From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:26:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8592: 24.0.50; improve describe-function/variable Resent-From: Florian Beck Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 8592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 8592@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.130416102524577 (code B ref -1); Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:58:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2011 10:57:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QG7rD-0006OL-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:57:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QG0yE-0005Bq-Ja for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:35:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QG0y8-0002Iy-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:35:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:43281) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QG0y8-0002Ir-Jt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:35:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39633) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QG0y7-0000aG-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:35:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QG0y6-0002HT-Rb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:35:43 -0400 Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.182]:10922) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFvYn-00039G-4T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:49:13 -0400 X-RZG-AUTH: :KmALZ0mpdbGonPxw7gDkop508XQjelhLxGYn4B74/iddlkME3ssvHN/NVn+dtQ6oeNCXE6uQlA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 Received: from flo-laptop (p54995452.dip.t-dialin.net [84.153.84.82]) by post.strato.de (klopstock mo12) (RZmta 25.17) with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPA id N05843n3TJYY89 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:49:08 +0200 (MEST) From: Florian Beck Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:49:07 +0200 Message-ID: <8762pwenjg.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:57:01 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Both functions provide lots of useful information. Unfortunatly, they do too much at once. They collect the information AND display it. I'd find it useul to have access to the help text in a lisp program. So I suggest splitting the functions up and have one function return the help text, another display it. Even more useful would be a function returning a list with source file and position, keybindings, etc for functions and original value for variables. -- Florian Beck From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:26:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8592: 24.0.50; improve describe-function/variable Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Florian Beck Cc: 8592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 8592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8592.13041658911921 (code B ref 8592); Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 8592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2011 12:18:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QG97j-0000Uv-7y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:18:11 -0400 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QG97f-0000UW-9j for 8592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:18:08 -0400 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547DB6E805C; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99713451C298; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov Organization: JURTA References: <8762pwenjg.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:15:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <8762pwenjg.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> (Florian Beck's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:49:07 +0200") Message-ID: <87tydg3pga.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > Both functions provide lots of useful information. Unfortunatly, they do > too much at once. They collect the information AND display it. I'd find > it useul to have access to the help text in a lisp program. So I suggest > splitting the functions up and have one function return the help text, > another display it. Even more useful would be a function returning a > list with source file and position, keybindings, etc for functions and > original value for variables. This is what I intended to do: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/125872/focus=126713 I'll continue very soon. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:26:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#8592: 24.0.50; improve describe-function/variable Resent-From: Florian Beck Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:09:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: Florian Beck , 8592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 8592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8592.130437052118364 (code B ref 8592); Mon, 02 May 2011 21:09:03 +0000 Received: (at 8592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2011 21:08:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QH0MD-0004m5-28 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2011 17:08:41 -0400 Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.180]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QH039-0004M9-BI for 8592@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2011 16:49:00 -0400 X-RZG-AUTH: :KmALZ0mpdbGonPxw7gDkop508XQjelhLxGYn4B74/iddlkME3ssvHN/NVn+dtQ6oeNmSC72U8Yw= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 Received: from flo-laptop (p54997444.dip.t-dialin.net [84.153.116.68]) by post.strato.de (fruni mo60) (RZmta 25.17) with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPA id x0644en42IBY5t ; Mon, 2 May 2011 22:48:50 +0200 (MEST) From: Florian Beck References: <8762pwenjg.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87tydg3pga.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 22:48:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87tydg3pga.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:15:33 +0300") Message-ID: <87r58gltfy.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 May 2011 17:08:37 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) Juri Linkov writes: >> Both functions provide lots of useful information. Unfortunatly, they do >> too much at once. They collect the information AND display it. I'd find >> it useul to have access to the help text in a lisp program. So I suggest >> splitting the functions up and have one function return the help text, >> another display it. Even more useful would be a function returning a >> list with source file and position, keybindings, etc for functions and >> original value for variables. > > This is what I intended to do: > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/125872/focus=126713 > I'll continue very soon. That looks exactly like what I need. 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