From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:00:58 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#8325 <8325@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#8325 <8325@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command Reply-To: bug#8325 <8325@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:00:58 +0000 retitle 8325 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command reassign 8325 emacs submitter 8325 Christoph Scholtes severity 8325 minor tag 8325 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 22 19:32:26 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Mar 2011 23:32:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2B3p-0000sG-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2B3o-0000s3-5a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2B3h-0005Ea-Ru for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RFC_ABUSE_POST, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:58223) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2B3h-0005EW-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:17 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48239 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q2B3g-0003ac-5J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2B3b-0005D5-HG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:15 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:52759) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2B3b-0005Cl-B9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:32:11 -0400 Received: by iwl42 with SMTP id 42so10362602iwl.0 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=fwEmzx8/B+mYVHHyoLw9Qq4PRkQveFNbpfsmfipj3+Q=; b=V3BJxS709jwfg5WOV0r8kGkw1c4oyRcp7HV/U7A4yXsS5Nv249nEEwKDsZfr406zrV kbTc9Rj9JuSKbPIi9j0gr+eU5k3qVEFw4M5NbZniTOYv41zhKQa7250UVtbT/sn304Gv 7W5+VgOXLL10CZcAkCKw6qCvQR6sxgnG7jN5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; b=Gz+nueV4GvKec7inQ0GpDVHRmK8IFyW1QIaVO2PZrywLHiP0rIrV8pqBqUldG9JZ/x rFY+h+ng94jzfYwITcgdYh80NrUYZKiQQhY8lvZSva4+m7qrkVioz7UeW0YX+h1U6GfH 8liijFWpml2SAWUyjj57BsxCuvwuIFAY5sOTI= Received: by 10.42.96.67 with SMTP id i3mr3310583icn.83.1300836730437; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (71-208-187-99.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.187.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mv26sm1684247ibb.62.2011.03.22.16.32.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Christoph Scholtes To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:31:52 -0600 Message-ID: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) Type `C-h ? i' and then ? to show the commands of info mode. The help shows `.' as `Go to beginning of node'. There is no mention of `b', which is bound to the same function according to the key mode map. This is a little confusing since the info-mode tutorial introduces `b' as the command to move to the beginning of the buffer. Why are there two keys bound to the same function? Why is the help command overview only showing the binding for `.' and not `b'? In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600) of 2011-03-21 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --cflags -IC:/Progra~2/GnuWin32/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libXpm-3.5.8/src' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-topic-mode: t gnus-undo-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t recentf-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t autopair-global-mode: t ido-everywhere: t yas/global-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t Recent input: d i e d i f f ' i n g SPC m u l t u p l e i p l e SPC d s e l e c t e d SPC f i l e s i SPC i n SPC v c - d i r . SPC , SPC s e e SPC c o m m e n t SPC b e l o w . r e g a r d i i n g SPC t h e SPC F I X M E S-SPC C-v C-v C-v M-v M-v M-v M-v C-c C-c q C-p M C y q C-p C-p M C y q SPC q g q y C-x k C-x RET x l e c l e a n u o p C-g C-x C-b C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n d x y C-g q M-x m y - c l e a n C-g M-x g u n u s g C-p SPC q C-p SPC C-n C-n C-n SPC q C-p SPC M C y q C-n C-p M C y q g C-h ? i ? q C-x RET e r p o r t r e p o r t C-g C-h ? i ? q C-x RET r e p o r t Recent messages: nnimap read 24k nnimap read 25k [2 times] nnimap read 26k [2 times] Reading active file from archive via nnfolder...done Checking new news...done No Gnus is good news Composing main Info directory...done Type Space to return to Info Quit Type Space to return to Info Load-path shadows: ~/.emacs.d/plugins/python hides d:/devel/emacs/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/progmodes/python Features: (shadow emacsbug url-util url-parse url-vars help-mode view flow-fill qp vc-hg sendmail sort ansi-color gnus-cite mail-extr gnus-bcklg gnus-async gnus-ml gnus-topic nndraft nnmh utf-7 nnfolder rot13 epa-file epa epg nnimap parse-time utf7 netrc gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 epg-config mm-view mml-smime smime dig mailcap nntp proto-stream starttls tls gnus-cache nnir gnus-sum macroexp nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source gnus-start gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus gnus-ems nnheader mail-utils newcomment ibuf-ext ediff ediff-vers ediff-ptch ediff-merg ediff-diff ediff-wind ediff-mult ediff-help ediff-util tramp warnings tramp-compat auth-source eieio gnus-util time-date mm-util mail-prsvr password-cache format-spec tramp-loaddefs ediff-init pcvs pcvs-parse