShIh X-Hashcash: 1:23:110701:drew.adams@oracle.com::3MZJyLBwrvyli/1P:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000cuJX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qcb3L-0003ks-7U X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310121267.41855@SYoNSUtONHIk5NvKyJpBrw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) "Drew Adams" writes: > Something should be done about this. Perhaps rename the cl form to > avoid the conflict? Dunno. But we shouldn't be getting into this kind > of conflict/confusion. Unless the two are truly compatible, in which > case we should add the same doc string to the macro in cl-macs.el. The subr.el definition of `declare' is: (defmacro declare (&rest _specs) "Do not evaluate any arguments and return nil. Treated as a declaration when used at the right place in a `defmacro' form. \(See Info anchor `(elisp)Definition of declare'.)" nil) The cl-macs.el definition is: (defmacro declare (&rest specs) (if (cl-compiling-file) (while specs (if (listp cl-declare-stack) (push (car specs) cl-declare-stack)) (cl-do-proclaim (pop specs) nil))) nil) So the cl-macs.el version extends the macro, but it's just nil, anyway. So perhaps the fix here is just to copy over the doc string from the subr.el version to the cl-macs.el version? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 09:47:52 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 13:47:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhikB-0007MN-S8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:47:52 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhik8-0007Ly-U4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:47:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhijx-0002Ej-6U for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:47:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:47:36 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8690 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhijx-0002Ej-6U X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311342457.39084@dlgeudRddtp/n8LXy1GNqw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8690 fixed close 8690 24.1 From unknown Sun Sep 07 23:15:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8690: 24.0.50; `declare' doc; conflict with cl-macs.el Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 8690@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 8690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8690.131073769128399 (code B ref 8690); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 8690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 13:48:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhikR-0007Np-CG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:48:11 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhikJ-0007MU-DO for 8690@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:48:03 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhik4-0002FB-B6; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:47:44 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:29:20 +0200") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:47:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <98E51A77662843EDB8887B68CC9828DF@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Miles of Aisles_: "Big Yellow Taxi" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8690@debbugs.gnu.org::F0jQ/9X6FDndL5k/:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000JBIz X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:drew.adams@oracle.com::os6i7g83mBlgnbJj:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000MCwI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhik4-0002FB-B6 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311342464.6399@ZbHqG+J7XDjtnFoRNOhoFg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > So perhaps the fix here is just to copy over the doc string from the > subr.el version to the cl-macs.el version? I wrote a new doc string for the cl-macs.el version. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sun Sep 07 23:15:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8690: 24.0.50; `declare' doc; conflict with cl-macs.el Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Cc: 8690@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 8690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8690.131074164313476 (code B ref 8690); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 8690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 14:54:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjmF-0003VJ-LP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:54:03 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjmE-0003Uo-9e for 8690@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:54:02 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6FErsqW014491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:53:56 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6FErraR007217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:53:54 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6FErmCS020320; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:53:48 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.34.212) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:53:48 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <98E51A77662843EDB8887B68CC9828DF@us.oracle.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:53:47 -0700 Message-ID: <2D831DA3AA154F25BA26096E04580880@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcxC9dEiQIc1juCgTjyebn6mu8xNHgACFAdA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A020202.4E205484.00BB:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) > > So perhaps the fix here is just to copy over the doc string from the > > subr.el version to the cl-macs.el version? > > I wrote a new doc string for the cl-macs.el version. Hopefully your new doc is _not_ the same as what is in subr.el, unless these two versions of the macro are in effect the same thing. It is a bug, if the behaviors are different, to use the same doc. That makes things even more confusing. Any differences between the two macros that affect results or behavior need to be called out in the doc. Hopefully you did that (?). It's unfortunate that Emacs Dev sometimes uses the same names for cl.el stuff and non-cl.el stuff. And the addition of `declare' to non-cl Emacs is recent. Hopefully the macros are identical in effect. If not then we are introducing bugs. But if they are identical, then we should remove the cl.el version altogether, so I'm guessing that they are not. From unknown Sun Sep 07 23:15:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8690: 24.0.50; `declare' doc; conflict with cl-macs.el Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 8690@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 8690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8690.131074208017379 (code B ref 8690); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 8690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 15:01:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhjtD-0004WC-Vh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:01:20 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhjt8-0004Vx-Iq for 8690@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:01:14 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhjsw-00047p-45; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:00:58 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <2D831DA3AA154F25BA26096E04580880@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:53:47 -0700") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <98E51A77662843EDB8887B68CC9828DF@us.oracle.com> <2D831DA3AA154F25BA26096E04580880@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAIVBMVEUwMi75+eydo5BgZlT+ //L+//h/gm7+//v////BzMj+//Y1EW/uAAACIUlEQVQ4jZ2Uv6vbMBDHDwSGjIIseVORQeBNWCDI +MBdshVecOkULBBkb7Dp1qHYqz0UtDsU8lf2K8tx/B7p0oP4HH10P3y6E/Eo2+KdvHLiQd/ucj1O ch1faVvc/9VlWdc1fpfy+A3ggPV6JU14XAKYF7ooTdN1bX0paHudtnVraet6pG0ZQVOvQAPwAsB7 zvsdf5g1s0Xvd33v+6+L0d2ViJINrnJCVNkCnNPaOOtOFETvPwBnFGnSRm3eAV1JV0lFcHhGvm8z sFpnVgurEgCP6G9TutoEV1o7oXOR+QiCBTGrmCNWuUwMEcQYlEhiJ5ZIK6z3vo/gD4ARihHLUpZn DxA+0PzWyN+ciJ39bgWGRKTEtFJE+cMCZZd2wBpTBo8MdWu6Fll9Bgi1YIacIuazYBEAggtiCCG1 U6hA3s8guAqlYz4V0Crp/QLSkNPGpywUdwFwlRJZpQUiKU1sDbRLmc11yIzoXiuATzgEsnsdD0ou oDthH5m9zYMms1S3OwUn9uxkBaLoHGOgJAp5GltVQoYEzH4GXa2yxElrK3QKPl4voM0F1qwyQsgH eEF7MuFwuMoAS4TbzKBrVTUVBR1UWdIqggM61vc7HwRqGAafLWAlP4FDdb9/BL/4F86fWdwn5J9g /B9QPwNon0P5jGDOi3I15IunHwDTnLdx1JsWoxzmfLoycLccg9nlcpw03m7FfPsUxeE2Tvo2Yt9Y cP4XtEekOQ6R9KgAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Mingus_ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:drew.adams@oracle.com::qucO24UZcpI3grwT:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000FF4h X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8690@debbugs.gnu.org::BUIrBhnlDeM9VDj9:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000okkT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhjsw-00047p-45 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311346858.56392@KAaKndk4B0ItyjOTFIvJ2Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > But if they are identical, then we should remove the cl.el version altogether, > so I'm guessing that they are not. They're quite different. Here's the cl.el doc string: --- Declare SPECS about the current function while compiling. For instance \(declare (warn 0)) will turn off byte-compile warnings in the function. --- (If I were dictator, I'd dump Emacs with cl* in the image and get rid of all these almost-cl functions from subr.el, but that's another long, old and boring argument.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/