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23.2; Emacs 23.2 very slow over ssh when vertical-scroll-bar is enabled

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: obh <at> telenor.net
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.2;
	Emacs 23.2 very slow over ssh when vertical-scroll-bar is enabled
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:30:36 +0100

When vertical-scroll-bar is enabled on emacs 23.2 and used over ssh -X
then switching buffers (^X ^B) takes several seconds. Likewise
scrolling, changing windows etc. is very sluggish. I have a 12/5 Mbps
cable line between work/home with usually 8-12ms ICMP rtt. Plenty of
available bandwidth and CPU.

Emacs feels a lot mot snappy and is usable when starting 'emacs -xrm
'*verticalScrollBars: off'.

I found the following (old) bug report in emacs bug database that
probably describes this bug:

  http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=6429

When googling 'emacs ssh latency' there seems to be more people
having this problem and the prevalent advise was to use use server
fonts and not client fonts. I tried to compile emacs with
'--without-xft' but with no visibly speedup.

  http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/8bf4914f3a7ae7e5
  http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_frm/thread/bd7e102326bec6b2/dd8706c921a0ef8c?tvc=1#dd8706c921a0ef8c


Kind regards,

Ole Bjorn Hessen


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Message #8 received at 8248 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: obh <at> telenor.net
Cc: 8248 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8248: 23.2;
	Emacs 23.2 very slow over ssh when vertical-scroll-bar is enabled
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:40:19 -0400

> When vertical-scroll-bar is enabled on emacs 23.2 and used over ssh -X
> then switching buffers (^X ^B) takes several seconds. Likewise
> scrolling, changing windows etc. is very sluggish. I have a 12/5 Mbps
> cable line between work/home with usually 8-12ms ICMP rtt. Plenty of
> available bandwidth and CPU.

This will depend on the kind of vertical scollbars you're using.
The bug-data you sent indicates you're using a Gtk build, so it may also
depend on the theme you're using.

Do you see similar problems when running other Gtk applications over
this "ssh -X" tunnel?

> When googling 'emacs ssh latency' there seems to be more people
> having this problem and the prevalent advise was to use use server
> fonts and not client fonts. I tried to compile emacs with

I have no first hand knowledge of how server-side fonts compare to
client-side fonts, but according the some influential X11 hacker,
client-side fonts may actually be better because the bandwidth required
to send the chars's bitmaps is not significantly higher than the font
metrics that the client otherwise has to download from the server, but
sending the bitmaps can be streamed and is latency tolerant whereas
requesting the font metric tends to suffer from a lot of
round-tripping.


        Stefan

Message #13 received at 8248-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: obh <at> telenor.net, 8248-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#8248: 23.2;
 Emacs 23.2 very slow over ssh when vertical-scroll-bar is enabled
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 00:57:13 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> When vertical-scroll-bar is enabled on emacs 23.2 and used over ssh -X
>> then switching buffers (^X ^B) takes several seconds. Likewise
>> scrolling, changing windows etc. is very sluggish. I have a 12/5 Mbps
>> cable line between work/home with usually 8-12ms ICMP rtt. Plenty of
>> available bandwidth and CPU.
>
> This will depend on the kind of vertical scollbars you're using.
> The bug-data you sent indicates you're using a Gtk build, so it may also
> depend on the theme you're using.
>
> Do you see similar problems when running other Gtk applications over
> this "ssh -X" tunnel?

More information was requested, but none was given within 9 years, so
I'm closing this bug.  If this is still an issue, please reply to this
email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the
bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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