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24.0.50; info-mode adding spurious "see" to @ref links

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From: Jason Earl <jearl <at> notengoamigos.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.0.50; info-mode adding spurious "see" to @ref links
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:53:50 -0600

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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give
a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':

I have a Texinfo file that I am working on that uses constructs like:

For more information on info itself you can read
@iftex
@cite{Info: An Introduction}.
@end iftex
@ifnottex
@ref{Top, , Info, info, Info: An Introduction}.
@end ifnottex

The info file produced, and it looked fine in the info client.

   For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
(info)Top.

However, in Emacs' info-mode it looks like this:

   For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
(info)Top.

Essentially it replaced the *note with the word "see" which makes the
sentence read funny.

The same thing can be seen in the Emacs Lisp Intro (which is where I
borrowed the Texinfo bits from.

If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
    `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/local/share/emacs/24.0.50/etc/DEBUG.


In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0)
 of 2011-03-28 on c3po
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10900000
Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
C-h i m p r a <tab> <return> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <return> SPC SPC <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> M-x r e p o <tab> r <tab> <return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Composing main Info directory...done
Making completion list...

Load-path shadows:
/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/emms/tq hides /usr/local/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/tq

Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail regexp-opt format-spec rfc822
mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047
rfc2045 ietf-drums mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader emacsbug
url-util url-parse auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile
assoc gnus-util time-date password-cache url-vars mm-util mail-prsvr
help-mode view info easymenu tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register
page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
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greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button
minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64
format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable
backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting
system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x
multi-tty emacs)

Message #8 received at 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Jason Earl <jearl <at> notengoamigos.org>
Cc: 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8398: 24.0.50; info-mode adding spurious "see" to @ref links
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:25:43 -0400

Jason Earl wrote:

> For more information on info itself you can read
> @iftex
> @cite{Info: An Introduction}.
> @end iftex
> @ifnottex
> @ref{Top, , Info, info, Info: An Introduction}.
> @end ifnottex
>
> The info file produced, and it looked fine in the info client.
>
>    For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
> (info)Top.
>
> However, in Emacs' info-mode it looks like this:
>
>    For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
> (info)Top.
>
> Essentially it replaced the *note with the word "see" which makes the
> sentence read funny.

I think you mis-typed your second example...

The behaviour is customizable through Info-hide-note-references.

The elisp intro does not say "you can read", so looks OK IMO:

   This introduction to `Programming in Emacs Lisp' has a companion
document, see The GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual.

Personally I think your "you can read @ref" is not really Texinfo style (?),
which is why the result looks a bit odd.

http://www.gnu.org/s/hello/manual/texinfo/ref.html

Message #11 received at 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: jearl <at> notengoamigos.org, 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8398: 24.0.50; info-mode adding spurious "see" to @ref links
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:55:30 +0300

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:25:43 -0400
> Cc: 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > However, in Emacs' info-mode it looks like this:
> >
> >    For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
> > (info)Top.
> >
> > Essentially it replaced the *note with the word "see" which makes the
> > sentence read funny.
> 
> I think you mis-typed your second example...

No, he copy/pasted it from Emacs, and therefore the original text
replaced by Emacs display wizardry reappeared...

> Personally I think your "you can read @ref" is not really Texinfo style (?),
> which is why the result looks a bit odd.

Indeed, that's bad Texinfo and should be fixed.

Message #14 received at 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jason Earl <jearl <at> notengoamigos.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 8398 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8398: 24.0.50; info-mode adding spurious "see" to @ref links
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:26:00 -0600

On Thu, Mar 31 2011, Glenn Morris wrote:

> Jason Earl wrote:
>
>> For more information on info itself you can read
>> @iftex
>> @cite{Info: An Introduction}.
>> @end iftex
>> @ifnottex
>> @ref{Top, , Info, info, Info: An Introduction}.
>> @end ifnottex
>>
>> The info file produced, and it looked fine in the info client.
>>
>>    For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
>> (info)Top.
>>
>> However, in Emacs' info-mode it looks like this:
>>
>>    For more information on info itself you can read *note Info:
>> (info)Top.
>>
>> Essentially it replaced the *note with the word "see" which makes the
>> sentence read funny.
>
> I think you mis-typed your second example...
>
> The behaviour is customizable through Info-hide-note-references.
>
> The elisp intro does not say "you can read", so looks OK IMO:
>
>    This introduction to `Programming in Emacs Lisp' has a companion
> document, see The GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual.
>
> Personally I think your "you can read @ref" is not really Texinfo style (?),
> which is why the result looks a bit odd.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/s/hello/manual/texinfo/ref.html

I am sorry for the noise.  I borrowed the Texinfo from the /Emacs Lisp
Intro/ (it seemed like a safe bet), and then the output appeared
differently in Emacs and the info file reader, so I thought it might be
a bug.

I am starting to realize that borrowing examples from the /Emacs Lisp
Intro/ is not a good idea.  This is the second time that has bitten me.

I will reword my Texinfo source and call it good.  Thanks for looking
into this, and, once again, sorry for the noise.

Jason Earl

Message #19 received at 8398-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 8398-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8398: 24.0.50; info-mode adding spurious "see" to @ref links
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:41:59 -0400

No worries.

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