pcvs-info pcvs-defs pcvs-util byte-opt compile comint bytecomp byte-compile vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs vc-dir ewoc vc vc-dispatcher multi-isearch diff-mode edebug paredit add-log dired-aux dired-x dired info vc-bzr texinfo js2-mode-autoloads package zenburn-theme sha1 hex-util recentf tree-widget wid-edit midnight desktop ibuffer uniquify autopair cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs regexp-opt browse-kill-ring+ browse-kill-ring second-sel ido yasnippet dropdown-list derived easy-mmode easymenu assoc cl etags-table etags ring org-install server advice help-fns advice-preload edmacro kmacro autorevert delsel tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 23 20:17:23 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2011 00:17:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QDn0t-00015k-1z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:17:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QDn0q-00015Z-W5 for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:17:21 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45009) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QDn0l-0002I2-Nk; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:17:15 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Christoph Scholtes Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: security Ceridian Fortezza bce csystems [Hello to all my X-Ran: M4~`pUi.a{T[_k!47+A/'BU=(mYrHc#t?PkrBbe0:JG.{8i8.iGlrbPFo^.(^)LS*Uz (Christoph Scholtes's message of "Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:31:52 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) Christoph Scholtes wrote: > This is a little confusing since the info-mode tutorial introduces `b' > as the command to move to the beginning of the buffer. > > Why are there two keys bound to the same function? Why not? It happens sometimes. There are plenty of free keys in info-mode-map. > Why is the help command overview only showing the binding for `.' and > not `b'? The help is just the doc of Info-mode. The binding comes from "\\[beginning-of-buffer]". It displays the first binding it finds. This can be changed by the :advertised-binding feature. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 15:04:32 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 19:04:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRD6-0004kx-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:04:32 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRD4-0004kl-Dr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:04:30 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRCt-00074e-J9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:04:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:04:18 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8325 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhRCt-00074e-J9 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311275059.66454@p/WDQAxUU6k/PMbwFmtoIw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8325 notabug close 8325 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 15:05:02 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 19:05:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRDW-0004mF-Jg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:05:02 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRDG-0004lG-Nv for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:04:50 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRD3-00075Q-89; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:04:29 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:17:15 -0400") Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:04:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Don Juan's Reckless Daughter_: "Otis and Marlena" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:cschol2112@googlemail.com::u16Zfcgs/F3bZ7Je:000000000000000000000000000000000000A+ei X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:rgm@gnu.org::P0LhLccs4bLWM2yQ:000000ARle X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:8325@debbugs.gnu.org::MCkC/Ny1oVgHBO7I:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000V7vI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhRD3-00075Q-89 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311275069.32574@2RaAW+Kl3FrYYIGAxUmUAg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: >> This is a little confusing since the info-mode tutorial introduces `b' >> as the command to move to the beginning of the buffer. >> >> Why are there two keys bound to the same function? > > Why not? It happens sometimes. There are plenty of free keys in > info-mode-map. So I don't think this is a bug, and am closing this report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 15:10:39 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 19:10:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRJ1-0004vb-4n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:10:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRIz-0004vP-8Y for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:10:37 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51530) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QhRIt-0001Z0-S0; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:10:31 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: anthrax corporate security e-cash lock picking Bush Wired X-Ran: M2,kE[cvbaHJ]uZ\Wru)<}jnzE;BwvS[Bn.S[JHtif*|CUH#_$i8*l{t{jf(]!mqs;M$6* X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:10:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:04:16 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) There were two issues in this report. For the second, perhaps beginning-of-buffer should be given an :advertised-binding pointing to "b". