From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:14:45 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#8569 <8569@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#8569 <8569@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Reply-To: bug#8569 <8569@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:14:45 +0000 retitle 8569 24.0.50; overlay arrow reassign 8569 emacs submitter 8569 "Drew Adams" severity 8569 minor tag 8569 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 17:57:10 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2011 21:57:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjO-0002v0-4k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:57:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjI-0002uT-Om for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:57:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjC-0004Ra-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:56:59 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:54053) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjC-0004RR-Jm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:56:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58225) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjB-0006Ku-Pf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:56:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjA-0004RE-S2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:56:57 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:59816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFCjA-0004R5-GO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:56:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p3RLursN012582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:56:55 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p3RLuqN6015127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:56:52 GMT Received: from abhmt020.oracle.com (abhmt020.oracle.com [141.146.116.29]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p3RLups5027888 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:56:52 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:56:51 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcwFJgObcG70PfdzQY+A3wguFPTCoQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Source-IP: acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4DB89127.0091:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) (elisp) Overlay Arrow: "The "overlay arrow" is useful for directing the user's attention to a particular line in a buffer. For example, in the modes used for interface to debuggers, the overlay arrow indicates the line of code about to be executed. This feature has nothing to do with "overlays" (*note Overlays::)." The overlay arrow is not something used all over the place in Emacs code and doc. We should change the name now to avoid this confusion. Possible renamings: overlay-arrow-string -> line-indicator-string overlay-arrow-position -> line-indicator-position overlay-arrow-variable-list -> line-indicator-position-variables This confusion is all the worse because this node _does_ mix up the two, talking about both: "You can do a similar job by creating an overlay with a `before-string' property. *Note Overlay Properties::." In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-04-25 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 13:43:44 2011 Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2011 17:43:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVFg-00071i-3Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:43:44 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVFd-00071U-A7 for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:43:42 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LKD00D00IGP8D00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:43:34 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.82.135]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LKD00CL9IKK2TH0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:43:34 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:43:33 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8569 Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:56:51 -0700 > > The overlay arrow is not something used all over the place in Emacs code > and doc. We should change the name now to avoid this confusion. I'm afraid it's way too late. Most of these variables (the first two) exist since 1988, when this feature was first introduced into Emacs. Of course, back then we didn't have the fringes, so the arrow was displayed like it is now on text terminals (try "emacs -nw"). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 13:53:27 2011 Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2011 17:53:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVP5-0007F8-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:53:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVP4-0007Ey-9K for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:53:26 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p3SHrInC002033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:53:20 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p3SHrHui025556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:53:17 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p3SHrG4Z007112; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:53:17 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:53:16 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Thread-Index: AcwFy9ECDIg7vm0XQ8aVJIPoJqC2VAAAPDXg X-Source-IP: acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4DB9A990.00AF:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8569 Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > > The overlay arrow is not something used all over the place > > in Emacs code and doc. We should change the name now to > > avoid this confusion. > > I'm afraid it's way too late. Most of these variables (the first two) > exist since 1988, when this feature was first introduced into Emacs. > Of course, back then we didn't have the fringes, so the arrow was > displayed like it is now on text terminals (try "emacs -nw"). I'm well aware that it was introduced in the 80s. I used it back then. It should have been renamed when overlays were introduced, but it wasn't. It should be renamed now. It is not used that much, and the renaming would not have much, if any, negative impact. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 14:17:33 2011 Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2011 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVmO-0007mO-TN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:17:33 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVmM-0007mB-Vt for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:17:31 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p3SIHNnQ001131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:17:24 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p3SIHMri030648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:17:23 GMT Received: from abhmt021.oracle.com (abhmt021.oracle.com [141.146.116.30]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p3SIHMl0027727; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:17:22 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:17:21 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:17:19 -0700 Message-ID: <5F7F23A1E7A84557AC3FE2D2B20F859F@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Thread-Index: AcwFy9ECDIg7vm0XQ8aVJIPoJqC2VAAAPDXgAADbdCA= X-Source-IP: rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4DB9AF35.000B:SCFMA4539811,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8569 Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > > > The overlay arrow is not something used all over the place > > > in Emacs code and doc. We should change the name now to > > > avoid this confusion. > > > > I'm afraid it's way too late. Most of these variables (the > first two) > > exist since 1988, when this feature was first introduced into Emacs. > > Of course, back then we didn't have the fringes, so the arrow was > > displayed like it is now on text terminals (try "emacs -nw"). > > I'm well aware that it was introduced in the 80s. I used it > back then. > > It should have been renamed when overlays were introduced, > but it wasn't. > > It should be renamed now. It is not used that much, and the > renaming would not > have much, if any, negative impact. BTW, if you so choose (e.g. for the convenience of old-timers or something), you can always just leave the old names there, using aliases, and let them remain deprecated forever without actually removing them. What's important is to remove the misleading names from the doc so that users will not get confused. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 09:20:34 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 13:20:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhiJl-0004yv-Ia for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:20:33 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhiJj-0004yh-DL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:20:31 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhiJY-0001YV-EO for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:20:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:20:19 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8569 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhiJY-0001YV-EO X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311340820.72332@RFgmjSz3qDykDIfZ0aOrWw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8569 wontfix close 8569 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 09:25:38 2011 Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 13:25:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhiOc-00056h-HK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:25:38 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhiOO-000560-Et for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:25:26 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhiOB-0001fB-2i; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:25:07 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow In-Reply-To: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:43:33 +0300") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:20:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Ladies of the Canyon_: "The Arrangment" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:drew.adams@oracle.com::2OaZH4KIsnCMaucM:00000000000000000000000000000000000000007T3r X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:eliz@gnu.org::JsFoUVBa4xgGURkP:00000SjA5 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8569@debbugs.gnu.org::+1IKKIHcxdNtZU/K:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000vJ0s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhiOB-0001fB-2i X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311341107.17902@ZMF6mv2UApELi+24/JuP9g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8569 Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'm afraid it's way too late. Most of these variables (the first two) > exist since 1988, when this feature was first introduced into Emacs. > Of course, back then we didn't have the fringes, so the arrow was > displayed like it is now on text terminals (try "emacs -nw"). I agree. I think changing this would be of little practical benefit, and would break third-party usages. So I'm closing this report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 10:08:13 2011 Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 14:08:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj3s-0000aT-Su for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:08:13 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhj3q-0000aH-TQ for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:08:11 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6FE82wd023846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:08:04 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6FE813E018576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:08:01 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6FE7t1l001293; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:07:55 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.34.212) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:07:55 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <83E3520CB9334D6193D94A30CE1B82DE@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcxC8qezp1vpdI2gQ8GklPZ7EqEBpwABUYMA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4E2049C4.0163:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8569 Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > I think changing this would be of little practical benefit, > and would break third-party usages. So I'm closing this report. As I said, you can keep the old names as well (aliased) and just not advertise them or use them anymore. No third-party code would break in that case. These misleading names are a source of confusion, especially for new users. There is _zero_ reason that they should have `overlay' in the name. I hear no one saying that the names are anything other than misleading. One thing important about Emacs is that you can pretty easily find functions, variables, etc. related to a given object type by just using `apropos'. Someone looking for overlay stuff should not be finding these names. From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:14:45 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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