From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 04 14:17:21 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2011 18:17:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdV-0002sb-9o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdU-0002sP-4c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdN-0002y4-QH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:57849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdN-0002y0-Ok for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38955) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdM-0002pI-Tl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdK-0002xb-MG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:12 -0400 Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5]:41098 helo=homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHgdK-0002x9-El for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 14:17:10 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A99634073 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org ; b=lQyRoOvpDO83Nzn3b5mNNsrAueZXJB4nOW+wonu20163gO6c65+/s6y+bNxE TrnhHPQ8n1gsTqaAxou0ZJ6dnhhF1eRJbYMRAmD1Xw00909P+RYBsdqdPHutnsL/ xb/pzeV2rlwNd5Z5n1pXmJjFulAj2NpF+FVHERcvOnjIqqQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=vD3Y5Zqp5gvNMUbqp0IQNGcnelU=; b=UPPpiwWTPW6z1Cqj xIl8JBxdUn6AP2lAZIShkx9QAUkG373HvIgw/GvNIMxohP3S0b273VIazs/KkO7K 2BUcQDaB69NkK5aiHIjy+oPIlCBkAkghPN5q3l/H8R5GMCF/M+n5YnCIQlcihFUK 6HUWvjGoo1cUcUndsTNfg/EDkV8= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-36.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.36]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6011663406E for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 02:16:42 +0800 Message-ID: <8762pqnxf9.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for text files, in dired. Yes this is a duplicate report. You will notice all the JPGs you viewed still sitting there in your buffer list. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 04 15:13:54 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2011 19:13:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QHhWD-0004Ir-PO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 15:13:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QHhWB-0004Ig-MN for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 15:13:52 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QHhW6-0005Gm-8E for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2011 15:13:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 15:13:46 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 8615 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) forcemerge 6954 8615 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 10:32:19 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 14:32:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdkCA-0002C0-U2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:32:19 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdkC8-0002Bk-6U for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:32:17 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdkBt-0003qt-3S; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:32:01 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <8762pqnxf9.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Thu, 05 May 2011 02:16:42 +0800") Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:31:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8762pqnxf9.fsf@jidanni.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joanna Newsom's _Have One On Me (2)_: "Go Long" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110704:jidanni@jidanni.org::+4p6Gsynd0UiBI16:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000003Kv/ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110704:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::B3ObCbMmAk6pPClf:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000088Uf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QdkBt-0003qt-3S X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310394721.18196@w7gLtKMDhSRPLa5XgWb18g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for > text files, in dired. Yes this is a duplicate report. You will notice > all the JPGs you viewed still sitting there in your buffer list. The problem is this: (if (eq (with-current-buffer buffer (get major-mode 'mode-class)) 'special) (progn (switch-to-buffer buffer) (message "Not using View mode because the major mode is special")) `view-mode' refuses to switch itself on if the mode is special, and Image mode is apparently special. Is there any particular reason for `view-mode' to refuse to switch itself on in special modes? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 13:45:16 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 17:45:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdnCu-0000CA-I7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:45:16 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.143]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdnCt-0008Tq-OM for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:45:16 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp128036225215.central.yale.edu [128.36.225.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p64Hj7aL016066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:45:08 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8762pqnxf9.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:45:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:31:50 +0200") Message-ID: <8762niueho.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.143 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > `view-mode' refuses to switch itself on if the mode is special, and > Image mode is apparently special. > > Is there any particular reason for `view-mode' to refuse to switch > itself on in special modes? How does it make sense to visit image buffers in view mode? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 21:47:50 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 01:47:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qduju-0007BE-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:47:50 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qdujs-0007B2-J0 for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:47:49 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BB8284076; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:47:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=A3qm4nlBDMEtt50mh6XxTU62LrsYjgPIrUm/TzEot5bUo2HQH BgiNYunQ0mPJ1s3WXBMRqvRCtgodJgyWAGyYp0BNT0c0SgDG5+P4/R64cX7RokXN Qvr7R46pxKjErOmD6BC8eOZ3m4fRhAosjbg2srYaaoSFfnMBMvEd0nQDrE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=uT61y1OOkTGAa/s1iF4wGiJOcvQ=; b=U85Avn9L+bYeM UJhJEyijRBCz1EN/eMpEk7qZ42J69QwzeZ1riJEs+Dc468VfGk9nFKU0SQ/d2m53 +jUoqyc3g+kCpdTxWcQWNqamzzynVI75yd076//0yn14ej88C6w4y7Vq379ePwbL IHog17b3A7DhsReMPDqUhXcxL6wFoE= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-4-196.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.4.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0DC8828406E; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: cyd@stupidchicken.com Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8762niueho.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:47:39 +0800 Message-ID: <87fwmlxzus.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) >>>>> "CY" == Chong Yidong writes: CY> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> `view-mode' refuses to switch itself on if the mode is special, and >> Image mode is apparently special. >> >> Is there any particular reason for `view-mode' to refuse to switch >> itself on in special modes? CY> How does it make sense to visit image buffers in view mode? So then the buffer will disappear when we hit "q"! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 23:44:30 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 03:44:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdwYo-0001K3-Ce for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:44:30 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdwYm-0001Js-BM for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:44:29 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMGALGHEk5FxIxr/2dsb2JhbABTmQmOc3iIesNYhjYEnlyELA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,477,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="120498488" Received: from 69-196-140-107.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.140.107]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 04 Jul 2011 23:44:22 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 32677660F8; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:44:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <8762niueho.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fwmlxzus.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:44:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87fwmlxzus.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:47:39 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >>> `view-mode' refuses to switch itself on if the mode is special, and >>> Image mode is apparently special. >>> >>> Is there any particular reason for `view-mode' to refuse to switch >>> itself on in special modes? CY> How does it make sense to visit image buffers in view mode? > So then the buffer will disappear when we hit "q"! That should happen even without using view-mode. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 23:58:53 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 03:58:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qdwmi-0001ci-Qo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:58:53 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qdwmg-0001cW-Hm for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:58:51 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CE651C074; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:58:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=EeLHMLMvd0Ijhel2+y8XgS4imN/+DkYqks9y1qJp2jHXP6W5v WoUV3sTihwi9QBTYnhNKHbvMXKhYhnZspWSLucC2l+xGXK/EIorKCMim98D1iaHN 28+EwI7IbgrWCAwLrMvBV0V+BwPZ/x+LDQj4Npc8u9DQ/cPoXmFCkZtaDE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=hUs9BCBrI40CbR+fgPU1exmlU8k=; b=Y5ELL+CZEIiy4 i4R26E2lFa34FfHRQVw/FJIJ4xzYY/6yePRUiUaFxuSAjFZgySB0Wr1w2/iRCjJv UClDXBM3MRJmzWmI6oUxqJUN6ks7UR8NFTYP19kzv5mtAYucScuOUmRUc7Sqt49E iF+OWCduTbKJ++I3YQXZ06AnvdVb9Q= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-4-196.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.4.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E395F51C073; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:58:41 +0800 Message-ID: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) >>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> `view-mode' refuses to switch itself on if the mode is special, and >>>> Image mode is apparently special. >>>> >>>> Is there any particular reason for `view-mode' to refuse to switch >>>> itself on in special modes? CY> How does it make sense to visit image buffers in view mode? >> So then the buffer will disappear when we hit "q"! SM> That should happen even without using view-mode. Well it doesn't in both cases. $ emacs -q a_directory_full_of_jpgs v q C-x C-b SPC q C-x C-b Note how the picture entries are both still disgustingly hanging around there on the C-x C-b table. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 09:37:12 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 13:37:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe5oN-0007Cg-NN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:37:11 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe5oE-0007BW-DG for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:37:09 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe5nz-0000Ni-Uj; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:36:47 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:58:41 +0800") Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:35:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joanna Newsom's _Have One On Me (2)_: "Go Long" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::1ji5d81Tfk7auuk8:0000000000000000000000000000000000000L+IJ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::8kJIFGVxE5ZjkbIE:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000R5hH X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:jidanni@jidanni.org::VkzJNSWbndcAIAi2:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000d8oO X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:cyd@stupidchicken.com::lGZgZsmGenlBwJnC:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000iMct MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qe5nz-0000Ni-Uj X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310477808.20232@/djnW1ob74bv1P6JXL9wzA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > Well it doesn't in both cases. > $ emacs -q a_directory_full_of_jpgs > v q C-x C-b SPC q C-x C-b > Note how the picture entries are both still disgustingly hanging around > there on the C-x C-b table. If having `view-mode' not being able to work in `special' modes (I don't know why that is, but there's probably a reason?), then the `v' Dired command could just bind the `q' command explicitly in all `special' modes. That is, it'd start the a tiny `dired-view-mode' in `special' modes, where the only command it would bind would be `q'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 11:04:14 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 15:04:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe7Ac-00010r-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:04:14 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.143]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe7Aa-00010g-21 for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:04:12 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp128036225170.central.yale.edu [128.36.225.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p65F439w009665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:04:04 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:04:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:35:12 +0200") Message-ID: <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.143 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > If having `view-mode' not being able to work in `special' modes (I don't > know why that is, but there's probably a reason?), then the `v' Dired > command could just bind the `q' command explicitly in all `special' > modes. > > That is, it'd start the a tiny `dired-view-mode' in `special' modes, > where the only command it would bind would be `q'. I prefer a more limited fix: bind `q' in Image mode to a command that kills the buffer. Better still, add an option to bury instead of kill. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 11:07:47 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 15:07:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe7E2-00015X-VI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:07:47 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe7E0-00015M-RR for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:07:45 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe7Do-00036A-WB; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:07:33 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:04:03 -0400") Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:07:29 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joanna Newsom's _Have One On Me (2)_: "Go Long" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:jidanni@jidanni.org::4U1k4nwZXcqGXn+f:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000057d2 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::40BoXmRRyxJkU43b:000000000000000000000000000000000000000005tP/ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::3zqeCyiWxUHxJeVe:0000000000000000000000000000000000000ATUl X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:cyd@stupidchicken.com::NA140Fqkckl7n1f6:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000/e8R MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qe7Do-00036A-WB X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310483253.06223@alO4JRDDjXjhHMf0JRqd1w X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Chong Yidong writes: > I prefer a more limited fix: bind `q' in Image mode to a command that > kills the buffer. Better still, add an option to bury instead of kill. Isn't burying a buffer the more common "quit"-like action in most modes? I guess there's no real standard for that, so having `q' be `kill-buffer' sounds OK to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 15:06:29 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 19:06:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeAx1-0001JA-Rq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:06:28 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeAx0-0001Iw-Nr for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:06:27 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAMBfE05FxIxr/2dsb2JhbABTqAl4iHrCUoY2BJ5chCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,481,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="120562929" Received: from 69-196-140-107.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.140.107]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 Jul 2011 15:06:20 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 96E47592B2; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:06:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:07:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> I prefer a more limited fix: bind `q' in Image mode to a command that >> kills the buffer. Better still, add an option to bury instead of kill. > Isn't burying a buffer the more common "quit"-like action in most modes? > I guess there's no real standard for that, so having `q' be > `kill-buffer' sounds OK to me. AFAIK, usually `q' is bound to `quit-window'. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 16:47:49 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 20:47:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeCX6-0005P1-Qb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:47:49 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeCX4-0005Oo-FK for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:47:48 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeCWs-0004f6-2P; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:47:34 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:06:20 -0400") Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:47:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAADFBMVEX817D3w6F2RkDhpYur eGfEAAACJUlEQVQokRXSz2vTYBgH8G/WRWGwmkJDYbj9Abt4rwcTu1xEWcry7D1Il3tF8OAcOGvm YXcvw6O7VNc3rmFoGFZc66/7gqs7bT2b4X5Aw6Cavr59bh+eB74PDw+4EM13ak10CsYY2m2xlyKt viRkMdz2kq7txTtlXEHc8BIiL9i0aQGnfyKmH7qtEOwngrTrkjE17I/rJeymRAeYetLPzEcIHwui ueyvC/2WkHAdItZM7CJHuOxG4+ScBp1Zjo3l2kFOUYN6Ppa4/H0kx4K6OsLqyYZpKjObGg/w6qkw NChLb1f4FnbdvgEU7tRZcwvb6gilavit2ZDoAuoi/5BpcdStHkCLPBrb49hmw3PQbb6fPeZoeDxQ nGxgZwc+GkvtcxsTXQmBxqpwgInImRrU4D+ivorZtl0cVOHbNK05sf+9OIjhm7ZiWZyvF2MfgWGr 9tUWX6tyDvFDblAY8LVYYvga0Ic3+YsRnr+Hwu7d4DsjVOv5/PXcWSvkzaY8L+zEuuQXvB6j6lss z77GC/GbQ8S83dcLpQdsps0lgjmVzZ8dlsKsRHig5Cqnn0UHWOVJxVQqu5/mAHh8Wf+i5sSeJnH8 cVJPyuXps84I6d0cY8bkw64NLIl/3Qozrj0ry9b9k7+DnhCXopcANXLNyYKRIZ0MHFElUi0nY5XJ BlU8xzH1jK5pGsgTjkWOYkEGkVghSpHblzFgQn5LBLOjqYAYFSMm3JT+A7z2FB35+VPgAAAAAElF TkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: David Sylvian's _Died in the Wool (1)_: "A Certain Slant of Light" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:cyd@stupidchicken.com::VDWLAqVapA9MGocn:00000000000000000000000000000000000000009162 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::OVJ4p6qRZRMKrCZU:0000000000000000000000000000000000000E6Bf X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:jidanni@jidanni.org::gz84uUi27BFqNmJS:000000000000000000000000000000000000000001JPLD X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::+y3N0XzHpFfoLvoh:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001FQAu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QeCWs-0004f6-2P X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310503654.16016@l0y7mw5zXGAq7HSouCc6LA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> Isn't burying a buffer the more common "quit"-like action in most modes? >> I guess there's no real standard for that, so having `q' be >> `kill-buffer' sounds OK to me. > > AFAIK, usually `q' is bound to `quit-window'. Which hides the window and buries the buffer. But doesn't kill it, like `view-mode' does. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 20:58:25 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2011 00:58:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeGRc-0003Oi-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:58:25 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeGRa-0003OW-N0 for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:58:23 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAO6yE05FxIV4/2dsb2JhbABSqA14iHrDdYY2BJ5chCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,482,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="120615803" Received: from 69-196-133-120.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.133.120]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 Jul 2011 20:58:16 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6FC68592B2; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 20:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:58:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:47:16 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >>> Isn't burying a buffer the more common "quit"-like action in most modes? >>> I guess there's no real standard for that, so having `q' be >>> `kill-buffer' sounds OK to me. >> AFAIK, usually `q' is bound to `quit-window'. > Which hides the window and buries the buffer. But doesn't kill it, like > `view-mode' does. C-u q does. And in any case, I was just describing the usual binding used in special-modes, regardless of whether it behaves like view-mode. FWIW, I find view-mode's behavior generally odd and hard to predict (as a user), so I don't think it's crucial to always follow its lead. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 10:03:07 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 14:03:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhMVL-00043N-ML for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:03:07 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhMUs-00041N-H6; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:02:38 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhMUZ-00072c-K4; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:02:15 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:58:16 -0400") Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:53:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _Some Great Reward_: "It Doesn't Matter" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:jidanni@jidanni.org::alROaUBE4+6jq8qw:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000006U5x X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::UBNNivfc/4fcdV5I:0000000000000000000000000000000000000Mp2o X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::uvI0j7onPr/M4OMz:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000R5yH X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:cyd@stupidchicken.com::BqUKFwF4qx9yJv5r:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000VbUa X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:6954@debbugs.gnu.org::/lXw/+FbPL3dsmep:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001EEGi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhMUZ-00072c-K4 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311256935.73255@Y2joUx4xsunIgl5jjiatYA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > C-u q does. And in any case, I was just describing the usual binding > used in special-modes, regardless of whether it behaves like view-mode. > FWIW, I find view-mode's behavior generally odd and hard to predict (as > a user), so I don't think it's crucial to always follow its lead. No, but it would be nice if `v' in dired always did the same thing with `q'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 17:27:30 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 21:27:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhpuw-0002d2-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:27:30 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhpum-0002ce-RB; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:27:20 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEED20806E; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=KYWvCpnKQhAzBHTekCq0ufVeyUZXryAc+W3/6n1/JNgh4tjiE 9J50zXUj4As+m8c1DGA90s215ujgGrLBoJgtjrcRD90SUNShO7NokMBeN/8xAbvM LXjbNgmh+6HZfssXpcaWFsQ4IbnVcgPO8XpIGD6Lr561wKRv2xAIVYbSlE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=UQ2Gq4sY1/ObsGoHOtKAzsmPtEQ=; b=h8cYMI9PwLRx1 JqMvq6dVPAfXz5FrhhQkXX0s0rDsbVMcfgX3Gi2FzhcLw2Irdl8J12CNu7FTmq0t x0axCo567Bf0nEHlGe7wuoNcp4Ht65QAyynCm8/HN5NdIfFJPAAzC+p332z3ChTD zdNf8eNHyYycuZXQn2IpctdPvOFOro= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-108.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 156F620806C; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: larsi@gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:27:06 +0800 Message-ID: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) Now broken even more in emacs-snapshot: Installed: 1:20110705-1 $ emacs -Q a_directory_with_images type v on an image type q Now guess what we are looking at? Back to the directory? No. You folks buried it! And the image is also buried, not killed, too! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 17:30:43 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 21:30:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhpy3-0003YP-5J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:30:43 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhpxx-0003KW-Ph; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:30:37 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhpxk-00054f-7T; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:30:20 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:27:06 +0800") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:30:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUZCggfDw0lExFTLi0c DAoWBwZglQfRAAACWElEQVQ4jY1TQZIbIQzUOHAfsezdgP2Ahc0dZjV3yjb//0pajF3ZVHIIh6kp urpbagkqJafy/aQUca4U/33+D2B2fwOBmYU5hD+B41qksXsigQ4Jdp4Wao1biIfeASihEhnT8Dfv iwKOefUkppKAMwmpPBmt1QqCvBhFAXVmszdrSDh8A9Q7iEAKH6/NaEbKCDDx0xwFBxefAP7YM0m3 RNDiA8hgpMDeG0PVeONFPZ5AyeiieSjR4onjC8AHDg0U9VieUpHgE4L3DRUJN233aQ4CAJTlq3Go ajaRJhCdttj8GyIU9xvIIM8YyyuoOXnKUPU6I7m0yCjxADT2EIM3TZDiBtvvgFMhby5knF7NotIr dk/5g74AZCh8YNcopjjnXWvtJWvxLvgtAIAFi19XJDLFVQBVUIiaOZ+R7KbxBL9UTOWLlMDRr5gs GirxUs1ajWwUArrCSkl1ycRyaaJj8e5YOHjDr9BSvCHU3c1G4GPdcjjllkiK0IV0MqJA4JD3Wlp8 R10/x24tWVEppB6r2bZ9SF7OfWD6vU4P7Bu2J5Vw/+xk7WIXkbkl0WGnN9l7Ot8q9WXYxqSr6+f8 VrqVYYcea5rOI6bMoZpW+6VTHxNclIGcNengaYzH6IBGX44G346X/EkDGIGFZVKhlJDRAztNt+cT TB/z4UTdS0450jSWOu5Z08WmrTro1cC220EACmFgtVrkWhDS1rux3ez0o+igDK2n/UzW1PvneFCn Q4o99ffHvg/bia9Di7XjvlPkqn+Q7hTHdRzn1inU3pcVjY2TOR1lKen6Cy4NqooS7o3uAAAAAElF TkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: LCD Soundsystem's _LCD Soundsystem (1)_: "On Repeat" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:jidanni@jidanni.org::YfoKPP/nsf0BLBFP:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000003eI8 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:cyd@stupidchicken.com::lPiEG4tgJsX9e71t:00000000000000000000000000000000000000006N2M X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::Owc4xumUqaxZbJ+B:0000000000000000000000000000000000000Lpw2 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:6954@debbugs.gnu.org::k43rL7IXXtK5r9vJ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000gfxL X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::LC7iVY3zJoSnLdys:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001YgvU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhpxk-00054f-7T X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311370220.49329@VbkusxNx/glFPkTZ9B3EjA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > Now broken even more in > emacs-snapshot: > Installed: 1:20110705-1 > > $ emacs -Q a_directory_with_images > type v on an image > type q > Now guess what we are looking at? > Back to the directory? > No. > You folks buried it! > And the image is also buried, not killed, too! I don't think anything has actually changed with the bug you reported, but yeah, wow. `q' popped to a totally different buffer than I expected. Is this a part of the switch-to-buffer/window thingie rework? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 18:57:52 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 22:57:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhrKR-0005XZ-K2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:57:51 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhrKO-0005XI-Kz; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:57:50 -0400 Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so1478415iye.3 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:57:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=r+fweW+OYmN4zDQR7suA6it+MGnQ4DNfSA6Q+aY+si0=; b=jvvS4Sq6DvZzpLZX8Y5XRqPKNYbMbMNc/+sZflOW2MeqruzTwZOrwUEdQKxmyupjOH PHftMIbwvVFzMNR1ztg7ilQwvu8eNz9PJpwgxtMg3LWfTWl5rK/8op4xd48HrOrTwgFg oVz61nAIWrMvGt4MMoqWcjMUoG2cCLsuiy1wU= Received: by 10.42.154.8 with SMTP id o8mr2148860icw.503.1310770662869; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (71-208-199-22.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.199.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d8sm1846605icy.9.2011.07.15.15.57.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E20C5DE.6070107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:57:34 -0600 From: Christoph Scholtes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) On 7/15/2011 3:30 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> $ emacs -Q a_directory_with_images >> type v on an image >> type q >> Now guess what we are looking at? >> Back to the directory? >> No. >> You folks buried it! >> And the image is also buried, not killed, too! > > I don't think anything has actually changed with the bug you reported, > but yeah, wow. `q' popped to a totally different buffer than I > expected. > > Is this a part of the switch-to-buffer/window thingie rework? I can reproduce the described behavior with build from a couple of minutes ago. According to describe-key, the `q' key is bound to quit-window. The `q' key should bury the buffer (image). `z' will kill it. All of this is consistent with image-mode using special-mode map, which maps `q' to quit-window and `z' to kill buffer. Not sure though, why `q' does not switch back to the dired buffer. It seems to put the dired buffer second in the buffer list and switch to the buffer which is first in the list. Christoph From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 19:22:31 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 23:22:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhriI-00067N-TA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:22:31 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhriG-000672-KM; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:22:29 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7297F10AFAB; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=WJFzJ3iVw/HYjOcf/ELOQ5n1zO41qHG16gHTMa8IuH6JpqJCs rE0f14AUlwdUbpiWGVQGtkUt77BCjrnkqoHrhhMOGXs03m2ambB/ceCSFdfe0PcQ uYNz4HfXi3TEiibzGCqqYjlEEd7pxFRPdfq4f/LHfx6VWbnk8bYKbf3ZUM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=z+pr7q56RPV2MSmPJLVhJPA0t5c=; b=BqP+Dpw9z28qI gfekNWvW457CjyjqTXkiirVOpBxaJGjFnvYCDyo8GA58GCyb3t+e+EffxmpFKiLN 6F9Fm2UrBdbTmwizlAQhMaEc3YILF9eHVG+yl/QlYeNdiTUMO/B3ebIsynX1NlcP cJyoiU9rWBX3g/WL1TxiQufs2cqMm8= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-108.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0256710AFAA; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:22:21 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: cschol2112@googlemail.com Subject: Re: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <4E20C5DE.6070107@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 07:22:17 +0800 Message-ID: <871uxryvrq.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) All I am asking is for the same actions for the same keys. I'm willing to learn the new keys, as long as they are consistent. Currently q and z act differently, depending on if one is viewing a image vs. non image. Even though both I got to via a "v" in dired. CS> Not sure though, why `q' does not switch back to the dired buffer. It CS> seems to put the dired buffer second in the buffer list and switch to CS> the buffer which is first in the list. That needs to be fixed too. That started last week. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 19:36:01 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 23:36:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhrvM-0006QE-3L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:36:00 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhrvK-0006Pz-Di; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:35:59 -0400 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1480327iwn.3 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qwWgoLXnXb4QjLMcC7vQqXP3MPmJdnCoFcN0tLZczHY=; b=spQW0lqObBhzjSZDg+a3DCd7PEzhZG7QR1C4mcd/QT47E+NS65Jg8RTRZ0S4NT4iwb +kTpqwjOxIrX6t3It5n5HNnoOVcOAVQ9+xGU7YdrAZWeatDVM04L0VQRN6fxnQ38M0xD 5mI37HCNoAbXzcdUqYJAY/0xh+xn1wjYD+osk= Received: by 10.42.149.72 with SMTP id u8mr4113570icv.253.1310772952779; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (71-208-132-119.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.132.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3sm1079004iba.40.2011.07.15.16.35.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E20CED6.4070207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:35:50 -0600 From: Christoph Scholtes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <4E20C5DE.6070107@gmail.com> <871uxryvrq.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <871uxryvrq.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) On 7/15/2011 5:22 PM, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > All I am asking is for the same actions for the same keys. > I'm willing to learn the new keys, as long as they are consistent. > Currently q and z act differently, depending on if one is viewing a > image vs. non image. > > Even though both I got to via a "v" in dired. Most other files (all?) are opened in view-mode, which binds `q' and `z' differently. I think view-mode and special-mode need to agree on how to map certain keys, e.g. `q', i.e. common operations like quit or kill-buffer. Either by deriving view-mode from special-mode or matching the maps. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 19:39:19 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 23:39:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhryY-0006VX-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:39:19 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhryU-0006VC-SK; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:39:16 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhryI-0006fQ-9E; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:39:02 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Christoph Scholtes Subject: Re: bug#8615: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <4E20CED6.4070207@gmail.com> (Christoph Scholtes's message of "Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:35:50 -0600") Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:38:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4E20C5DE.6070107@gmail.com> <871uxryvrq.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E20CED6.4070207@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEWBhIsDAwX8/PxdXWPU 2N0ICAowMTT////+//4SEhX/JO+HAAACVklEQVQ4jVWUwYrbMBCGh5XxuTrkkFtRDZujWruG3Iwr Nj1uCAr4lkW7Aj2B97yX+Jg2jUFv25mxnGQHQsJ80v9rRqNAySEAI8ZYqRQFTAAY2O51BuoT6G47 EGjUmUC5/1kVrSnww0DPwO3eqkK1RaFMktKcF9bav6TyMXsIMQE81T/WH2ZzmGIdgntojfk9DMMH LPyVoJQdN0qtEAwgpdw7PnKwdmvtqcc4HhlIuaDFlLa2eyTQJyAXW2Rbiajb9BwJyIXE1VLegT+Y 9KhCW0iMpQi8yMX5xdqLTbHvE/gu93UX3KV725KSPc/gBSW8KzsH6+0nQH5e5A4LzImc7oA96Roy Y0xu78AS7y2WmvJMnmfwRdgYR835zKzt7gYCtvvAoMnj7bhLX4Y4jky0D5crkHT6McTKqKez92F3 B7AStMmKEEP01zqW2wnEEUK84NdDAjuow0j+cYwcXaUYPIvcHwoQdYy4z1NVjjoPJwSjadq2eIqj qwnEBwb5moRcpr7igDkfu0v8MYFwoUP5Q4ZtdFzuK4FziNjf6DEAnpzw1Ae+2iVtwHTp4ZBjG0IC eKfdiHkncIRF6YMP8XBEEGbwrSyxiyTpDzgQ4LFsAjSLWSMYsDmZoUXNz6GBmswqBiFO3hRVU9IK LtB7KsJPc60bUQoNmwn4ab2eXxZk3ETMoYNOOSiazEzdxZfmvWhgXqzm2SWAFSSQbomBFnVZtWnL 5gY0aKEb04ChYTzeAGS/EKhHdVXnGABaZRqjjsf+feBMjz/e8Tlnq/7DtOmfZTXwU17hz/9AaVrq Q1IuCQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: LCD Soundsystem's _This Is Happening_: "Dance Yrself Clean" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:6954@debbugs.gnu.org::UgNaWgg5cH8mpEXe:000000000000000000000000000000000000000001GBU X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:cyd@stupidchicken.com::2NCvCOK+qulZpb7t:00000000000000000000000000000000000000006CEE X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::233HTO/eNZFzBsFg:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000UKAf X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:emacs-devel@gnu.org::jaXWkyk3G/wVYvxG:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000U4x6 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:cschol2112@googlemail.com::pd1kqoVN4blZDx8C:000000000000000000000000000000000000YLis X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:jidanni@jidanni.org::otmP/hsEvd8e234c:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000rfVu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhryI-0006fQ-9E X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311377942.44328@CGpQcyab717c3J96TjOXWg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Christoph Scholtes writes: > Most other files (all?) are opened in view-mode, which binds `q' and > z' differently. I think view-mode and special-mode need to agree on > how to map certain keys, e.g. `q', i.e. common operations like quit or > kill-buffer. Either by deriving view-mode from special-mode or > matching the maps. It's not a view-mode issue. Open up a directory in dired. Select a sub-directory. Type `q'. End up in a buffer that wasn't the one you started in. So `quit-window' and friends have apparently gotten a bit confused in the last couple of days. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 20:40:35 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 00:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhsvq-0007st-Jb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:40:35 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhsvo-0007sc-9F; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:40:32 -0400 Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so1525410iye.3 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:40:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ru04iTqCJViLZeMNq1+UhhcdFrqMKLXmsPaq8dDlbOc=; b=Qoa3vKMct9E3mZsHj8bNRT5bgOE7YMqxp+V8VF0OA2BJBDW4ctVU4qrYp8G1G17KaZ dgBvb4/rYhMJqjhy2r6GnqJBOv+8uCaMyHfWVPnAipXjgfBMlrKuCB5jMf/UbDj/dN4V 8MfJ28xrPPGjMsyiKZIcqG6DlU6vXEXwhqIEo= Received: by 10.42.162.138 with SMTP id y10mr4236700icx.213.1310776826652; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (71-208-132-119.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.132.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q4sm1158856ibb.49.2011.07.15.17.40.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E20DDF8.4070702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:40:24 -0600 From: Christoph Scholtes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6954: bug#8615: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <4E20C5DE.6070107@gmail.com> <871uxryvrq.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E20CED6.4070207@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) On 7/15/2011 5:38 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Christoph Scholtes writes: > >> Most other files (all?) are opened in view-mode, which binds `q' and >> z' differently. I think view-mode and special-mode need to agree on >> how to map certain keys, e.g. `q', i.e. common operations like quit or >> kill-buffer. Either by deriving view-mode from special-mode or >> matching the maps. > > It's not a view-mode issue. IMO, it is very much a view-mode issue. The original issue description states that v q should remove the image buffer, i.e. kill it. It will never do this, since image-mode uses special mode map, and special-mode buries on `q', whereas other modes use view-mode. view-mode does kill the buffer on q, but I believe exit-action has to be set correctly. > Open up a directory in dired. Select a sub-directory. Type `q'. End > up in a buffer that wasn't the one you started in. > > So `quit-window' and friends have apparently gotten a bit confused in > the last couple of days. This is a separate issue and needs to be fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 08:24:54 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 12:24:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi3vO-0007Th-Bj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:24:54 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207] helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi3vF-0007TH-00; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:24:45 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E10208069; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org ; b=oVfe9AswEK8J90Ktbhos9iSsE/Gbjd9y4TdLLB5KCbNmOCrdN7SX2KhHwEWb NY670ypCXZGeVUY7bR6vURA/p9uDvnCrZ0XhKQ9En1fZU2RJ4DPixOuC8EToe/yc 6ltHKfSDDQ74v/E9kgcJ6nfDzFddxumYmLYZHAgUp1ZV90M= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=bxbLgzyjZi28dww8W9sg5OrXF7E=; b=kS7Hh6mqQuE1AYFV u3GbwbJAFeAhE+4Zdug320wWWlWh0eSnCF42GOjvfzOmiiID9FmYv/bmI9gd6nUM hTdBa+l4qa2BYOaAn8u58DxbH2qmoYIiE5rHPGeONWWGe5HwDk9s6uEmuak73snS DxzXUOGEJkSU0k5Qi1ZLUeQxqSQ= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-34.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A09C208063; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: larsi@gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:24:30 +0800 Message-ID: <87mxgequpt.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) After years of using v q SPC v q SPC v q SPC to view photos in dired, you fellows latest tinkering has really thrown a monkey wrench into my life. Though I even in my previous letter promised to learn the new ways, I am afraid that is no longer possible. Therefore perhaps someone can provide me with a doctors prescription I can put into .emacs, that would make v and q act like the good old days. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 09:12:02 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 13:12:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi4f3-00007Z-EZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:12:01 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi4er-000073-Tc for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:11:51 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2011 13:11:43 -0000 Received: from 62-47-56-15.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.56.15]) [62.47.56.15] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2011 15:11:43 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19jSspCepxjZiLeDo34KoqoHAVt6w988tAm2JZeEy apavNByNrQCfvZ Message-ID: <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:11:38 +0200 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >> $ emacs -Q a_directory_with_images >> type v on an image >> type q >> Now guess what we are looking at? >> Back to the directory? >> No. >> You folks buried it! >> And the image is also buried, not killed, too! > > I don't think anything has actually changed with the bug you reported, > but yeah, wow. `q' popped to a totally different buffer than I > expected. > > Is this a part of the switch-to-buffer/window thingie rework? It is ;-) As a matter of fact it's the combination of (1) a bug in Emacs 23's `pop-to-buffer' causing it to _not_ reselect the selected window when it's used for displaying the buffer, and (2) a recent change which had `find-file' use `pop-to-buffer' instead of `set-window-buffer'. Hopefully fixed now (the bug in Emacs 23 remains unfixed since noone has complained about it yet - after all `pop-to-buffer' was supposed to use any but the selected window). Thanks for complaining, martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 11:19:43 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 15:19:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi6ec-0003EM-S1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:19:43 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi6eZ-0003E6-TI; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:19:40 -0400 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so1830181iwn.3 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:19:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D/6YtxKa+I3lawfzXJMw2NhhY47uQdiBxuwFr9wjhwQ=; b=mu6rMKlb7DNIFwSOIt/TczTZ2Qmt9E01tsaCSRsfob6ldY/lHnMM6dfuo3WFpE/06j V4RJOJwpr8LaLxw5HrZdth0DBwWepMGimBXK+oJ+r0QwkYOH48wKnZTshKSAODgsn3I7 v7QK5xwnPhDAiqPPwStOL+txLsaZzjScYixyo= Received: by 10.42.151.131 with SMTP id e3mr2198283icw.507.1310829573945; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (71-208-132-119.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.132.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm1607401ibc.54.2011.07.16.08.19.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E21AC02.6080603@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:19:30 -0600 From: Christoph Scholtes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) On 7/16/2011 7:11 AM, martin rudalics wrote: > Hopefully fixed now (the bug in Emacs 23 remains unfixed since noone has > complained about it yet - after all `pop-to-buffer' was supposed to use > any but the selected window). Now it behaves correctly on `q' and switches back to the dired buffer. Thanks for the fix. However, the original issue reported is still not resolved. `q' buries the buffer and does not kill it, like it used to before special-mode was introduced. Maybe Stefan or Chong can comment on whether this is to be regarded an issue or not. I still think view-mode and special-mode need to be aligned in terms of these common actions. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 11:25:17 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 15:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi6k1-0003MG-FS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:25:17 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi6jy-0003M2-Mp for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:25:15 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi6jl-000115-5A; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:25:01 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Christoph Scholtes Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> (Christoph Scholtes's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:19:30 -0600") Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:24:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUAAAAuR2FriqAaIysI CgwBAAEOB3GGAAACXElEQVQ4jW1Sy3LkIAzU1sB9DJ77gpP7YMHdE+BOyvD/v7ItO0lNslH5hdpq tR5UciylrZMYcySiRppwBbaBd38AlnkDcokDz1hiyW/euxOI+DdXlkDdxlhPAFysNRVSm8TAjIed ZOASQB9+BbcDYNxkN9Jx7FujKtm8mSYAwncHUN8BFAFAYswJ3FLjLYBQCdUhFmxuMjdLOYUGp9z2 BCQwhQHVcHbcWvzm0GWudn/JsYk2KX+1DwFAZRc31wFfuUNyZvcI3kOuAThHkZotar9YLsZJ+cau 1nJC/T1vFFUo2Uh9AJwN0w1Une+q0IPD2S3P87p6J62ckmK6sPHu7QCiJGuamJPKQ69nG2fvbsE4 vg+aKivWw5xtr8EvK/tbRAltT9zU6jOHpEr2i7FmLoggFR93vboRQtIxywSgDIAe/XFVPuaHv1Iu aKVfPKZuqfdg312fV/9XlwjVSBcqXamUwGF5VOOasix7kdlWTLBnHmZaenGkmLt3jnlK0sZg6Y3n klFv5mpmKTKhjaNHtCTmuDTaSzGvrpYJK9lHSehY6u51QHp9f1lax+KNpstGKqS+vuqhsDrLsin8 ixXGIHXhst90U5EE6LkC6Hlgi3q5yCwLacYgcpPkRUZ/KX/uOGCoKt/Vez1U4dH3/XLFu4CufwBa lnHnrrYzQo/YuUJVzzioeO59EzVJY4H6GLLCtNG5+RpAk5rH8X1wfJrspqYxRmvn6cn0oDY+v7+c 8jWQnH4zAOPp8Ez1BHw52y/eD2bJ/C2Hru07bXuK0F/Ac8zh1a39B/xk+KEL1z+Qmoj5UwCA2gAA AABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Shine_: "Night Of The Iguana" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:jidanni@jidanni.org::wJUxh+tUnTqpjAci:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000008uZV X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::yrm0pXJjPcxzTQ0J:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000DapK X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:6954@debbugs.gnu.org::uOvHuqk6oex8vb5g:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000GRTs X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:emacs-devel@gnu.org::qE7CALFP6ZOKSuaQ:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FedI X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:rudalics@gmx.at::32xr9LIJGJlmCsc9:01E2zH X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:cyd@stupidchicken.com::Vb4fcg5jNVjcz+mI:0000000000000000000000000000000000000001E9Rs X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:cschol2112@googlemail.com::o42xuX5FUJN8kPBR:000000000000000000000000000000000002YxSs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qi6jl-000115-5A X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311434701.22731@+98tH7Uq7vGjPyjAaAsY5g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: martin rudalics , cyd@stupidchicken.com, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Christoph Scholtes writes: > I still think view-mode and special-mode need to be aligned in terms > of these common actions. What's the reason `view-mode' is inhibited for `special' modes? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 22:10:46 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 02:10:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiGof-0002Nz-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:10:46 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiGod-0002Ni-WF; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:10:44 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAChEIk5MCqt8/2dsb2JhbABSp3V4iHzAcYY8BJ8nhDA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,215,1309752000"; d="scan'208";a="126225319" Received: from 76-10-171-124.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.171.124]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 16 Jul 2011 22:10:38 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3351E660D5; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:10:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:10:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:53:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> C-u q does. And in any case, I was just describing the usual binding >> used in special-modes, regardless of whether it behaves like view-mode. >> FWIW, I find view-mode's behavior generally odd and hard to predict (as >> a user), so I don't think it's crucial to always follow its lead. > No, but it would be nice if `v' in dired always did the same thing > with `q'. Why? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 22:24:10 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 02:24:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiH1d-0002hE-Hg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:24:09 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiH1Y-0002gU-HA; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:24:05 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiH1L-00007p-BW; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:23:51 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:10:38 -0400") Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:23:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wrfxwf7y.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwmkvkf0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEX47tXQ09wVDg0/LSW4 wdCIk7SRcWpXQjSXq891VUNKEkZ8AAACKklEQVQ4jXWSMW/bMBCFKcAOshJxh2yBNGQNxIHIZieM a29OGyoe3dY6R1tQISC0dbACjQUaW+W/7R1JOxLaPkkUdR+f7o4SY6gFi+jGhmPW08la+Ynqxz/k 0TgaLMZsOpp0wqevep3v4O3uN+RTnWUasiwDNWZD/ahfdK61zjQJcp1nerdA8OICunFDs2xQtUbg Fi6beuljug9QddMRAVxee1NHtQO4IAPogYYAOTVA/h+w/wssqQh9fJWaudsPNnQGTKKbrcI4yoNT VzZ1DE9KPxAgkwcNVgyoGpnyngBq7QDA00RxIq8rD1wjpAfOCczMFYGtmh3AhJNGc0HApSOwghMP +EcCW6XQfgewHrNBcGwQDCiO8yms8aN7w7RFMAwPfMQZC9N5mV6wM7kjv/8BIs7x5I8CHTexuL7v /TUR/5zGFwjiWNp1l/BfaeqBKOWX9/igKOPgEFJcwgFFGyNEAEkqEnH9pqgT0G0ae0eaJjSVxhib FcbSQ3A4JUbKsjXCdEDigCBJU3YdSWUtQLG3tMNfPbjFRRa6sq2hPs73/SgUYAvbPrNze1SB175w 0/Ynm4co1uoieGFCdNxin6UwpJaGClMYAjdYZyiV5FYYa559uRTCbcEmDHaIcQSfXNuCOhd4lCWN AVTf46RMLjcCnZVP5IFPIvEwsqoqS+gqvIq2PqYc0tAulyLkSA+lUQ6nANy+QpGDj5ZHQJLwDQCL pl4ITOGfWv0B16JWP1UVP5kAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Tuxedomoon's _Holy Wars_ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:cyd@stupidchicken.com::7E+rdhL6Q2hfRaWA:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000K4qf X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::XQo9ycSkNgE7Uib5:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000LQNX X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:6954@debbugs.gnu.org::zK4hFdvOEaGFDamS:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000W28s X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:jidanni@jidanni.org::efWP2sPJHNQG/jm1:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000q9Uz X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::YKco37ry/LmDiurP:00000000000000000000000000000000000015GIE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QiH1L-00007p-BW X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311474232.12061@aZ3/hP+ApY2EiLefgpfawA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >>> C-u q does. And in any case, I was just describing the usual binding >>> used in special-modes, regardless of whether it behaves like view-mode. >>> FWIW, I find view-mode's behavior generally odd and hard to predict (as >>> a user), so I don't think it's crucial to always follow its lead. >> No, but it would be nice if `v' in dired always did the same thing >> with `q'. > > Why? If the user uses `v', they probably expects to see the article in view mode. If they didn't, they would have hit RET instead. One of the things that `v' gives you is `q'. QED. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 22:27:59 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 02:28:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiH5L-0002mw-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:27:59 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiH5I-0002md-NX; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:27:57 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B5351C063; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:27:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=F6dOQT6RzL8D5PdTurLz6ebCSPrZCsGJkTQZT+loJfkvbOUvn a2QOA3vqrgNoRLwiL1eZ8V9ZIyNjd7cGYAIsmNveJIw0JLKeX492LHFEx1dhv89a WQ/wkHybE8uaWHKohPci44iPRvH0ZN5mmzZeOU2fWcSiwLj7B2KOqDlKaw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=WozPl+wG2K9+LyU1q29bfWNSzJc=; b=AXkKKgRb/S+vI FRtXFRQOk/7c9HL54VcLeJBAXoLub0OKaOUxWVL2hJYOhtad3OUD9RB/3OWhRmxF FkwZftUiiJXpHnqsdbaqEWr4bU9JBKLP8o/f1EBtuGXvLgtgKxcNNQ5iXvWZyeqt 2rlbIdJSHtk0ONisZm1LiiZcHGMYUw= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-1-89.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.1.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F62F51C062; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:27:48 +0800 Message-ID: <87fwm57iaj.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier writes: >>> C-u q does. And in any case, I was just describing the usual binding >>> used in special-modes, regardless of whether it behaves like view-mode. >>> FWIW, I find view-mode's behavior generally odd and hard to predict (as >>> a user), so I don't think it's crucial to always follow its lead. >> No, but it would be nice if `v' in dired always did the same thing >> with `q'. SM> Why? Because when we hit q on a text file, it neatly disappears (from the buffer list), whereas hitting q on an image file oddly leaves it sitting on the buffer list, one look at which would shock one off ones chair -- my god how did I stuff emacs memory with all those images? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 18 10:42:58 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2011 14:42:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qip2A-00051h-JT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:42:58 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qip27-00051T-5C for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:42:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGVFJE5MCqt8/2dsb2JhbABUp3N4iHzCQYY8BJ8nhDA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,222,1309752000"; d="scan'208";a="126503973" Received: from 76-10-171-124.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.171.124]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 18 Jul 2011 10:42:49 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C56AC6660D; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:42:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:42:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:24:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , cyd@stupidchicken.com, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> I still think view-mode and special-mode need to be aligned in terms >> of these common actions. > What's the reason `view-mode' is inhibited for `special' modes? I think the problem here is that the notion of "special mode" is not well defined. Until recently I think it only applied to non-file modes, so did not affect dired's `v'. I'd tend to think that view-mode's refusal to run in special modes should not apply to files. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 19 11:03:50 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2011 15:03:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjBpq-0006S0-MG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:03:50 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjBpj-0006RY-DR for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:03:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjBpT-0006DX-Ri; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:03:23 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:42:48 -0400") Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:03:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAALVBMVEXXFh78+/e3AQX+/fzv fWniSUjqyryqAAD48Or+//31n4Tyt57////+//7v3tFwuiWvAAACD0lEQVQ4jZXTQYvTQBQA4CEY FDzqyQ1ScvEHiLBIlD2MlwjSQyKuJw9aiu3mUJCcRYVSSmERQaUWxOyCE1wQMUhGFkJAEpnk7KFe FEuwNb/ByWQzSZr14BAyyfvy3ptkCFAU8l3yyNHwlexsdFYzICkklPwzpDrSNJmB7CIqIi/YOZ4M 0wmoPuk742wKFpM1iK+v2Bx05rMavHzPIBh20/OA+CVsLPp5QmrUS3UWf7IppMfVGjh5Bnl68Upc hWA/XfF1VGFj3+gfC0v8j4xl0aMAb5IMJTphZ8EzAgqb9xFC2EiWGCc7FfjmWlCDCLnYdbsfKvAE wgxUhGzjsDMv4R60VAtC+/ARbb+USngMkYOdh9NsU770dkoYQbX7qrjFnypg3T4oWoYYj/MrD5DL UFPzyrRYz33DIYY6pC88Z+vp4RscAkuHn8k57XV2/xshpQB/ry2+jU+aD7LICFnjAsK7bfHWM9k0 +5vGcGTbHMjZNhB/DExTB0Cnn2bFIdYFIFNoAVFDCEoc/C0WN2WaYKOffFUk2hJoB3MgA03FjlIC oXCBQgtodrf4BhmE1wSZ1hoA8SAhVYiO4AR/vCj1kQIdp6J1+MWgtU3W4VIO7xrwlYFY7OqcQ8zg NGmAJ8gtAGqVcoiEluoY0yb4ws16NIuxjDv99TgF+l9NvUacZexKzbjig2aw7HHc2P1veP4X8esQ FQnOWRwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Coil's _The Ape Of Naples_: "Teenage Lightning 2005" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::gjZabXj56DAvFksJ:0000000000000000000000000000000000000F7zt X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:8615@debbugs.gnu.org::Ilbl9t9JTGXuvVps:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000Vzif X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:cyd@stupidchicken.com::IB/zYTXinSu6nquh:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000eYxI X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:jidanni@jidanni.org::K4O7pNb1sbwWw5xi:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000tBg9 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:cschol2112@googlemail.com::p+iVhy551VwY7/9d:000000000000000000000000000000000001VCDp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QjBpT-0006DX-Ri X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311692603.95972@GPyhcr+A9OgF472eL66xEg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , cyd@stupidchicken.com, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > I'd tend to think that view-mode's refusal to run in special modes > should not apply to files. I've now altered `view-mode' to allow running in `special' modes that are visiting a file. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 19 11:03:28 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2011 15:03:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjBpY-0006RM-8z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:03:28 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjBpW-0006RA-PL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:03:27 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjBpK-0006Cu-S6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:03:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:03:14 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8615 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QjBpK-0006Cu-S6 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311692595.10639@XcXzccYpjzmgKTUWocKcGQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8615 fixed close 8615 24.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 20 11:09:47 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jul 2011 15:09:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjYPD-0007F8-0y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:09:47 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjYP0-0007Ef-Lz; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:09:35 -0400 Received: from furball ([128.36.14.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6KF9RDF028877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:09:28 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Christoph Scholtes Subject: Re: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:09:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E21AC02.6080603@gmail.com> (Christoph Scholtes's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:19:30 -0600") Message-ID: <87pql5vviw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, martin rudalics , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , jidanni@jidanni.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Christoph Scholtes writes: > `q' buries the buffer and does not kill it, like it used to before > special-mode was introduced. > > I still think view-mode and special-mode need to be aligned in terms > of these common actions. I don't see why it's important for `q' to do exactly the same thing in view-mode and special-mode. It seems reasonable for `q' to bury the buffer in special-mode, which knows nothing about what the inheriting mode's buffers are for (so burying is safer than killing). In view-mode, killing the buffer is reasonable if we regard view-mode as a "less"-like quick way to view and then discard a file, in which case it would be a nuisance to keep the buffer around afterward. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 20 11:40:37 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jul 2011 15:40:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjYsz-0007wd-CY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:40:37 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.202] helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjYsp-0007wF-Ac; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:40:27 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645C734806F; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:40:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=Y6trfcTjs06a+LjHO30Bbrih6t/UPytiHLbt4WtBK0p6owkXp cglp1gqqU/TOXyO3uvukpP4/DTo+EmLtJRy+2pP0Vj8YevCr6g8dgO50rRnH4yaB CyrwgvzyK3YicAoEVfU4Xy3RMUHK2kh/zLIVm5/pc6BhpxJEWoVJkUJ9YE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=FDVWYLG7vkV/Qv5qlnAIJPcanyY=; b=XVDgXlpoxbu00 xS7tgokfIGdm/WluSDQZH1nwKR+1sDyxkKnGTZl9BdcXbrTFWNofdozk7WwehRJ4 0lVhvjUi16bLgZ6uS5Z39YvTovzUK6g1iQ1iORH0phYIg2s12/h5X9Y+gkybmaVp F3mCGnoATPt7wf+K/jjIJVbiu2NHpw= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-3-251.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.3.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF05B34806C; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: cyd@stupidchicken.com Subject: Re: bug#6954: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87pql5vviw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:40:13 +0800 Message-ID: <87wrfdm04i.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: cschol2112@googlemail.com, 6954@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >>>>> "CY" == Chong Yidong writes: CY> I don't see why it's important for `q' to do exactly the same thing in Well as long as there is a way for me the user to put something in his .emacs file to "make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files". Also like xli(1)'s q too. From unknown Wed Sep 10 01:58:32 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 21 18:33:42 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2011 23:33:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSdMs-0004y2-Co for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:33:42 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSdMp-0004xu-KU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:33:40 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4116E807E for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6B451C450 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: unarchive 8615 Organization: JURTA Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:32:08 +0200 Message-ID: <8762idt5l3.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) unarchive 8615 From unknown Wed Sep 10 01:58:32 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug No longer marked as fixed in versions 24.1 and reopened. Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:35:01 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug No longer marked as fixed in versions 24.1 and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 21 18:47:24 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2011 23:47:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSda7-00062B-Qo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:47:24 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSdZz-00061t-UQ for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:47:20 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D196E804F for <8615@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330FC451C450 for <8615@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:45:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:03:03 +0200") Message-ID: <87hb1xoxbw.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) This is a regression. It makes special modes `image-mode', `archive-mode' unusable when visited from dired because their keybindings are clobbered with view's keybindings. I propose to remove this regression by reverting revno#105285. The original request was for something different. The OP asked for killing the image buffer with `q', not visiting it with `view-mode'. There are different ways to do this properly. One is to rebind `q' to `kill-this-buffer' in `image-mode' (inherited from `special-mode-map'). This change will affect all users. Or to document a way to do this individually with a customization like Stefan demonstrated in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-10/msg01136.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 21 19:48:07 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 00:48:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeWp-0007Or-2t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:48:07 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeWi-0007OO-Tp for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:48:01 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeVJ-0005Lx-Qi; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:46:29 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <87hb1xoxbw.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:45:03 +0200") Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:46:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> <87hb1xoxbw.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUoIBpIPzbn4tiFfHAS DQlmXFLp119tAAACUElEQVQ4jU2UQW8iMQyFHZHe46a+b2fUO0PwPdVm7+MG//+/ss9AgSAk5C+x /V4ciIg41Wbup+W+mClNGiAk06z+xpcjUfIbSCIm9/Bp+RMBGpkoJ2b/PdGWT0oMQKWUb5E7aG02 vYFOJacAp2VtranPrbMwUuWeu7DViXCbztNGZxQfUb6az6n+o8Ks+4hgzwA8EXe192WyyA1QfK2q 0VSUWTaWyw1Q7sRS8nCdIb75B+KZOhrucWx4azdXtiugPMq4/joAtHYVU9IHFZBbzoRmFT2vIeZC nG+gjzyheq52Fui50LivPvq/UNj2M/SdzlEWsRxgVMQ9n7Ht7UwZ9QEC5SHNcg8wLpTjPtDTCAA6 T8fo8UzUCwj0wWYAKPmMvHGLVj5yyTAZ4C9UrHmkdCRmKyWXqNV7x52Uw46b3QhS13Vpx0wp9bR8 YTJakYPR/aa/MnGhw4pZ4lDjD4CJMX4/xnX7K/j8Tq5lMjkrw057PeG7Opvv47upPkB5c5NNkWgf YdojFadmGGCZzYdofYAvzI8WdhQWdvUHWIthyrThYwCyPgCquul0KUK8vZxgboquLHRg0xOITz+a sks9HK2uz+IstrGe1tDC89lVseo7w92pgml8FjcT3lM8BbRV5LW4Mb8tipRo7wUYzONDdC1A8nB3 hauwfYv9sAUv+hc0rmY/Frt5qpUn2KvxD4cB7G2nZyqrnCbjXTu+2yvAS63lahnHq/0VKAEmYhEt dXuxhFN/t6iOcalK19etbUMcqfi6ShIlfizMKmogHP8x/h++UrMl/gfhJwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Nadja & Troum's _Dominium Visurgis_: "Dominium Visurgis Part 3" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RSeVJ-0005Lx-Qi X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1322527590.15361@j1gVAOQH2JdiMRL614f3qA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Juri Linkov writes: > This is a regression. It makes special modes `image-mode', `archive-mode' > unusable when visited from dired because their keybindings are clobbered > with view's keybindings. That only happens if you use the `v' command instead of the ordinary `RET' command to view these files, right? If you're using the `v' command, you presumably want to see the files using `view-mode', since that's what that command is supposed to do. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 21 20:12:24 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 01:12:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeuN-0000Eb-H0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:12:24 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeuK-0000ES-BA for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:12:21 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51016E805A; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2643451C450; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <8762n3z13p.fsf@jidanni.org> <4E218E0A.6050302@gmx.at> <4E21AC02.6080603__48843.8568114818$1310829636$gmane$org@gmail.com> <87hb1xoxbw.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 03:04:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:46:06 +0100") Message-ID: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> This is a regression. It makes special modes `image-mode', `archive-mode' >> unusable when visited from dired because their keybindings are clobbered >> with view's keybindings. > > That only happens if you use the `v' command instead of the ordinary > `RET' command to view these files, right? > > If you're using the `v' command, you presumably want to see the files > using `view-mode', since that's what that command is supposed to do. Like jidanni, I used to type `v q SPC v q SPC v q SPC' to browse files in Dired. Now when images and archives are viewed with `v', keybindings overridden by view.el are useless (except `q'), so functionality of these modes is broken. It's a pain to be careful of using the right key for different kind of files: to type `RET' to view images and archives, or to type `v' to view other files. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 00:45:42 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 05:45:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSjAs-0006dW-9z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:45:42 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207] helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSjAp-0006dO-Lb for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:45:40 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD3D20806C; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:44:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=c3V5ZZcXgCeSFhVpmF3xlEZSYDvkbrQz7zzKC4ibJZ0XyY2T3 HB3oF+wjji4w8n8HSshoGYDUp+7qzHfXO5YWMbGZHbykN1Mi/Dqi1zwNPpklDp8A Y7DMj7uDOqPmyHlVNj7iyiOwdaEdsxpXjOf2vYjN9Nzgdn9ArrwrcL+aZo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=1v41j94xOf3OXzbKGcq2bJXNjf0=; b=SWz1f4serAbUC ZNH6gOTHeqAisAnCm/4y+iZhEc0a+TIUhns+B57y9a1en3R8PjV4gHZNJJ/16u4R W0wkaMAqb7tPF7QFcK444ohuJahn0lD3OLm321yVn4lBTW8k/QjM1Stt+IfdnY5Z 6oLy5U8Za1GSoYYZ7dFSmEeF5iNh40= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-21-183.