GNU bug report logs - #8300
save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one

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From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:02:00 +0800

X-Debbugs-Cc: ding <at> gnus.org

Gentlemen,
   C-x s runs the command save-some-buffers, which is an interactive
   compiled Lisp function in `files.el'.

   It is bound to C-x s.

   (save-some-buffers &optional ARG PRED)

   Save some modified file-visiting buffers.  Asks user about each one.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not any more.
Try it.
You'll see "(Saved .newsrc-dribble)", even before asking.

Message #8 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com>
To: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Cc: 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:11:13 +0100

2011/3/20  <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>:
> X-Debbugs-Cc: ding <at> gnus.org
>
> Gentlemen,
>   C-x s runs the command save-some-buffers, which is an interactive
>   compiled Lisp function in `files.el'.
>
>   It is bound to C-x s.
>
>   (save-some-buffers &optional ARG PRED)
>
>   Save some modified file-visiting buffers.  Asks user about each one.
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Not any more.
> Try it.
> You'll see "(Saved .newsrc-dribble)", even before asking.
>

You're not passing ARG are you?

What version are you using? I cannot reproduce it on:

GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600) of 2011-03-07 on 3249CTO

-- 
Deniz Dogan

Message #11 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de>
To: Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:09:03 +0100

Deniz Dogan writes:
> 2011/3/20  <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>:
>> X-Debbugs-Cc: ding <at> gnus.org
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>>   C-x s runs the command save-some-buffers, which is an interactive
>>   compiled Lisp function in `files.el'.
>>
>>   It is bound to C-x s.
>>
>>   (save-some-buffers &optional ARG PRED)
>>
>>   Save some modified file-visiting buffers.  Asks user about each one.
>>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Not any more.
>> Try it.
>> You'll see "(Saved .newsrc-dribble)", even before asking.
>>
>
> You're not passing ARG are you?
>
> What version are you using? I cannot reproduce it on:

This is because Gnus now sets buffer-save-without-query for the dribble
file. This is desired behavior and hence only a documentation bug. The
doc-string for save-some-buffers should say something like

"Asking can be disabled for a buffer by setting the buffer-local
variable `buffer-save-without-query' to a non-nil value."

-David

Message #14 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: fourquet.d <at> gmail.com (R. Fourquet)
To: Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:33:02 +0100

Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com> writes:

>> Not any more.
>> Try it.
>> You'll see "(Saved .newsrc-dribble)", even before asking.
>
> You're not passing ARG are you?
>
> What version are you using? I cannot reproduce it on:
>
> GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600) of 2011-03-07 on 3249CTO

I can (partially) reproduce on the same version: save-some-buffers will
automatically save ".newsrc-dribble" if needed. But with my other
buffers, the behavior is as usual. So we can see the message "(Saved
.newsrc-dribble)" in the echo area only if there is no other buffer to
save (but it is always recorded in the *Message* buffer).

Message #17 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
To: deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com
Cc: 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:36:13 +0800

Glad this was tracked down.

Too bad there is no longer such an easy way to find out what buffers are
not saved yet without saving them just by asking.

The other ways to find out are much harder.

> What version are you using?
Ha ha ha very funny. We are all using the same version number
emacs-version "24.0.50.1" for years because it is stuck.

Message #20 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
To: fourquet.d <at> gmail.com
Cc: 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org, deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:44:54 +0800

I think the documentation should stay put.
It is only some kiddie MicroSoft system that insists it is smarter than
you and saves things just because you ask. What if the cops sent a car
just because you called 911 and even before they asked what the problem was.

Message #23 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de>
To: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Cc: fourquet.d <at> gmail.com, 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org,
	deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:59:22 +0100

'jidanni' writes:
> I think the documentation should stay put.
> It is only some kiddie MicroSoft system that insists it is smarter than
> you and saves things just because you ask. What if the cops sent a car
> just because you called 911 and even before they asked what the problem was.

save-some-buffers gets called a lot when you use packages which call
external tools (like AucTeX, compile, magit, etc.), and people were
annoyed to get asked every time if the dribble file should be saved, so
in the end Lars decided to set buffer-save-without-query. I think this
is a very minor issue (and hence perfect for bikeshedding, strange
analogies and MS bashing).

-David

Message #26 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
To: fourquet.d <at> gmail.com
Cc: 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org, deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:16:35 +0800

OK fine. Better get used to
  Gnus auto-save file exists.  Do you want to read it? (y or n)  y
often the next time you start emacs. Because there is nothing left to
remind you you haven't closed gnus properly last session.

Message #29 received at 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Engster <deng <at> randomsample.de>
To: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Cc: fourquet.d <at> gmail.com, 8300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ding <at> gnus.org,
	deniz.a.m.dogan <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:45:02 +0100

'jidanni' writes:
> OK fine. Better get used to
>   Gnus auto-save file exists.  Do you want to read it? (y or n)  y
> often the next time you start emacs. Because there is nothing left to
> remind you you haven't closed gnus properly last session.

(add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook
	  (lambda ()
	    (when (gnus-alive-p)
	      (unless (y-or-n-p "Gnus still running! Really quit?")
		(error "User aborted kill-emacs. Quit Gnus and exit again.")))))

Although using this implies that Emacs thinks it's smarter than
you... ;-)

-David

Message #34 received at 8300-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 8300-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8300: save-some-buffers no longer asks user about each one
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:36:40 -0400

David Engster wrote:

> doc-string for save-some-buffers should say something like
>
> "Asking can be disabled for a buffer by setting the buffer-local
> variable `buffer-save-without-query' to a non-nil value."

Now it does. (This feature has existed since at least Emacs 22.1.)

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