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 22:57:24 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 02:57:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhYai-00026I-5K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:57:24 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.213.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhYag-000267-BT for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:57:22 -0400 Received: by ywp31 with SMTP id 31so401440ywp.3 for <8325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AXYs9Ge5nwoJ605jtaJm+TZXgJzplMLL92rVZ3ZSkzI=; b=hOlF0fQZvD9SJogh7RJ2oslOOMKlF8jcjUEakGKGGWqYRUJin/bIR27PsSXqgvyoLO 9UJ0ElnJ3vq8QaDsjeQdrZTQ5ymoaqoGSoK3k9iuthwv2fMT6Ydmg7lAoP9kSfpjW8q7 P6M8aALtHY5lFfSp4xfrzfHpNgfm2nE/7tSM8= Received: by 10.90.199.20 with SMTP id w20mr3020770agf.101.1310698636642; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (71-208-199-22.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.199.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm834212anb.42.2011.07.14.19.57.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E1FAC86.7030801@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:57:10 -0600 From: Christoph Scholtes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) On 7/14/2011 1:10 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > > There were two issues in this report. For the second, perhaps > beginning-of-buffer should be given an :advertised-binding pointing to > "b". That would be an great. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 11:14:04 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 15:14:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk5b-0004qw-W6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:14:04 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk5a-0004qD-89 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:14:03 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk5O-0004Pr-1q for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:13:50 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:13:49 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8325 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhk5O-0004Pr-1q X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311347630.21053@fRlwOeeEembi7S0h5WVrlA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8325 - notabug From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 11:14:08 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 15:14:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk5g-0004rE-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:14:08 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk5e-0004qK-Ed for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:14:06 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk5R-0004Q0-Da for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:13:53 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:13:52 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #8325 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhk5R-0004Q0-Da X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311347633.51127@TjxA9vtAQH2T//dOQtOmlg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 8325 fixed close 8325 24.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 15 11:15:54 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2011 15:15:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk7K-0004uJ-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:15:54 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk7F-0004u5-1d for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:15:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhk71-0004T1-Pr; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:15:31 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:10:31 -0400") Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:09:45 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Mingus_ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:8325@debbugs.gnu.org::rReo0NQ3AA+5Q0nJ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000LE2n X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:rgm@gnu.org::r3gSwi20uA6dRKiG:000000I3D2 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110715:cschol2112@googlemail.com::eLStdIiV581Zk+K4:000000000000000000000000000000000000Yysj MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qhk71-0004T1-Pr X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311347731.8926@jnw1tdwcPiH4aCG/HlbDUA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > There were two issues in this report. For the second, perhaps > beginning-of-buffer should be given an :advertised-binding pointing to > "b". Just doing (put 'beginning-of-buffer :advertised-binding "b") would surely be wrong, wouldn't it? I mean, it should only be advertised as such in the info mode map? I'll create a new command `Info-beginning-of-buffer' and do the advertising on that instead. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 17 09:42:31 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 13:42:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiRc6-00034F-Tx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiRc4-00033v-5E for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:42:28 -0400 Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6HDgIa3004690; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:42:19 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9F61066167; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:36:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:10:31 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3920=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <3920> : streams <662546> : uri <915419> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > There were two issues in this report. For the second, perhaps > beginning-of-buffer should be given an :advertised-binding pointing to > "b". :advertised-binding is only meant to be used for global bindings. Maybe we should add some corresponding feature for buffer-local advertised bindings. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 17 12:16:20 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 16:16:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiU0y-0006yi-Da for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:16:20 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiU0w-0006yT-2J for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:16:19 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiU0k-0001EN-30; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:16:06 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:36:24 -0400") Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:11:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUAAABlRkoqGCDCopgK BAcBAAEbIqgdAAACfUlEQVQ4jWVTS5bjIAzU5ME+ArwPHx8AKweIadiTDLr/VUbYmZ7uHt7DJEiq UkkCmLtm5tGgtsFtJF3Wqm4Au3FPH4x/bzNPDG7AWNxzd8Yz3p6IflH4eBpjqhjQe3GcW744o8Lz CsDrK9WSauXaGo/R+mDWHcALjxxf10O2QCUdzLf7DuWhDaTC1X2PgNJfBOvzoX4aAEYGHlDTfwZo P4nnqnKnPlPq77OqFvj8qb96v6x3IkCy+g6lLe1XYPi4vyH0iZbYkijmXop8/mHpUGPODKHreOg/ IzTofY10Uw/uT/oqKilaYp65umgEik9+rbu2LRoHCtedgDnc3mgdXnvGVe33SBuwfh00kgPDZXdJ 7xbpMKiTHyI2LYadmkrl/lmKoioVn5MRZ62HF5Uwjlog5xJNSHYVPo+Tc3YYPnIfzqJhlDmTmZgR oIQ55hCNpfWy9Dq88/BWcYmbi97TVaEw2CWKjsOkrBGg1V/VbKrNGSofdUKLSJv4qAa8W0ktHCp+ bXb7oEV8LqDYW3sXqINis3e/zgnQMF4ywxXO/qo1bosgdjHJ9KPMDp990mOO4+WmjXa7TVK3v0U/ 0nsuA1tAWsX/4JBkQll5+FQxZCn9YZj56irvgPet+mwzmn5GTEMbbaA1wRJlbPCG6npwXI23GKLc G2GTN9gnRWt+dxIxRHNtfPajT4om9fEkhcnr0PDydKYrIyUYgk/2Pv//tiiGQ0jDHOQ+2wfMPk3D XNC5oCfy2QhvsYQZRgkhpBQsWsrZlBJECErGI4i25MkIPslz3wUv1dalUX2+CjEguZFmAk5PgY25 7TMdolXASbo6hTPUEelcrtDh0GbZ+A9UEZYwf50T1gAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Tuxedomoon's _Suite En Sous-Sol-Time To Lose-Short Stories_: "Time To Lose" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::WxFkxYC5HiRUAMhL:00000000000000000000000000000000000000a5C X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:rgm@gnu.org::7MaidyOpryN0eK+q:000000GszP X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:cschol2112@googlemail.com::tah5C4UOBcnvYBXt:000000000000000000000000000000000000Vpon X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:8325@debbugs.gnu.org::TfiNBytvrFU5scbu:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000pYq2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QiU0k-0001EN-30 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311524166.37359@lkUvE8Ao8u0zGU3rpcBp+Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Glenn Morris , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> There were two issues in this report. For the second, perhaps >> beginning-of-buffer should be given an :advertised-binding pointing to >> "b". > > :advertised-binding is only meant to be used for global bindings. > Maybe we should add some corresponding feature for buffer-local > advertised bindings. It seems to work, though? `C-h m' in Info now says: b Go to beginning of node. Or does :advertised-bindings have unfortunate global side effects? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 18 10:10:35 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2011 14:10:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QioWo-0004Gz-Qi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:10:35 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QioWi-0004Gh-Jr for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:10:33 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAFk+JE5MCqt8/2dsb2JhbABUp3N4iHzCBoY8BJ8nhDA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,222,1309752000"; d="scan'208";a="126495908" Received: from 76-10-171-124.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.171.124]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 18 Jul 2011 10:10:22 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8F4D16660D; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:10:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:09:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Glenn Morris , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > I'll create a new command `Info-beginning-of-buffer' and do the > advertising on that instead. Please don't. It's specifically to avoid such hacks that I added :advertised-binding. We should extend the feature to cover buffer-local cases. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 18 13:52:08 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2011 17:52:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QirzE-0000td-2D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:52:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QirzC-0000t4-2l for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:52:06 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37513) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qirz4-0003Cg-Uu; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:51:59 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: Uzi Elvis Comirex illuminati Afghanistan Croatian mindwar X-Ran: D@a|NeZ#wqcb%=#ZlgJ&i'b;Ih"iM&RvZnC}`R/~zf4$V1hIfI.8N2X6xPLm\-'hnvZjye X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:51:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4maacbqxxd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I'll create a new command `Info-beginning-of-buffer' and do the >> advertising on that instead. > > Please don't. It's specifically to avoid such hacks that > I added :advertised-binding. We should extend the feature to cover > buffer-local cases. As an aside, strictly speaking neither solution seems to be _necessary_ for this particular case, since the :advertised-binding stuff only has an effect if the command in question is actually bound to the advertised key, and beginning-of-buffer does not seem to be bound to "b" in any mode except Info-mode-map. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 19 11:24:05 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2011 15:24:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjC9Q-0007lc-2K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:24:05 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjC9K-0007lK-G4 for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:23:58 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjC90-0006lB-T6; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:23:34 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:10:22 -0400") Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:05:47 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAALVBMVEXXFh78+/e3AQX+/fzv fWniSUjqyryqAAD48Or+//31n4Tyt57////+//7v3tFwuiWvAAACD0lEQVQ4jZXTQYvTQBQA4CEY FDzqyQ1ScvEHiLBIlD2MlwjSQyKuJw9aiu3mUJCcRYVSSmERQaUWxOyCE1wQMUhGFkJAEpnk7KFe FEuwNb/ByWQzSZr14BAyyfvy3ptkCFAU8l3yyNHwlexsdFYzICkklPwzpDrSNJmB7CIqIi/YOZ4M 0wmoPuk742wKFpM1iK+v2Bx05rMavHzPIBh20/OA+CVsLPp5QmrUS3UWf7IppMfVGjh5Bnl68Upc hWA/XfF1VGFj3+gfC0v8j4xl0aMAb5IMJTphZ8EzAgqb9xFC2EiWGCc7FfjmWlCDCLnYdbsfKvAE wgxUhGzjsDMv4R60VAtC+/ARbb+USngMkYOdh9NsU770dkoYQbX7qrjFnypg3T4oWoYYj/MrD5DL UFPzyrRYz33DIYY6pC88Z+vp4RscAkuHn8k57XV2/xshpQB/ry2+jU+aD7LICFnjAsK7bfHWM9k0 +5vGcGTbHMjZNhB/DExTB0Cnn2bFIdYFIFNoAVFDCEoc/C0WN2WaYKOffFUk2hJoB3MgA03FjlIC oXCBQgtodrf4BhmE1wSZ1hoA8SAhVYiO4AR/vCj1kQIdp6J1+MWgtU3W4VIO7xrwlYFY7OqcQ8zg NGmAJ8gtAGqVcoiEluoY0yb4ws16NIuxjDv99TgF+l9NvUacZexKzbjig2aw7HHc2P1veP4X8esQ FQnOWRwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Coil's _The Ape Of Naples_: "Teenage Lightning 2005" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:rgm@gnu.org::1R/7UxEnx3hUKCS3:0000004SYS X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:8325@debbugs.gnu.org::eAj1uBd95zDAPUMl:000000000000000000000000000000000000000004w4b X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::z8Edhdb9PcBYqGnB:00000000000000000000000000000000000006fI1 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:cschol2112@googlemail.com::cOOEk/pIbTdVlabM:000000000000000000000000000000000000hmvY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QjC90-0006lB-T6 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311693814.98607@/J3AvPkAKCPz7OWU3jg25Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Glenn Morris , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> I'll create a new command `Info-beginning-of-buffer' and do the >> advertising on that instead. > > Please don't. It's specifically to avoid such hacks that > I added :advertised-binding. We should extend the feature to cover > buffer-local cases. I can back out the patch, but extending :advertised-binding doesn't sound like an Emacs 24.1-appropriate change to me... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 19 11:24:10 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2011 15:24:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjC9W-0007mM-74 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:24:10 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QjC9K-0007lJ-G4 for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:24:00 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjC92-0006lF-0t; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:23:36 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command In-Reply-To: <4maacbqxxd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:51:58 -0400") Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:08:21 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> <4maacbqxxd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAALVBMVEXXFh78+/e3AQX+/fzv fWniSUjqyryqAAD48Or+//31n4Tyt57////+//7v3tFwuiWvAAACD0lEQVQ4jZXTQYvTQBQA4CEY FDzqyQ1ScvEHiLBIlD2MlwjSQyKuJw9aiu3mUJCcRYVSSmERQaUWxOyCE1wQMUhGFkJAEpnk7KFe FEuwNb/ByWQzSZr14BAyyfvy3ptkCFAU8l3yyNHwlexsdFYzICkklPwzpDrSNJmB7CIqIi/YOZ4M 0wmoPuk742wKFpM1iK+v2Bx05rMavHzPIBh20/OA+CVsLPp5QmrUS3UWf7IppMfVGjh5Bnl68Upc hWA/XfF1VGFj3+gfC0v8j4xl0aMAb5IMJTphZ8EzAgqb9xFC2EiWGCc7FfjmWlCDCLnYdbsfKvAE wgxUhGzjsDMv4R60VAtC+/ARbb+USngMkYOdh9NsU770dkoYQbX7qrjFnypg3T4oWoYYj/MrD5DL UFPzyrRYz33DIYY6pC88Z+vp4RscAkuHn8k57XV2/xshpQB/ry2+jU+aD7LICFnjAsK7bfHWM9k0 +5vGcGTbHMjZNhB/DExTB0Cnn2bFIdYFIFNoAVFDCEoc/C0WN2WaYKOffFUk2hJoB3MgA03FjlIC