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.21.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A32E720806B; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:44:17 +0800 Message-ID: <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov writes: JL> Like jidanni, I used to type `v q SPC v q SPC v q SPC' to browse files in Dired. JL> Now when images and archives are viewed with `v', keybindings overridden JL> by view.el are useless (except `q'), so functionality of these modes is broken. JL> It's a pain to be careful of using the right key for different kind of files: JL> to type `RET' to view images and archives, or to type `v' to view other files. No need, everything seems to be working fine now with emacs -q in Package: emacs-snapshot Version: 1:20111121-1 The only things left in the *Buffer List* after lots of v q SPC v q SPC are directories... but I guess there is some reason to keep them laying around? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 11:29:33 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 16:29:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RStDx-0005rG-FO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:29:33 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RStDu-0005r8-Je for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:29:31 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA8F6E807E; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C82451C368; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:27:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:44:17 +0800") Message-ID: <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > JL> Like jidanni, I used to type `v q SPC v q SPC v q SPC' to browse files in Dired. > JL> Now when images and archives are viewed with `v', keybindings overridden > JL> by view.el are useless (except `q'), so functionality of these modes is broken. > > JL> It's a pain to be careful of using the right key for different kind of files: > JL> to type `RET' to view images and archives, or to type `v' to view other files. > > No need, everything seems to be working fine now with emacs -q in > Package: emacs-snapshot Version: 1:20111121-1 Do you view images with `v q SPC v q SPC'? When viewing images with `v', image-mode is broken because image viewing keybindings are rebound to functions of view.el. Perhaps you visit only small images that fit into the screen, so you don't need to use image-mode keys other than `q'. But when images are larger and you need to scroll them, you are screwed. > The only things left in the *Buffer List* after lots of v q SPC v q SPC > are directories... but I guess there is some reason to keep them laying around? I have the same problem with directories, so I have in .emacs: (defun quit-window-kill-buffer () "Quit WINDOW and kill its buffer." (interactive) (quit-window t)) (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 13:37:30 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 18:37:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSvDl-0000Z6-P0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:37:30 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.74] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSvDi-0000Yx-Uf for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:37:28 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6B4284071; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:36:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=EDDhOWZNEzf36Cvc0Mlvxxw+Ass3Oe2v13S0X5NDH6ob5vClU w2GMk4tlY4X0bElOxrZ3oHlIH5YU+w5TZb5Tv/LiD8FtYyaN+ULyEpDOmDIAJEGF eLAA/GuAEf0UT7iQAptoEwM/fob2E25velw2zGnPTGKooiLZyWnIQZfNUc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=jrFY/hRKWskaMjZ5gR/BwS+NgZU=; b=EKalUbPvf9ph9 vPbPm8KaQpW34Dws2Pv7tHExN3rBqe7NBnk0uz4AtdhJp7dXERZIhKQAGkVS/l5W Zza8IawuP8VUdw/lTvUiKxA2+VF2DCAVIl5qGE4gf9tsZt+dtTk9qEbBikNV0FHh BIkS02lPZZusJOG6buvSDaKgNWFQpo= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-21-169.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.21.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A40B528406E; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:36:01 +0800 Message-ID: <87wrasvwby.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov writes: JL> Perhaps you visit only small images that fit into the screen, JL> so you don't need to use image-mode keys other than `q'. JL> But when images are larger and you need to scroll them, you are screwed. Hmmm, well the only difference I see is C-h m doesn't give a key list ... Also no key to reduce the size so an image fits in the buffer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 13:56:44 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 18:56:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSvWO-00011C-0T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:56:44 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSvWM-000115-ES for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:56:43 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90A56E806B; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CAD451C368; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:55:15 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87wrasvwby.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:51:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wrasvwby.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:36:01 +0800") Message-ID: <87fwhg56t3.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > JL> Perhaps you visit only small images that fit into the screen, > JL> so you don't need to use image-mode keys other than `q'. > JL> But when images are larger and you need to scroll them, you are screwed. > Hmmm, well the only difference I see is C-h m doesn't give a key list You can see the difference with `C-h b'. Then you will see: RET image-toggle-animation SPC image-scroll-up DEL image-scroll-down vs. RET View-scroll-line-forward SPC View-scroll-page-forward DEL View-scroll-page-backward > ... Also no key to reduce the size so an image fits in the buffer. `image-scale-fit-height' is intended to be bound to `c f h' in `image-transform-mode', but for some reason it's commented out. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 14:04:17 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 19:04:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSvdg-0001Ea-Nz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:04:17 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83] helo=homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSvde-0001ES-El for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:04:15 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D5E25C064; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:02:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=KG1fGPofmH6EPxuFzv3whiRjlRSKIARo44Bpnj24ldCBAVQz/ RMu48YQoq9qwXdEN+QbV45L3QroYyoqpThusIs4mwtylhzM7wDbHMJNgoIU8n1YQ zOklCg7x/04g0dF+Emc0rnp9yQmwe743N090l+Ols2PIMm4lA8PSRVLlzs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=CMV8UqOBaSGWixFWVdm3Rws6SJU=; b=UZLipWWKOu+dZ H5H5WioXpG741OYWzJeRCmMo2IveErf1qDB6ph8fW+zTu76OdvxI1cHKyztLeTZV qzbIwzPen7aLPHJVW8G8HZ/PR9nQiAdCGav0Lbu32mAvIrEkfWdF6zX5eMjZexzw QnNkWRT55hAcY/BOeUsjUnVnHRDxWg= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-21-169.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.21.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4775525C062; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87fwhg56t3.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:02:49 +0800 Message-ID: <87r510vv3a.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov writes: JL> You can see the difference with `C-h b'. OK, but usually we look in C-h m... anyway I was doing OK with the arrow keys. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 17:43:44 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 22:43:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSz43-0007N5-Jz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:43:44 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSz41-0007Mx-82 for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:43:42 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0B66E8079; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325C6451C60B; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:42:12 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:39:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:44:17 +0800") Message-ID: <87lir7ye3c.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > The only things left in the *Buffer List* after lots of v q SPC v q SPC > are directories... but I guess there is some reason to keep them laying around? Following the same strict logic, typing `v' on a directory should enable `view-mode' in Dired mode, so jidanni could use `q' to kill Dired buffers. Of course, this makes no sense, like it makes no sense to enable `view-mode' in Archive mode that is very similar to Dired mode. So I see only one way to resolve this situation it to revert the regression (another reason to do that is that logic of enabling `view-mode' should be the same as in `toggle-read-only' that checks only for special mode, not for `buffer-file-name'). As for the request for `q' to kill Dired and Image buffers, we could recommend jidanni to put in his .emacs these two lines: (global-set-key [remap quit-window] (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 22 18:37:05 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 23:37:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSztg-0000CI-F7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:37:05 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSztd-0000Bs-Ir for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:37:03 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2858578077; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:35:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=ZYhp+aDvEYFmWKR/ZDE8m9SADl1zl0IpbYK/ygV7B3EfgMhYA fQKR/SfMFOi2iLvRStPuA1sMl6+9815C0kvXUTsBRF04f4BSVetTnNo9dDuQ8o3D I+TDtYaE9v5UXZYEVmn5qetsmLN63JJsedYc6ZRCuatRLlptkbaU++Hwm8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=2nc8M0cKDadue+dqWiOcd18+HhM=; b=G9cTD+ocUMAub Nw7u0jhmihEPXlgSM+BAwRBG09+mRiTMt2pW/bawT9ukBITY3nE/H+aZmUsgKRra cxiQmgEQwDqR3vHNnu2RGSj5/xqG4ldCCdhc2/BiYYkUKE1tYObCp71+ykwt8vLa OKxc4hldL0kElDlETv3xokqG7+3+kY= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-17-39.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.17.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37E46578059; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87lir7ye3c.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:35:34 +0800 Message-ID: <87hb1vwx15.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov writes: JL> As for the request for `q' to kill Dired and Image buffers, JL> we could recommend jidanni to put in his .emacs these two lines: JL> (global-set-key [remap quit-window] JL> (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) Yes but I only use emacs for a max of four hours, so it doesn't fill up so bad, I just thought it might be a bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 01:20:09 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 06:20:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RT6Bk-0001BM-MZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:20:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RT6Bi-0001BF-1v for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:20:06 -0500 Received: from [155.69.19.127] (port=50858 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RT6AK-0007kP-Fc; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:18:41 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:18:30 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:27:34 +0200") Message-ID: <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Juri Linkov writes: > Do you view images with `v q SPC v q SPC'? When viewing images with > `v', image-mode is broken because image viewing keybindings are rebound > to functions of view.el. Which keybindings are you referring to? Just the `q' (quit-window vs View-quit) key, or more? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 02:26:40 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 07:26:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RT7E8-0002kQ-Nn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:26:40 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RT7E7-0002kK-3B for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:26:39 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593116E80B0; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0D4451C624; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:25:07 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:20:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:18:30 +0800") Message-ID: <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> Do you view images with `v q SPC v q SPC'? When viewing images with >> `v', image-mode is broken because image viewing keybindings are rebound >> to functions of view.el. > > Which keybindings are you referring to? Just the `q' (quit-window vs > View-quit) key, or more? I mean keybindings RET image-toggle-animation SPC image-scroll-up DEL image-scroll-down vs RET View-scroll-line-forward SPC View-scroll-page-forward DEL View-scroll-page-backward As for `q', I don't understand why `quit-window' should differ from `View-quit'. Why does `q' bound to `View-quit' kill the buffer, while `quit-window' bound to `q' doesn't? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 05:42:36 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 10:42:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTAHk-00084p-Jx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:42:36 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTAHi-00084h-BP for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:42:35 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RTAGE-000075-Js; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:41:02 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files In-Reply-To: <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:20:23 +0200") Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEXOyM2toKYQDxj+/v5Z R06Len/x7/GWduDkAAACR0lEQVQ4jW2TwY7jIAyGjdJwBiXwAIi5p0LDeVvBnsNMmDNRVN7/EdYm adqRFrWk8Nn/7xgKZZVQKxOb+z0AaM+vDRR4YRClw4cnykTltFcrgQQNYCzTLXSSKIIgJ1pj6Cr2 fRJdNXooyTePyZIymybOacOKQPLaoUJLWBt2SoPgHgBQaW4Ju4/rf0BCe426W69HvY8ZkqikJuTQ HNwJ+sR53Tw072v3AiMHKNxtDTD3BrorL8CrQjDpJ+hnYPo6TOhDGWt3gh+YuOvWYWrgVHKKAzYD QF+dGl41OZ8rGT9k52uv3XV4guvsoJbNc5Qps3+cp9EPCFjnsagqFZNPcy83BJfBj6MNMqabUDvA rjso4/d0+zQfLqtcPrf9SOgEa//dh9FYFnMWPT+E6DLIeQk0YlJJcboF235LUsqgskx57lkvpTxe BgoTDBh3ggB5lL1owOZKxiRLWTDWOtkdFw6YJIU0w6RStxU2PIEUvWAqp7kQWIEf5gACE6RKvLCs EegdoHNuI4miayVweuCuxK9Y5+rKCkNzB6XU0kBITPDKLunv4B02McR+l1pSn4CzS/6j61YdLLmB SCAzocZ4k0yK7Re4YXFq+cDexQ4CtjsgCctNRUWSDWi4xyVSSsCIGLGOxX4ZG2bAX0/zMWDIYuz9 BCHcLabjAz8EjE34NzA2BmNwdQxcGHuDovAZM62MbdMXzRH2KKw2HAnRvANDtqhvQm4J1j6Bifko brf5OIGx7/tYlXmNQMXuNWT9Dl4jivW/ICZQ/wB+3tpVstfgNwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Various's _North By North West (3)_: "Royal Family & The Poor - Dream" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RTAGE-000075-Js X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1322649662.71653@QgQh2RtUD5RIOtsNoCTemw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Juri Linkov writes: > As for `q', I don't understand why `quit-window' should differ from > `View-quit'. Why does `q' bound to `View-quit' kill the buffer, while > `quit-window' bound to `q' doesn't? I thought the point of "view mode" was to give you a mode for, well, quick viewing. In that context it makes perfect sense for `q' to kill the buffer. If you're using a regular non-view mode, having `q' kill the buffer would be odd. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 09:12:17 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 14:12:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTDYf-0005J2-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:12:17 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTDYc-0005Iu-82 for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:12:15 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAMf9zE5FxIbt/2dsb2JhbABEqmqBBoFyAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kLodqtDGKYgSIIJoChE4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,559,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="149151308" Received: from 69-196-134-237.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.134.237]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 23 Nov 2011 09:10:48 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D230D58E47; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:10:47 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:10:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:40:07 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Juri Linkov , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> As for `q', I don't understand why `quit-window' should differ from >> `View-quit'. Why does `q' bound to `View-quit' kill the buffer, while >> `quit-window' bound to `q' doesn't? > I thought the point of "view mode" was to give you a mode for, well, > quick viewing. In that context it makes perfect sense for `q' to kill > the buffer. If you're using a regular non-view mode, having `q' kill > the buffer would be odd. Using "view mode" as the deciding factor is wrong. The "quick viewing" meaning is bound to the use of "v" is dired, not to the use of view-mode. So maybe the right solution is to make view-mode use quit-window, change quit-window so it obeys a `quit-window-kills' variable (which toggles the meaning of C-u), and change dired's v to set quit-window-kills buffer-locally? I'm sure it's the right behavior: I do think that we want to move towards merging View-quit and quit-window, but other than that I don't know because I like my Emacs to accumulate buffers. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 14:52:48 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 19:52:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTIsC-0005fY-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:52:48 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTIs9-0005fR-Pr for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:52:46 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pANJpFAp019929; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:51:15 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8BEBEB4043; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:51:15 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Message-ID: References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:51:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:10:47 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4050=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4050> : streams <704165> : uri <1014143> X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Juri Linkov , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > I'm sure it's the right behavior: I do think that we want to move ^^^ not Sorry, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 15:05:26 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 20:05:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTJ4P-0005yE-VW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:05:26 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTJ4N-0005xz-N9 for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:05:24 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C006E804B; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28804451C368; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:00:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:10:47 -0500") Message-ID: <8762iay5fw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , Chong Yidong , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > I'm not sure it's the right behavior: I do think that we want to move > towards merging View-quit and quit-window, but other than that I don't > know because I like my Emacs to accumulate buffers. That's the main problem: some users like to accumulate buffers and some users don't like. So there should be an option to disable accumulating by `q'. One variant is remap such as you recommended in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-10/msg01136.html Another variant is adding a defcustom such as `quit-window-kills'. It seems defcustom is more user-friendly. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 15:57:22 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 20:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTJsg-0007Bf-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:57:22 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTJse-0007BY-6W for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:57:21 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pANKtomf007540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:55:51 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pANKtnbi008872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:55:49 GMT Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pANKthoY010938; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:55:43 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.44.3) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:55:43 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Juri Linkov'" , "'Stefan Monnier'" References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org><87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org><874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8762iay5fw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Subject: RE: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just likeit does for other files Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:55:43 -0800 Message-ID: <304BA588412848B8BF62CEF3CEDCA56E@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8762iay5fw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Thread-Index: AcyqGynbkmv+OlyQQLKQQO2d5xGm7QAA+SSQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4ECD5DD8.001F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 'Chong Yidong' , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) > > because I like my Emacs to accumulate buffers. > > That's the main problem: some users like to accumulate buffers > and some users don't like. So there should be an option to disable > accumulating by `q'. One variant is remap such as you recommended in > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-10/msg01136.html > Another variant is adding a defcustom such as `quit-window-kills'. > It seems defcustom is more user-friendly. Another distinction that it might help to make here is the kind of buffer and its purpose. I have no problem accumulating buffers, in general, but I have no need to accumulate buffers that are essentially temporary and part of a dialog, once that dialog is finished. Emacs currently displays some buffers as part of a (non-modal) dialog, but there is no real (operational, code-aware) notion of such a dialog, and generally no way for the code to know that the displayed buffer is no longer needed after the dialog is finished (if the code even knows when it is finished). Such a buffer is really only for temporary display, but it is not handled using any simple construct such as `with-temp-buffer'. (A user will know, of course, and one approach could be to have two different keys, one that blows the buffer away and another that holds onto it.) If this rings a bell, fine. If not, fuggeddabowdit - I'm not interested in belaboring this; we've been through it before. I agree that a reasonable start would be a user option, as Juri suggests (and has been suggested before) - some way for a user to express a preference. "I like my Emacs to accumulate buffers" is fine as an expression of individual preference, but not as a guide to Emacs design for everyone. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 16:29:00 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 21:29:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTKNI-0007ub-11 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:29:00 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTKNF-0007uC-Qu for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:28:58 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68106E806E; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECF5451C635; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just likeit does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8762iay5fw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <304BA588412848B8BF62CEF3CEDCA56E@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:18:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <304BA588412848B8BF62CEF3CEDCA56E@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:55:43 -0800") Message-ID: <87obw2r16a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 'Chong Yidong' , 'Stefan Monnier' , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > Another distinction that it might help to make here is the kind of buffer and > its purpose. I have no problem accumulating buffers, in general, but I have no > need to accumulate buffers that are essentially temporary and part of a dialog, > once that dialog is finished. I have problems with accumulating buffers because I use desktop.el that remembers all file buffers and tries to restore them after restart. Other users may have other problems with accumulating buffers. I solved this problem for myself by adding to .emacs: (define-key image-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) (define-key archive-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) (define-key tar-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) Of course, we should not suggest users doing the same. So perhaps a defcustom would be the best solution. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 21:16:30 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2011 02:16:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTOrV-0006LB-TK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:16:30 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTOrT-0006L2-SU for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:16:28 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6nzU5FxIbt/2dsb2JhbABEqnSBBoFyAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBi0QopiBIggmgKETg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,562,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="149225044" Received: from 69-196-134-237.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.134.237]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 23 Nov 2011 21:14:58 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8DA9F58F81; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just likeit does for other files Message-ID: References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8762iay5fw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <304BA588412848B8BF62CEF3CEDCA56E@us.oracle.com> <87obw2r16a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:14:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87obw2r16a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:18:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 'Chong Yidong' , 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > I have problems with accumulating buffers because I use desktop.el > that remembers all file buffers and tries to restore them after restart. > Other users may have other problems with accumulating buffers. > I solved this problem for myself by adding to .emacs: > (define-key image-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) > (define-key archive-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) > (define-key tar-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) (define-key special-mode-map "q" 'quit-window-kill-buffer) should be sufficient (tho I haven't checked that all the modes above inherit from special-mode). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 24 01:14:57 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2011 06:14:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTSaG-0003lZ-Od for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:14:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTSaD-0003lS-Rr for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:14:54 -0500 Received: from [155.69.16.137] (port=57112 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RTSYk-0004Ag-Rp; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:13:23 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:13:15 +0800 In-Reply-To: <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:20:23 +0200") Message-ID: <8762ia59qc.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Juri Linkov writes: > I mean keybindings > > RET image-toggle-animation > SPC image-scroll-up > DEL image-scroll-down > > vs > > RET View-scroll-line-forward > SPC View-scroll-page-forward > DEL View-scroll-page-backward Hmm, SPC and DEL seem to do pretty much the same thing in both cases, but the difference for RET is clearly problematic. So I think you're right, we should revert 105285. The original behavior requested by the OP (making `q' delete the buffer) can be handled, as discussed, by introducing an option to make quit-window delete the buffer---but that bit can wait till post-24.1. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 24 02:13:28 2011 Received: (at 8615-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2011 07:13:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTUt-000589-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:13:28 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTUr-000580-JS for 8615-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:13:26 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD976E805A; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99FF451C644; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <87y5v9klwb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zkfo1zke.fsf@jidanni.org> <87fwhg9lbo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87y5v7gy4p.fsf@gnu.org> <874nxvmif0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8762ia59qc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:10:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8762ia59qc.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:13:15 +0800") Message-ID: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615-done Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 8615-done@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > So I think you're right, we should revert 105285. Done. > The original behavior requested by the OP (making `q' delete the > buffer) can be handled, as discussed, by introducing an option to make > quit-window delete the buffer---but that bit can wait till post-24.1. Meanwhile, jidanni and other users could use a redefinition recommended by Stefan: (global-set-key [remap quit-window] (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) or (define-key special-mode-map "q" (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 24 02:45:11 2011 Received: (at 8615-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2011 07:45:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTzb-0005tj-4k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:45:11 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81] helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTzW-0005tY-7w for 8615-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:45:07 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9042034806C; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:43:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=W9ZfhgdGDeSXwl0uM1rB8d3TEZcjLLK6knkyzup8QAkJERWkK 0L+RfV+q0PcveUAEKpRbPsz8t1EkYHAO5/zxFlVG1efwmXICDey1UoFkScBMEXPz X4ReY89v40sau1Cp8qhL5tv682mvX7QB8xstu+YmZD8jf/GZoZd+97NK3M= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=f5EJlIasZGoTBbD5KO270jaU0JI=; b=SuNOGyUEirR8G W6MX8/LadcWMaYCpYiwc6Xr4YHkAM3CeAc/WR+C27J4dssni3hJIWptXrktaQqcX CLJsZTrE0MWi3gQ5bZvlvvxdB54jY0r+nxCjXqZ8en9TarhI2/KwfiSNHlMdrQAz 5Gt44rWNQHrF6TMHSZ+vWrh17pjQ8I= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-20-155.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.20.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38A1034806A; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:43:32 +0800 Message-ID: <87aa7mge3f.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615-done Cc: larsi@gnus.org, cyd@gnu.org, 8615-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) JL> Meanwhile, jidanni and other users could use a redefinition JL> recommended by Stefan: Well OK I'll try it next weekly Debian snapshot. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 07 17:54:33 2011 Received: (at 8615-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2011 22:54:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYQNk-0000x5-PH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:54:33 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81] helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYQNi-0000wq-4Z for 8615-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:54:31 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8553B284076; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:53:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=bbcfWdvULyNYyAPwQglRtMRTbL6BLiQkQTEFgJOsQJDoFxbWW ljnSOz3hs/Ydsuux24JTjBXdxe2vaiORDaPZ4OVetIzpoBst4p87DWyJZnU/fEd3 yoezwxfZ8bTHvi7rkW2SMAervBEi4tSY4O9RDNggD//b+WGD4BiVMRE/Ss= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=BLWy0S+EcarfszcUXShCrPBlorc=; b=ePxKZNopQprfH CY72dbpibmHYOYaBSbg6CdDMTmdGdbqH0uvf6MMfRMBg5XfpNqrDuSkO06hlS7Pe UbDE3FPR4IcOyG6dM7LYo59+/NWYghG7pHdEAISXXpZgKJfBCqAYCruJt2dgFpth 04mEBp2tnkojOrkx/ys7hRY0lqZLts= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-20-216.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.20.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1038D284078; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 05:20:40 +0800 Message-ID: <87ehwgm63b.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615-done Cc: larsi@gnus.org, cyd@gnu.org, 8615-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov writes: JL> (global-set-key [remap quit-window] JL> (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) Wait, this is already ruining my life, Buffer "*compilation*" has a running process; kill it? (yes or no) I only want viewing of images, and OK maybe directories too to disappear from the buffer list upon 'q'. The rest is overkill. I like the *compilation* buffer etc. to stay around even if no running process. Help. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 08 04:03:37 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2011 09:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYZtB-0007z6-2D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:03:37 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYZt8-0007yz-UI for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:03:35 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F284B7540AC; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C262C451C69F; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87ehwgm63b.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:01:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ehwgm63b.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Thu, 08 Dec 2011 05:20:40 +0800") Message-ID: <87mxb31lpr.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, cyd@gnu.org, 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > I only want viewing of images, and OK maybe directories too to disappear > from the buffer list upon 'q'. The rest is overkill. I like the > *compilation* buffer etc. to stay around even if no running process. Help. Then bind them separately: (eval-after-load "image-mode" '(progn (define-key image-mode-map "q" (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))))) (eval-after-load "dired" '(progn (define-key dired-mode-map "q" (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 10 05:24:57 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2011 10:24:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RZK6z-0007Fp-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:24:57 -0500 Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5] helo=homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RZK6v-0007Fa-SX for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:24:55 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6723BC06D; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 02:23:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org; b=ciDGuN29M9o6z+o5UBlx02okca0QMHRCz76slgl HqFsvBGE22eBTK/HtqUBi6I9CrFskke6aaqmhFSbo7jVYhDN5ZPFoqQ5S6JMf2wH kRArxFAJVeuMy1VXSbV+S77bJzlWiWlf1lUzURx8K3/0HBWIdYOoq9itQsYnV1Bi obeI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:from :to:cc:subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version: content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=beDaVCgt4I/UW6Y4wlMFTPn6jzk=; b= gkwGA5Ib/111yQXkbjipFifRWkWE6/CYv2ePBLR5OP6UVKZKQD6WyJdOzUt4NqyP a6zO0drAtQmNvXdR5RRYyYaLyrBAuE5apNkCUqDI+D9vMoyds2+ZRSJZ3sZLnCzR 4D5828lXTrbZ9PsfWeHT1TEe759nF5mBPmYkiYjcSXk= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-20-213.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.20.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a60.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 039683BC06C; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 02:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files References: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:17:06 +0800 Message-ID: <874nx8g28t.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Erg... this is what I have so far, (eval-after-load "image-mode" '(progn (define-key image-mode-map "q" (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg))))));bug#8615 (eval-after-load "dired" '(progn (define-key dired-mode-map "q" (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))))) (eval-after-load "arc-mode" '(progn (define-key archive-mode-map "q";note the difference from the library name (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))))) i.e., an ever growing list. OK, I give up, you win. I'll use (global-set-key [remap quit-window] (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) But please tell me how to then restore the virgin "q" behavior for one or two modes, e.g., (eval-after-load "compile" '(progn (define-key compilation-mode-map ... ??? I tired several things but nothing worked. Perhaps the "remap" above ruined it for everything. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 13 02:14:07 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2011 07:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMYx-0001ZQ-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:14:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMYu-0001ZI-PV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:14:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMXf-00056M-DY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:12:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:48767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMXf-00056I-9S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:12:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMXe-0003N1-9o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:12:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMXb-00055e-BD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:12:46 -0500 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMXb-00055K-0t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:12:43 -0500 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RaMXV-0006NK-Nx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:12:37 +0100 Received: from c-71-237-25-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([71.237.25.24]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:12:37 +0100 Received: from kevin.d.rodgers by c-71-237-25-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:12:37 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Kevin Rodgers Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:12:49 -0700 Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <874nx8g28t.fsf@jidanni.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-71-237-25-24.hsd1.co.comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 In-Reply-To: <874nx8g28t.fsf@jidanni.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) On 12/10/11 3:17 AM, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > Erg... this is what I have so far, > > (eval-after-load "image-mode" > '(progn > (define-key image-mode-map "q" > (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg))))));bug#8615 > (eval-after-load "dired" > '(progn > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" > (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))))) > (eval-after-load "arc-mode" > '(progn > (define-key archive-mode-map "q";note the difference from the library name > (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))))) > > i.e., an ever growing list. OK, I give up, you win. I'll use > > (global-set-key [remap quit-window] > (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) > > But please tell me how to then restore the virgin "q" behavior for one or two > modes, e.g., > > (eval-after-load "compile" > '(progn > (define-key compilation-mode-map ... ??? > > I tired several things but nothing worked. Perhaps the "remap" above > ruined it for everything. Just a guess, assuming that the original behavior is (quit-window current-prefix-arg): (defvar remap-quit-window-exceptions '() "List of `major-mode' symbols in which `quit-window' should not be remapped.") (global-set-key [remap quit-window] (lambda () (interactive) (if (memq major-mode remap-quit-window-exceptions) (quit-window current-prefix-arg) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg))))) ;; (setq remap-quit-window-exceptions ;; (cons 'compilation-mode remap-quit-window-exceptions)) -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 15 16:44:32 2011 Received: (at 8615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2011 21:44:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RbJ6O-0003Tp-Fe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:44:32 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RbJ6F-0003TN-3z for 8615@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:44:23 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D41D754060; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CA8451C6C5; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: Re: bug#8615: Please make sure v q removes the buffer for JPGs just like it does for other files Organization: JURTA References: <8739deov0n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <874nx8g28t.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:30:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874nx8g28t.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:17:06 +0800") Message-ID: <87aa6t7c3k.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8615 Cc: 8615@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > (eval-after-load "compile" > '(progn > (define-key compilation-mode-map ... ??? > > I tired several things but nothing worked. Perhaps the "remap" above > ruined it for everything. You could try: (define-key special-mode-map "q" (lambda () (interactive) (quit-window (not current-prefix-arg)))) (eval-after-load "compile" '(progn (define-key compilation-mode-map "q" 'quit-window))) PS: This means that in 24.2 we should add two customizable options: one with a list of modes to remap, and one with a list of modes to exclude from remapping. From unknown Wed Sep 10 01:58:32 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator