From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 16 07:45:48 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2011 12:45:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PpglQ-00023H-2o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:45:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PpglO-000234-06 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:45:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppgu8-0001FP-3r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:54:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:39580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppgu8-0001FJ-0K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:54:48 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39982 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ppgu3-00080y-De for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:54:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppgu2-0001Da-1G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:54:43 -0500 Received: from mx1.spunky.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.47]:48220 helo=homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ppgu1-0001DN-NP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:54:41 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBD7634073 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:54:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org ; b=e9Tx/uSs0n423kUuMdHprTAf8ctkWAQrYm81iVgbfftb5u5fFspBlxtB8PDD 0UsP32lg9p6xsGe+Uh6j8frbL5fuNTTiAQwPxco9bvqdJpDxHprBs+ts/8RM/cKR wBWIajx3mSa+6kf1BEaNvTa8gFPuUkEsqx/3NUWN+UHJ23o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=s2N+6iyZzg+xrtrIpTqoKTyEFCc=; b=pMYewAvOeZ2Q3apA a6sRxAR/EfW8orFqyI+t+YLhzFjJPWqp9FFIc7kkgZnsABifDMFM7ew/j3TSr0Gr HBplHY3498VWb/jWMPZeXAOMogGfN0K5RSxLBiV0v9uiWL8pdJwULW9IBptgmTYI D05SyunRXNV+ghSlNffLo5STryQ= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-2-113.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.2.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A18663406E for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:54:37 +0800 Message-ID: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.97.132.47 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Gentlemen, let's face it, your version number, emacs-version "24.0.50.1" is a total disaster for use in e.g., report-emacs-bug. Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? Even Microsoft with its 6.5235345532543 numbers are better than yours. I especially like e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version MediaWiki|1.17wmf1 (r82223) So do contemplate providing _version information down to the commit granularity_ like the MediaWiki people do ... available right there to the report-emacs-bug command, etc. Don't expect the user to have to explain what time of what day he got his copy from where, when asked for more details than "24.0.50.1". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 16 08:01:24 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2011 13:01:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pph0W-0002PK-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:01:24 -0500 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pph0U-0002P7-NP for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:01:23 -0500 Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so1330574wwj.15 for <8054@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:10:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=MpAbnZ7MnyypInh7DAof4yDulSnGgVW9ue0GXtcC2hI=; b=EjVkk1HTg2C4nFgQUT6hYG3NAqwc7mIE3pms9G49x5lvyQftsxTFym33oAvQ9rpHAZ JuFloUKg++fXb7zobuGL81bZ/gNfYTINvgsZ5vOvt7Huqyw/ME33TeW4gftdRZ7rzl5K I/NwXFm4e22dfsDfU3Nt0KCIRtmXHQeWmmbWk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=gBh0UEunaBRiUk8CccRER/cOUXoUMEFdlcxGTkZ06X+5b0d4wn6BcqX3SSVQLk9k9I GYG1Tv9bzHF1y7dwaTiG8c2PblhKmrWs3tc9odDuKCzHSRMi730FaVp493lTvUxcczJB mR0w+YSrTbi87+eL365U50M6iJBzDsagDPktA= Received: by 10.216.186.144 with SMTP id w16mr472385wem.13.1297861824862; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:10:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.230.24 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:10:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:10:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? To: jidanni@jidanni.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > Gentlemen, let's face it, your version number, > emacs-version "24.0.50.1" > is a total disaster for use in e.g., report-emacs-bug. Yepp. I have suggested to use bzr ids instead. Which is what I am using in my patched version of EmacsW32 (so I have some code for w32 for it). I think this should be added to the makefiles. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 19 17:14:35 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2011 22:14:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqv4V-0000qD-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:14:35 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.144]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqv4S-0000q1-PE for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:14:33 -0500 Received: from furball ([64.134.67.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JMEQdR023617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:14:26 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD61016081E; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:14:26 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:14:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:10:04 +0100") Message-ID: <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.144 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM, wrote: >> Gentlemen, let's face it, your version number, >> emacs-version "24.0.50.1" >> is a total disaster for use in e.g., report-emacs-bug. > > Yepp. I have suggested to use bzr ids instead. Which is what I am > using in my patched version of EmacsW32 (so I have some code for w32 > for it). > > I think this should be added to the makefiles. It would be rather annoying to change version.el or other working file everything we make a bzr commit, so that's not a good idea. What we could do is to check if Emacs is being run from inside a bzr working directory bound to a savannah.gnu.org location (e.g. trunk), and use vc-bzr-current-revision to find and report that revision number. But such a feature would be pretty limited: it would not apply to anyone working in a feature branch, nor would it apply to those running a "make install"ed Emacs. So it doesn't seem worth the effort. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 19 17:22:34 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2011 22:22:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqvCD-00011y-SH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:22:34 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqvCC-00011m-2d for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:22:32 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2179856ewy.3 for <8054@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8QvKDzyzCkfRUvGa+Txh4AqS5nor3NaEYp6au4HkFHw=; b=NDQ9jxO7Xmnv2JugOu6Oj9xrmIBEn1soCwxWmY2ZzeZp2uEIlUII4+Rx08T8OhWA8x 3GeGLynjhT0ef4YqUnv02120MArbkGYT9FObqLiGZ4JolyXxr83JAktK6impkLq/GmbA kQ97hPpoau8rfIyNQsdSrnXMZ1bSt3iuybELw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tyMbW+uKB4Hj1YM1NS9buMk3fuxH/xZ2fylMuqKVwgUZo/WfiLHmJ/8ROpPSYd021n Yi/7/JMkERxVgRi4szFpGVddgTuLD3aKw98JykfPb/9ONeF/4SNGEP+losmxiNhkR25U rrv97YuyGKowVXjvrLXKogAq0ku5KuRWfe7JU= Received: by 10.213.23.5 with SMTP id p5mr2647822ebb.81.1298154146126; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.29.212 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:22:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:22:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? To: Chong Yidong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Chong Yidong wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM, =C2=A0 wrote: >>> Gentlemen, let's face it, your version number, >>> emacs-version "24.0.50.1" >>> is a total disaster for use in e.g., report-emacs-bug. >> >> Yepp. I have suggested to use bzr ids instead. Which is what I am >> using in my patched version of EmacsW32 (so I have some code for w32 >> for it). >> >> I think this should be added to the makefiles. > > It would be rather annoying to change version.el or other working file > everything we make a bzr commit, so that's not a good idea. > > What we could do is to check if Emacs is being run from inside a bzr > working directory bound to a savannah.gnu.org location (e.g. trunk), and > use vc-bzr-current-revision to find and report that revision number. Yes, something like that is what I have in mind. > But such a feature would be pretty limited: it would not apply to anyone > working in a feature branch, Of course it should be extended to that. > nor would it apply to those running a "make > install"ed Emacs. Why not? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 19 17:23:49 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2011 22:23:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqvDR-00013p-3l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:23:49 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqvDQ-00013f-9B for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:23:48 -0500 Received: from furball ([64.134.67.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1JMNgBP015568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:23:42 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDC2616081E; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:23:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:22:06 +0100") Message-ID: <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: >> But such a feature would be pretty limited: it would not apply to anyone >> working in a feature branch, > > Of course it should be extended to that. Revision numbers on feature branches are meaningless. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 19 17:35:43 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2011 22:35:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqvOw-00024z-Cq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:35:43 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqvOu-00024n-Vu for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:35:41 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so2540614eyd.3 for <8054@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:35:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=yLwbYn9q0Dl+B8kYOfu2KHkJdXKOvQBe1GLGnI1alwg=; b=JwUmS8fe87f7y9oIHo23p4dW7pSQq8BPDOT4NANs/exKy6GvdxdZ/fSrV+pvKl21Hq sbF35RxOhUYcNkgnIZf/y+EwMFgeNelRi6T/87fayvqHcS4P+JjdCh0iR2VP4EJRhrLI gijopfzA2PoZ8T1R55uig50+emfLzQj42h2iU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=dFhRb2YpC0JYBwGmXuoy6vPsx9G8+trPToXWlFLAWP0BbhD/oNtpLxpvXgui3af6R5 fXYckwc05Db6fQf1QwIYISnIUq5/VyC9eY17cWi5yi7b3I0Z7Etk+D42XSviPKsAH5rr od/GRwaBuRQa32R+dqq1XScSNblJf76mP5yhk= Received: by 10.213.7.67 with SMTP id c3mr4971ebc.68.1298154935098; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:35:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.29.212 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:35:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? To: Chong Yidong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Chong Yidong wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >>> But such a feature would be pretty limited: it would not apply to anyone >>> working in a feature branch, >> >> Of course it should be extended to that. > > Revision numbers on feature branches are meaningless. I am not sure of that. And can't you get the trunk's rev number? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 25 22:06:22 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2011 03:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PtASt-0005M7-Of for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:06:22 -0500 Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net ([150.101.137.129]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PtASr-0005Ld-Tp for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:05:02 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswGACL9Z015LM0x/2dsb2JhbACYL44SdbxlhWAEjB0 Received: from ppp121-44-205-49.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO puma.rapttech.com.au) ([121.44.205.49]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2011 13:34:43 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19816.28106.690734.20490@puma.rapttech.com.au> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:04:42 +1100 To: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? X-Mailer: VM 8.1.93a under 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org From: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Would it not be possible to add a script that could be used by configure to check for the .bzr directory and if it exists, extract the value from the branch/last-revision file and use that value to either append to the version or set some other variable. If the .bzr directory does not exist, set it to nil or 'unknown' or something? This would have the advantage of linking the revison number to the final build, eliminating differences that depend on whether the code is run from the install directory or installed somewhere else. Tim P.S. or alternatively, update the text presented in report-emacs-bug to encourage people to include the bzr revno if they are running from bzr sources and explain how to get this value -- Tim Cross tcross@rapttech.com.au There are two types of people in IT - those who do not manage what they understand and those who do not understand what they manage. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 25 22:51:29 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2011 03:51:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PtBBo-0006ON-WD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:51:29 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PtBBn-0006OD-PC for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:51:28 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38010) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PtBBi-0004lm-5z; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:51:22 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: tcross@rapttech.com.au Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <19816.28106.690734.20490@puma.rapttech.com.au> X-Spook: espionage SEAL Team 6 assassination Commecen CISU smuggle X-Ran: XD.ges/X)'{7n;@yn+Ypk^V/!OuNX*YqBDo;yU21w/EUGvcIe"$16OJYA2FdGmE1&`N)X- X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:51:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <19816.28106.690734.20490@puma.rapttech.com.au> (debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org's message of "Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:04:42 +1100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) Did you do something to set your From: address to debbugs-submit-bounces in your last mail? If so, please don't do that! :) See http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=23;bug=8054 http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?msg=23;mbox=yes;bug=8054 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 21 19:49:37 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 00:49:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeYL-0007R8-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:49:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeYI-0007R0-1o for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:49:35 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeX2-0002xj-Mf; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:48:16 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Spook: Aldergrove SSL IMF AUTODIN enigma diwn e-bomb doctrine X-Ran: ]\]YrN+xHh$fftVm4FU^U3O*'-Eq|luh&z0$fFC0BS1q-b;,[z`P5_F",OyJ")Y\ (Chong Yidong's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:23:42 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Here's a patch to define an `emacs-bzr-version' during dumping and include it in bug reports. === modified file 'lisp/loadup.el' *** lisp/loadup.el 2011-07-06 22:43:48 +0000 --- lisp/loadup.el 2011-11-22 00:44:13 +0000 *************** *** 259,264 **** --- 259,266 ---- (versions (mapcar (function (lambda (name) (string-to-number (substring name (length base))))) files))) + (setq emacs-bzr-version (condition-case nil (emacs-bzr-get-version) + (error nil))) ;; `emacs-version' is a constant, so we shouldn't change it with `setq'. (defconst emacs-version (format "%s.%d" === modified file 'lisp/mail/emacsbug.el' *** lisp/mail/emacsbug.el 2011-09-23 23:47:27 +0000 --- lisp/mail/emacsbug.el 2011-11-22 00:25:12 +0000 *************** *** 224,229 **** --- 224,231 ---- (add-text-properties (1+ user-point) (point) prompt-properties) (insert "\n\nIn " (emacs-version) "\n") + (if (stringp emacs-bzr-version) + (insert "Bzr revision: " emacs-bzr-version "\n")) (if (fboundp 'x-server-vendor) (condition-case nil ;; This is used not only for X11 but also W32 and others. === modified file 'lisp/version.el' *** lisp/version.el 2011-03-12 19:19:47 +0000 --- lisp/version.el 2011-11-22 00:37:43 +0000 *************** *** 78,89 **** --- 78,110 ---- ;; We hope that this alias is easier for people to find. (defalias 'version 'emacs-version) + ;; Set during dumping, this is a defvar so that it can be setq'd. + (defvar emacs-bzr-version nil + "String giving the bzr revision number from which this Emacs was built. + This is nil if Emacs was not built from a bzr checkout, or if we could + not determine the revision.") + + (defun emacs-bzr-get-version () + "Try to return as a string the bzr revision number of the Emacs sources. + Returns nil if the sources do not seem to be under bzr, or if we could + not determine the revision. Note that this reports on the current state + of the sources, which may not correspond to the running Emacs." + (let ((file (expand-file-name ".bzr/branch/last-revision" source-directory))) + (if (file-readable-p file) + (with-temp-buffer + (insert-file-contents file) + (goto-char (point-max)) + (if (looking-back "\n") + (delete-char -1)) + (buffer-string))))) + ;; We put version info into the executable in the form that `ident' uses. (or (eq system-type 'windows-nt) (purecopy (concat "\n$Id: " (subst-char-in-string ?\n ?\s (emacs-version)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 21 19:49:50 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2011 00:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeYY-0007Rc-Hb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:49:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeYX-0007RW-L2 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:49:49 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RSeXJ-00030D-18 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:48:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:48:33 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 8054 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) tag 8054 patch From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 08:05:15 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 13:05:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTCVn-0003lB-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:05:15 -0500 Received: from mail-qw0-f51.google.com ([209.85.216.51]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTCVl-0003l4-IL for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:05:14 -0500 Received: by qadb40 with SMTP id b40so1408696qad.3 for <8054@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:03:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pcOv/XLD5b/eMu/4dZsKS4f48WOs6PDfLAzLZtZX2FU=; b=BIRkGUfzN24TuBO4rPRNLMuQuQYm/dEVzXhVYbZS+irlTpy2jeDk02YfROaeKTtY5I 1T2ES89ezUuv8YOoHfS6MLPuPvYcuCvkztFw63paNHpRHCiw1jSLllKBmQQJYL7BYEBS 8EhBzgPRpzHcwsSuQNUX3CzCFpr+0LMDPYh8g= Received: by 10.68.38.9 with SMTP id c9mr7943680pbk.29.1322053427220; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:03:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.48.12 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:03:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:03:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) > Here's a patch to define an `emacs-bzr-version' during dumping and > include it in bug reports. If this were a democracy, I'd vote to commit it to the trunk now. It's not going to break anything, and it can be useful in bug reports. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 08:25:42 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 13:25:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTCpZ-0004D8-Da for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:25:42 -0500 Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTCpV-0004D0-O2 for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:25:39 -0500 Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so1579238iae.3 for <8054@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uMuMXUH1B9WCm5fjWyB3UFflMhqXy1DYY3vR8KRbaf0=; b=DsQ31IsqREit7Ev3hMNJm5hVZNQ2yU77oty5R4yiRIM7Dz5Qcjmc5HvQDY6bclHyG8 lxJfHXSwrQPmSgrX7cZ/uC9pACLVcO0I9yHh6FoLuAxPygBU+Qid/CQH+0yP1L5S8k+0 fKON90yIvtJhO4yeans07f2ZkAuOGA1QlXHf4= Received: by 10.42.137.197 with SMTP id z5mr2959423ict.5.1322054651744; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (71-212-144-44.hlrn.qwest.net. [71.212.144.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n30sm73526239ibl.4.2011.11.23.05.24.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:24:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ECCF3F6.8020502@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 06:24:06 -0700 From: Christoph Scholtes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juanma Barranquero Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: Glenn Morris , 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) On 11/23/2011 6:03 AM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: >> Here's a patch to define an `emacs-bzr-version' during dumping and >> include it in bug reports. > > If this were a democracy, I'd vote to commit it to the trunk now. It's > not going to break anything, and it can be useful in bug reports. +1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 08:39:06 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2011 13:39:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTD2X-0004Y8-PR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:39:06 -0500 Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTD2V-0004Xz-Qt for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:39:04 -0500 Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so1410283yen.3 for <8054@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:37:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=yubnqvOxH5wghrCpYkYGbKsY6Wx8HEC3NSs/FNvj738=; b=hQJb9RQGyjitUVIzdEGUFkwyBeVUMG2lZ/Z/B6p5vglIfi0lKgZF3BUky1HRU84eRB AsvoZLB8m95ZKCKbl2PZpj2i3Vo0D87NamFcebvfISBj3GL0Zo6cbvxue6a14DqYGPrG 8D6S9eTBsENf+qZUTcUxLk6+b0LEENtZgaQOs= Received: by 10.152.104.167 with SMTP id gf7mr14502071lab.46.1322055457092; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:37:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.38.198 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:37:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:37:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: Glenn Morris , 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) +1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 24 01:22:18 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2011 06:22:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTShM-0003wD-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:22:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTShJ-0003w5-7q for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:22:13 -0500 Received: from [155.69.16.137] (port=57119 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RTSfq-0004a5-Mv; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:20:43 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:20:30 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:48:16 -0500") Message-ID: <87y5v63utt.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Glenn Morris writes: > Here's a patch to define an `emacs-bzr-version' during dumping and > include it in bug reports. I think this would need the branch name too, in order to be useful. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 24 02:07:41 2011 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2011 07:07:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTPI-000500-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:07:41 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTPG-0004zt-5O for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:07:39 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RTTNl-0006oz-Pi; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:06:05 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y5v63utt.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: halcon Marxist offensive information warfare kilderkin X-Ran: 1Z~jG:AP=1DG!OR/gn9p!lv0b\m68d@O[nxUk=_vkIWIEZ"lIR==Jk&M7LV^%_Db+0=P(r X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:06:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87y5v63utt.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:20:30 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Chong Yidong wrote: >> Here's a patch to define an `emacs-bzr-version' during dumping and >> include it in bug reports. > > I think this would need the branch name too, in order to be useful. Really? At present, emacs-bzr-version will contain something like: 106501 rgm@gnu.org-20111124035909-rx8lttx9f1j29t69 So it's not just a revision number. The second bit is "a globally unique identifier for the revision so that it can be referred to without ambiguity". But it's trivial to add eg parent_location from branch.conf, if you really think this is necessary. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 07 15:54:04 2012 Received: (at 8054-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2012 19:54:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SGbhx-0003F2-Bp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:54:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SGbhu-0003Eu-67 for 8054-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:53:59 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SGbh9-0002N0-OJ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:53:11 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 8054-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: <87hbc4f8c2.fsf@jidanni.org> <87vd0fvfi5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxlrvf2p.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4ECCF3F6.8020502@gmail.com> X-Spook: industrial intelligence Crowell Israel embassy EuroFed X-Ran: Z9$XZJaMJW{SZ]>sOg1x;6lCtt!yb*iw,l"(*:".XiK5<0 (Christoph Scholtes's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2011 06:24:06 -0700") Message-ID: <9td37jnwt4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Version: 24.2 Added `emacs-bzr-version' to trunk. 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References: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:26:31 +0800 Message-ID: <87ehrsmq88.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: control@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) reopen 8054 thanks Thank you but emacs-bzr-version is nil and thus will not help here in $ apt-cache policy emacs-snapshot emacs-snapshot: Installed: 2:20120410-1 Candidate: 2:20120410-1 Version table: *** 2:20120410-1 0 500 http://emacs.naquadah.org/ unstable/ Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status From unknown Thu Jul 10 18:02:00 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug No longer marked as fixed in versions 24.2 and reopened. Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:28:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug No longer marked as fixed in versions 24.2 and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 23:02:13 2012 Received: (at 8054-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Apr 2012 03:02:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SIWm5-0007mN-Ik for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:02:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:59239) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SIWm4-0007mG-0M for 8054-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:02:12 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SIWkp-00038H-9f; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:00:55 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 8054-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8054: closed (Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year?) References: <87ehrsmq88.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spook: e-bomb eternity server lock picking government gamma ANC X-Ran: P8=RdF77rSNc``<"46A&Fc2)Bm26d\(lxlj@>m~TS1sX>YsaI(AFK0+k'CDT1)Ur84A9l7 X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:00:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ehrsmq88.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:26:31 +0800") Message-ID: <0cmx6gxrmg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > Thank you but emacs-bzr-version is nil and thus will not help here in > $ apt-cache policy emacs-snapshot I suggest you take that up with the person who is kind enough to build Emacs for you. Or learn to build it yourself. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 13 14:49:41 2012 Received: (at 8054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Apr 2012 18:49:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57644 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SIlYy-0007yb-Iw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:49:41 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.81]:34049 helo=homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SIlYv-0007yS-2k for 8054@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:49:38 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7510625C06A; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:48:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc:subject :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s= jidanni.org; b=lhPtMPq8PQqDExCm59he1kqnrmb+QLSqLDTDFU2Z2LxPB0xvK tFdm+D1eSm9qcqTjT3Zqtgp7+lmEwj+SteVwotPb7AH9LMoUDgUaHtO6x8OMjOlM 0zb1p/gIQDFL2cFi+ECMux5MEWw+US72WvLGT0YI+ORQGSmQftpQWB+0OQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=+sevnD4W9k6ofIAitpUM+RTrFoA=; b=czRjbHDD7PRKR cYTBafdDt2U0efoa6BY2s/QFz/iOyK+PJEea60NcQKuaHuHzSfqD8n/oK3jGLw4a eMA3GKTaH2DhgovW9877U/V7Cf/VyXIMNgSryDsRvAl9HEHZE5g4L7Mumgn+MEpZ 9UR7+X/ah/xk/9+k1LDhmqY3F4HuM8= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-19-6.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.19.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CAB8525C06B; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org Subject: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? References: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:48:13 +0800 Message-ID: <873987h3iq.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8054 Cc: 8054@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Dear debian-emacsen: shouldn't emacs be able to .,. OK never mind. >>>>> "GbTS" == GNU bug Tracking System writes: GbTS> Your bug report GbTS> #8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? GbTS> which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. GbTS> The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. GbTS> If you require more details, please reply to 8054@debbugs.gnu.org. GbTS> -- GbTS> 8054: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8054 GbTS> GNU Bug Tracking System GbTS> Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems GbTS> From: Glenn Morris GbTS> Subject: Re: bug#8054: closed (Re: bug#8054: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year?) GbTS> To: 8054-done@debbugs.gnu.org GbTS> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:00:55 -0400 (15 hours, 44 minutes, 28 seconds ago) GbTS> jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: >> Thank you but emacs-bzr-version is nil and thus will not help here in >> $ apt-cache policy emacs-snapshot GbTS> I suggest you take that up with the person who is kind enough to build GbTS> Emacs for you. Or learn to build it yourself. GbTS> ---------- GbTS> From: jidanni@jidanni.org GbTS> Subject: 24.0.50; Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? GbTS> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org GbTS> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:54:37 +0800 (1 year, 8 weeks, 23 hours ago) GbTS> Gentlemen, let's face it, your version number, GbTS> emacs-version "24.0.50.1" GbTS> is a total disaster for use in e.g., report-emacs-bug. GbTS> Who ever heard of a version number that doesn't change all year? GbTS> Even Microsoft with its 6.5235345532543 numbers are better than yours. GbTS> I especially like e.g., GbTS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version MediaWiki|1.17wmf1 (r82223) GbTS> So do contemplate providing _version information down to the commit GbTS> granularity_ like the MediaWiki people do ... available right there to GbTS> the report-emacs-bug command, etc. GbTS> Don't expect the user to have to explain what time of what day he got his GbTS> copy from where, when asked for more details than "24.0.50.1". 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