oXCBQgtodrf4BhmE1wSZ1hoA8SAhVYiO4AR/vCj1kQIdp6J1+MWgtU3W4VIO7xrwlYFY7OqcQ8zg NGmAJ8gtAGqVcoiEluoY0yb4ws16NIuxjDv99TgF+l9NvUacZexKzbjig2aw7HHc2P1veP4X8esQ FQnOWRwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Coil's _The Ape Of Naples_: "Amber Rain" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:cschol2112@googlemail.com::GLSp7FIK4btIYXOj:0000000000000000000000000000000000000Qw4 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:8325@debbugs.gnu.org::UlUeKIBPFTVEIA9c:000000000000000000000000000000000000000002fgy X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:rgm@gnu.org::oy2/nWjbCQG/rKVz:000000Ie02 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110719:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::qT/UUrIh4ayVV2Dd:0000000000000000000000000000000000000lPme MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QjC92-0006lF-0t X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311693816.54634@qwZE1IPvXaTe0nnxXG3Ylw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > As an aside, strictly speaking neither solution seems to be _necessary_ > for this particular case, since the :advertised-binding stuff only has > an effect if the command in question is actually bound to the advertised > key, and beginning-of-buffer does not seem to be bound to "b" in any > mode except Info-mode-map. Yeah. But the potential for clashes are there, if some other mode binds `beginning-of-buffer' and tries putting :advertised-binding on it. To implement :advertised-binding cleanly, it shouldn't be in the prop list of the command, but be a function on the keymap, I think. (make-advertised-binding keymap 'beginning-of-buffer "b") or something. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 01 17:36:31 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2011 21:36:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo0A2-0007y1-Rr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:36:30 -0400 Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo0A0-0007xu-Tw for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:36:29 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from ceviche.home ([96.22.109.87]) by vl-mo-mrz23.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LP9004Z0QMNJC00@vl-mo-mrz23.ip.videotron.ca> for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4B1AD660CF; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command Message-id: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:36:04 -0400 In-reply-to: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Glenn Morris , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >>> I'll create a new command `Info-beginning-of-buffer' and do the >>> advertising on that instead. >> Please don't. It's specifically to avoid such hacks that >> I added :advertised-binding. We should extend the feature to cover >> buffer-local cases. > I can back out the patch, Yes, please. Currently where-is does not give correct results because it doesn't know that the two commands are the same. > but extending :advertised-binding doesn't > sound like an Emacs 24.1-appropriate change to me... Indeed. I guess using the existing :advertised-binding for now is the best we can do (it happens to work since that command is not bound to `b' anywhere else and doesn't use :advertised-binding anywhere else either). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 02 11:29:38 2011 Received: (at 8325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 15:29:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoGuY-00015C-J1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:29:38 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoGuW-00014x-6v for 8325@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:29:37 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoGtw-0007e9-Rd; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:29:00 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#8325: 24.0.50; info-mode help is missing reference to `b' command In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:36:04 -0400") Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:22:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86ei5yd95j.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEVzXTz39e/Io1DDvLHw 7+z9/fz9/vuek4OFdVOUg2X7+/j////+//7b29v+/v1TPxMj5kbSAAAA6klEQVQ4jWPI240V7GJA sLeiyDDsxgHoLLFvIC2ng8S+m/wfTLFJeNaam/ffxpTYUj6jvPgyL6bE5grT008fG0RjSIj37t69 d8JlawyJG9a7N0/iL8aUqIx+rKT/vxZDYk/54ial//9LMHVYMinp8/8vuY0hYT4DqIOhF1PC/bpl k/5/XkyJx3bCFZP4a19jSGwteb125gQrTJ/vXm567u0VbywS+y4bF6/ejUVi9+5zp3djl0ABw1/i NS4JrKL7cBu1D4fEvkSGaBSB17vf7XsHBFnCDH7v0kAga9WqhYIigoKOgiAg4nIDAH/BJ3mpJV9H AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Split's _Four Tet & Mala_: "Four Tet - Nothing To See" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QoGtw-0007e9-Rd X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1312903740.92908@UUZOWzn0FITAVgEVQUv3UA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8325 Cc: Christoph Scholtes , Glenn Morris , 8325@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> I can back out the patch, > > Yes, please. I've now done this. Currently where-is does not give correct results because > it doesn't know that the two commands are the same. They are different commands, so that's not surprising. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:00:58 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator