From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:42:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.129665767827042 (code B ref -1); Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:42:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2011 14:41:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkdtV-000723-Mv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:41:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkdgs-0006iu-J7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:28:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkdom-0005K8-Ck for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:36:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:49595) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkdom-0005K1-8r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:36:24 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54128 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pkdoa-0003II-4H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:36:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pka4E-0005If-VH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 05:36:12 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]:42960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pka4E-0005IT-FX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 05:36:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEA67B54E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:36:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21804-04 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:35:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7220C7B537 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:35:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:35:52 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 194.167.45.241 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:41:14 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': ----------- bug ?? or feature ?? ---------------------- Hello from France ! I have been using emacs for decades and in a previous version emacs 22 the function capitalize word used to work properly with the European character set ISO-8859-1 For example capitalize word on =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 used to supply =C9=E8=E7=E0=F9 upcase word on =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 used to supply =C9=C8=C7=C0=D9 Now under emacs 23.2.1 the same action does not seem to work, only the ASCII-7-bit set is properly capitalized or up-cased. --=20 Emmanuel BIGLER If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.2/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.21.4) of 2010-07-08 on x86-05.phx2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.10903000 configured using `configure '--build=3Di386-redhat-linux-gnu'=20 '--host=3Di386-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=3D'=20 '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--exec-prefix=3D/usr'=20 '--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbindir=3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc'=20 '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--includedir=3D/usr/include' '--libdir=3D/usr/l= ib'=20 '--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=3D/var'=20 '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man'=20 '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--with-dbus' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg'=20 '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xft' '--with-xpm'=20 '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' 'build_alias=3Di386-redhat-linux-gnu'=20 'host_alias=3Di386-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -p= ipe=20 -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector=20 --param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -m32 -march=3Di686 -mtune=3Datom=20 -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fno-optimize-sibling-calls'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: fr_FR.ISO8859-1 value of $LC_COLLATE: fr_FR.ISO8859-1 value of $LC_CTYPE: fr_FR.ISO8859-1 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: fr_FR.ISO8859-1 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dnone locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: nil Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t view-mode: t Recent input: C-x b v 8 =E9 =E8 =E7 =E0 =F9 c C-x d t m p s v C-SPC w Recent messages: Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/php-mode-init.el=20 (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/preview-latex.el=20 (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/rpm-spec-mode-init.el=20 (source)...done Loading lpr...done Loading /home/bigler/divers.eb/p/webpdebut.el (source)...done Loading /home/bigler/.emacs_last_dir...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Mark set View mode: type for help, h for commands, q to quit. Mark set Load-path shadows: ~/lisp/font-latex hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/font-latex ~/emacs/lisp/bookmode hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/maxima/bookmode ~/emacs/lisp/sshell hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/maxima/sshell /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/maxima-modes hides=20 /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/maxima/site_start.d/maxima-modes Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message idna ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils warnings emacsbug mule-util latin1-disp latex easy-mmode edmacro kmacro tex-style tex advice help-fns advice-preload dired ispell sendmail ange-ftp regexp-opt comint ring ps-print ps-def lpr info view server cus-edit easymenu wid-edit cus-start cus-load preview-latex tex-site auto-loads disp-table tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind system-font-setting font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129667551626370 (code B ref 7962); Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2011 19:38:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkiXE-0006rH-Mt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:38:36 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkiXC-0006r3-Nx for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:38:35 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG000C009J77O00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:46:59 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG000B0H9M9EP80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:46:59 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:47:02 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> Message-id: <834o8mcj7t.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:35:52 +0100 > From: Emmanuel Bigler > Cc:=20 >=20 > I have been using emacs for decades and in a previous version emacs= 22 > the function capitalize word used to work properly with the Europea= n > character set ISO-8859-1 >=20 > For example > capitalize word on =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 used to supply =C9=E8=E7=E0=F9 > upcase word on =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 used to supply =C9=C8=C7=C0=D9 >=20 > Now under emacs 23.2.1 the same action does not seem to work, only > the ASCII-7-bit set is properly capitalized or up-cased. Works fine for me in the latest pretest of Emacs 23.3. Can you try that? You can find it on ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129667590527222 (code B ref 7962); Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2011 19:45:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkidV-00074v-4j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:45:05 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkidT-00070H-FK for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:45:04 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAOtESU1Ld/Rc/2dsb2JhbAClHHS8MYVTBIR4jxQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,415,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="90344232" Received: from 75-119-244-92.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.244.92]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 02 Feb 2011 14:53:29 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1F243660DC; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:53:29 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:53:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> (Emmanuel Bigler's message of "Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:35:52 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Hello from France ! Hello from New France, > I have been using emacs for decades and in a previous version emacs 22 > the function capitalize word used to work properly with the European > character set ISO-8859-1 You have: default enable-multibyte-characters: nil which is deprecated and means that Emacs should treat your files as containing bytes rather than chars, so it can't do a good job putting those bytes in upper or lower case since it doesn't know what they're meant to represent. I.e. please fix your .emacs so as not to set the default enable-multibyte-characters to nil. Stefan From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129673958225928 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 13:26:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkzCX-0006k9-Ls for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 08:26:21 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkzCV-0006ju-J5 for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 08:26:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE73E7BE25; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:34:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06291-08; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:34:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4D27BE2C; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:34:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:34:31 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) Le 02/02/2011 20:53, Stefan Monnier a =E9crit : > Hello from New France, > >> I have been using emacs for decades and in a previous version emacs 22 >> the function capitalize word used to work properly with the European >> character set ISO-8859-1 > You have: > > default enable-multibyte-characters: nil > which is deprecated and means that Emacs should treat your files as > containing bytes rather than chars, so it can't do a good job putting > those bytes in upper or lower case since it doesn't know what they're > meant to represent. > I.e. please fix your .emacs so as not to set the default > enable-multibyte-characters to nil. > > > Stefan > Thanks ! Using (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil) solves the problem but brings in another issue, namely the compatibilityu of all my previous documents written in unibyte ISO-8859-1. ... but this is another issue. -- Emmanuel Bigler From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129675527717140 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 17:47:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3Hh-0004SP-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:47:57 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3He-0004SC-JX for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:47:55 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG100M00Z2DYQ00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:56:01 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG100MU3Z599UB0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:55:59 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:56:03 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83vd11atos.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:34:31 +0100 > From: Emmanuel Bigler > Cc: > > Using (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil) solves the problem but > brings in another issue, namely the compatibilityu of all my previous > documents written in unibyte ISO-8859-1. What compatibility problems are those? Files on disk encoded in ISO-8859-1 are always unibyte. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129675562317642 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:54:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 17:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3NG-0004aV-Po for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:53:43 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3NE-0004aI-LS for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:53:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246757BE41; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:02:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11799-05; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:01:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958467BDE8; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:01:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4AED86.6050206@ens2m.fr> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:01:42 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> In-Reply-To: <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> Now under emacs 23.2.1 the same action does not seem to work, only > the ASCII-7-bit set is properly capitalized or up-cased. From: Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> >Works fine for me in the latest pretest of Emacs 23.3. Can you try >that? You can find it on ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/. Thanks, I tried 23.2.93.1 freshly compiled and it behaves like 23.2.1 i.e. I had a buffer with unibyte only. capitalizing an unibyte word inside an obsolete unibyte buffer with 1-byte ISO-8859-1 characters no longer works. When I (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil), capitalize-word works as it should, but works only, as far as I've tried, on a freshly typed sequence of UTF-8 2-byte characters. So I'll live with the new features ! No problem ! Thanks for your help ! -- Emmanuel From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129675683019320 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 18:13:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3gk-00051Z-2t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:13:50 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3gh-00051H-J8 for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:13:48 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so910733eyd.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:22:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=9YGomr/8oIkrPAj5t+Ixzl365s3AwssNResvnIeEutA=; b=eFxWRtJ6cK1G9U0VIP0q7BqtI/rf/ClyG4WhsT5zbQ3J//INebyKX4h54v4vVULPJ8 Srz87Yhu8cvWI+5eQpcCUVpSL6T+G6h04bT4wNE1/PnxoFiYXVoCjwaCnfzdyJuDMJYf rFdxlf0J3ZloRLju8HCWUyqRbE59sm/Xm7Wkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=cmwoGdDPeLlpv0v0DQ0v9/VDHryXUNUSpgZ0R66i/0G7dMSsMIUwtlLT8xq9pK5gq/ HDOrDIohLBS7SqLdOFc0BYRXEWBc3GBzBPltm7R7Dwd7vpJLxOnsZ10nPdiHgJfewOIl pbHF54cmGqPNazb4f9th9UljZa9p26GDiXyEA= Received: by 10.213.29.77 with SMTP id p13mr1407177ebc.2.1296757335832; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:22:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:21:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:21:51 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Emmanuel Bigler wrote: > > Using (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil) solves the problem but > brings in another issue, namely the compatibilityu of all my previous > documents written in unibyte ISO-8859-1. ... but this is another issue. That sounds like a very important issue. Are you filing a bug report for that? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman , Stefan Monnier , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129675846721624 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 18:41:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl479-0005ci-Af for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:41:07 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl477-0005cE-2x for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:41:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0576E7BE09; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:49:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19806-05; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:49:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C70577F4; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:49:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:49:22 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Le 03/02/2011 19:21, Lennart Borgman a =E9crit : > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Emmanuel Bigler > wrote: >> >> Using (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil) solves the problem but >> brings in another issue, namely the compatibilityu of all my previous >> documents written in unibyte ISO-8859-1. ... but this is another issue= . > > That sounds like a very important issue. Are you filing a bug report fo= r that? > Well, I do not know. Let's describe the situation differently. I have a legacy of documents typeset in unibyte and coded as ISO-8859-1 or iso-8859-15 (which is a minor variant, e.g. the euro sign...) Taking into account that I only typeset documents requiring the iso-8859-1 (or -15) unibyte coding system, I have absolutely no use of UTF-8 and 2-byte coding system. But I accept that UTF-8 and 2-byte is the future and that 1-byte iso-8859 is obsolete. So far using emacs up to emacs 22 there was no issue at all. With emacs 23 I am not sure that I understand what is going on, this is the reason why I posted this "bug-or-feature" report. As far as I have tested, a previously typeset document in unibyte iso-8859-1 is perfectly handled, modified, saved by the latest emacs 23 and the document seems to remain "classical-unibyte". So at a first glance there is no compatibily issue so far in emacs 23. Except for the only loss, to my opinion, is that the functions dealing with upcasing or downcasing no longer work on unibyte words. This is not a big issue. I can enter unibyte capital letters with my keyboard. This did not change so I'm happy. As a old emacs-man, I simply miss the comfort of capitalize-word on letters with diacritic signs in unibyte ;-) Who cares ? ;-);-) Most French people even do not know and do not care for the fact that the classical typesetting rules in French state that the first letter of a word at the beginning of a sentence should be capitalized EVEN if is bears a diacritic sign, e.g. : =AB =C0 partir d'emacs 23, la fonction capitalize-word ne marche plus sur les mots cod=E9s unibyte iso-8859-1 ... =BB ;-) However I am reluctant to switch to UTF-8 for all my texts in English, German, French, even Icelandic etc... i.e. Western European languages, the only ones I'll ever typeset, which are perfectly handled in unibyte iso-8859-1. This is another issue and as far as I have understood, emacs 23 continues to handle my iso-8859 unibyte files as usual so I do not complain. Thanks again for your help ! -- Emmanuel From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129675847621644 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 18:41:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl47I-0005d3-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:41:16 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl47F-0005cp-MI for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:41:15 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAGqHSk1FxIUe/2dsb2JhbAClMHS9e4VYBIR5jx0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,421,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="90489423" Received: from 69-196-133-30.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.133.30]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Feb 2011 13:49:42 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E4F6D58F44; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:49:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> (Emmanuel Bigler's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:34:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > Using (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil) solves the problem but It doesn't quite fix it, really: it only changes enable-multibyte-characters in the current buffer, whereas the right fix is to change the default (aka global) value to t. Note that this global value is t by default, so something in your configuration must change it to nil, and it's that thing that you need to eliminate. Maybe it's an EMACS_UNIBYTE environment variable, or something in your .emacs. Probably a left over from when you switched to Emacs-20 where the multibyte code (i.e. "that Mule stuff") was still suffering from various problems. Stefan From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.12967674438097 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 21:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl6Rv-00026X-EE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:10:43 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl6Rs-00026B-2s for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:10:40 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG200C008HHLW00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:19:08 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG200COJ8JUIG50@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:19:08 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:19:13 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:49:22 +0100 > From: Emmanuel Bigler > Cc: > > However I am reluctant to switch to UTF-8 for all my texts in English, > German, French, even Icelandic etc... i.e. Western European languages, > the only ones I'll ever typeset, which are perfectly handled in > unibyte iso-8859-1. You seem to assume that going multibyte requires that your files be encoded in UTF-8. That simply isn't true. The files can continue be encoded in ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15; Emacs will decode them into its internal representation when you visit the file and encode it back when you save it. You lose nothing. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129676865410803 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 21:30:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl6lR-0002oB-T4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:30:54 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl6lQ-0002nv-FQ for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:30:52 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1070127eyd.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:39:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VR8hT7WjPedG4FCVbRABYwvNlwWZl8g0weAgV41YD74=; b=HiKSxD5LbxMLuSGgybTAoX/639dQ90/ElCgMQZlqp58b5zWhuYbOiiFhkxeDI/ncjc U6rTdo0g3RUdGMgMRHILoeDNo7kvCckqFKo9Wh06lnRGqCZ7Z+YOznt6K/cfTdwg9Fpd Zr6ZZbbb2k4uq3uocyKcXIAnJe1PsLZbuNoY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OnVZFEGxyZ8mfsNzMGvVboSPpn+90Bs/80ThiAihVl6stqe7heAz5RlbdhMfrZU6Wf TyXSsYDBM3EOv5ke9l2fT8uvLfmznZ5Fdu8TVrxU7pctxJVEXfO/N4EQ4z46RmkBV5dW rT6VnQ1pkqk0YASQRwxbNpxMhDcT2Wu0Pcoco= Received: by 10.213.32.199 with SMTP id e7mr14109292ebd.93.1296769161248; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:39:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:39:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:39:01 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:49:22 +0100 >> From: Emmanuel Bigler >> Cc: >> >> However I am reluctant to switch to UTF-8 for all my texts in English, >> German, French, even Icelandic etc... i.e. Western European languages, >> the only ones I'll ever typeset, which are perfectly handled in >> unibyte iso-8859-1. > > You seem to assume that going multibyte requires that your files be > encoded in UTF-8. =C2=A0That simply isn't true. =C2=A0The files can conti= nue be > encoded in ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15; Emacs will decode them into its > internal representation when you visit the file and encode it back > when you save it. =C2=A0You lose nothing. But does that require that you mark those files as coded in ISO-8859-1 etc? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Sven Joachim Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , Eli Zaretskii , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129677092615756 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 22:08:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7M6-000463-83 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:08:46 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7M3-00045l-Ad for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:08:44 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Feb 2011 22:17:11 -0000 Received: from p54861DCA.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO turtle.gmx.de) [84.134.29.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 03 Feb 2011 23:17:11 +0100 X-Authenticated: #28250155 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/bGo9EshHbNhK6CXlvSDOYDRG/95I7g8ji86SNuy 6+jWw7hU2L66kc Received: by turtle.gmx.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7B033F458; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:17:14 +0100 (CET) From: Sven Joachim References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:17:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:39:01 +0100") Message-ID: <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) On 2011-02-03 22:39 +0100, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:49:22 +0100 >>> From: Emmanuel Bigler >>> Cc: >>> >>> However I am reluctant to switch to UTF-8 for all my texts in English, >>> German, French, even Icelandic etc... i.e. Western European languages, >>> the only ones I'll ever typeset, which are perfectly handled in >>> unibyte iso-8859-1. >> >> You seem to assume that going multibyte requires that your files be >> encoded in UTF-8.  That simply isn't true.  The files can continue be >> encoded in ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15; Emacs will decode them into its >> internal representation when you visit the file and encode it back >> when you save it.  You lose nothing. > > But does that require that you mark those files as coded in ISO-8859-1 etc? For reliability, yes. Otherwise Emacs cannot really know the encoding and has to guess if a byte with value 164 means ¤ (ISO-8859-1) or € (ISO-8859-15), for instance. Converting the files to UTF-8 solves this ambiguity, of course. Sven From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sven Joachim Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , Eli Zaretskii , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129677126516537 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 22:14:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7RY-0004Ig-NN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:14:25 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7RW-0004IO-IF for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:14:22 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1070830ewy.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:22:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2ly8vfydTugtnlFNmUgpW0XUJKNIAAdtmex5wfUzqpM=; b=QUd+akBtl1VMeUHca4CpC9ZtVFPXaa4UnTuaHzUa/slTDTEB77CTgizrIpLkAtNdPk RjALtbiZyGVGI6x0kOVjS8mJUlbbfibUJEGMje7QrX+g1aS+kpfjWSlH8dTlgu90kshv sJGYXdMoALNlJGPmCuhHdGZ7AtL+Oii3aCTHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wkKUoXpXQRQT2FBHdYimkM7+V6gc8ypRFUagGHiiRLffUUpO8Sf8Wt4f+hYh6yGk8L 9b3V0OzhCo0/rWbVdMBL8Si77geuGXPopfKkNxj1Aor36GSiOdvraaXRZjTTbm7RSN3I D2PPjFG4DFOgZc7unfdXW3GFJXv3Vzs5wN1l8= Received: by 10.213.32.143 with SMTP id c15mr14228498ebd.67.1296771771284; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:22:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:22:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:22:31 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >>>> >>>> However I am reluctant to switch to UTF-8 for all my texts in English, >>>> German, French, even Icelandic etc... i.e. Western European languages, >>>> the only ones I'll ever typeset, which are perfectly handled in >>>> unibyte iso-8859-1. >>> >>> You seem to assume that going multibyte requires that your files be >>> encoded in UTF-8. =C2=A0That simply isn't true. =C2=A0The files can con= tinue be >>> encoded in ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15; Emacs will decode them into its >>> internal representation when you visit the file and encode it back >>> when you save it. =C2=A0You lose nothing. >> >> But does that require that you mark those files as coded in ISO-8859-1 e= tc? > > For reliability, yes. =C2=A0Otherwise Emacs cannot really know the encodi= ng > and has to guess if a byte with value 164 means =C2=A4 (ISO-8859-1) or = =E2=82=AC > (ISO-8859-15), for instance. =C2=A0Converting the files to UTF-8 solves t= his > ambiguity, of course. Is it sure that Emacs in the future will always do the same guess about encoding for files that have no explicit coding in them? If not then perhaps it would be good to add a function to emacs that helps users add comments about explicit coding to a bunch of files. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Sven Joachim Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129677202918216 (code B ref 7962); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2011 22:27:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7dt-0004jl-26 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:27:09 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7dq-0004jA-Ok for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:27:08 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Feb 2011 22:35:35 -0000 Received: from p54861DCA.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO turtle.gmx.de) [84.134.29.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp031) with SMTP; 03 Feb 2011 23:35:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #28250155 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Y/aM3Qt4YVQcuSaO21jRQoguB++0YBe1pO+8cmu 5XDB94keJBtNBX Received: by turtle.gmx.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 739643F458; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:35:37 +0100 (CET) From: Sven Joachim References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:35:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:22:31 +0100") Message-ID: <87aaicn3uu.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) On 2011-02-03 23:22 +0100, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> For reliability, yes.  Otherwise Emacs cannot really know the encoding >> and has to guess if a byte with value 164 means ¤ (ISO-8859-1) or € >> (ISO-8859-15), for instance.  Converting the files to UTF-8 solves this >> ambiguity, of course. > > > Is it sure that Emacs in the future will always do the same guess > about encoding for files that have no explicit coding in them? This is not even the case today, depending on your locale environment Emacs will guess differently for ¤/€. > If not then perhaps it would be good to add a function to emacs that > helps users add comments about explicit coding to a bunch of files. IMO offering to convert them to UTF-8 would be more helpful. The legacy encodings ought to die some day. Cheers, Sven From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129680593115744 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 07:52:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlGSh-00045s-68 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 02:52:11 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlGSd-00045f-LI for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 02:52:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927AC7B909; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:00:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21565-08; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:00:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831617B8EA; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:00:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4BB21D.6050504@ens2m.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:00:29 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) Le 03/02/2011 22:19, Eli Zaretskii a =E9crit : >> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:49:22 +0100 >> From: Emmanuel Bigler >> Cc: >> >> However I am reluctant to switch to UTF-8 for all my texts in English, >> German, French, even Icelandic etc... i.e. Western European languages, >> the only ones I'll ever typeset, which are perfectly handled in >> unibyte iso-8859-1. > > You seem to assume that going multibyte requires that your files be > encoded in UTF-8. That simply isn't true. The files can continue be > encoded in ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15; Emacs will decode them into its > internal representation when you visit the file and encode it back > when you save it. You lose nothing. > OK Eli. I'm trying to understand and this is a bit tricky. Now I'm entering into **very** strange things ; I hope somebody can=20 explain what's going on. This is emacs 23.2.93.1 1/ in an emacs buffer I load a test-file created years ago with a=20 program, a list of unibyte characters that I display as iso-8859-1. All=20 characters are displayed properly. 2/ I (toggle-enable-multibyte-characters nil) : unibyte characters=20 already present in the files do not change and are displayed correctly. I type a fresh sequence of letters with diacritic signs at the end of=20 the buffer : OK. I toggle back to unibyte : freshly entered letters=20 appear as 2-byte sequences. OK 3/ now I cut-paste a line of the old unibyte file and enter a fresh=20 letter with diacritic sign in thye middel of this line ; I'm still in=20 2-byte codeing/display : the letter entered in the middle of unibytes=20 seems to stay unibyte !! Is this a bug, a feature, or misconceptions / misunderstandings on my=20 side ?? ------------ From Sven : > IMO offering to convert them to UTF-8 would be more helpful. The > legacy encodings ought to die some day. Exactly like legacy software should die some day ; (ahem) : who said :=20 "exacty like emacs, an old and obsolete software, that I've been using=20 for 25 years..." ;-);-) -- Emmanuel From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129680647216514 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 08:01:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlGbQ-0004II-Hf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:01:12 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlGbO-0004I7-NQ for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:01:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA09D7B90D; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:09:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23236-05; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:09:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A947B6DA; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:09:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4BB441.6010804@ens2m.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:09:37 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4BB21D.6050504@ens2m.fr> In-Reply-To: <4D4BB21D.6050504@ens2m.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > 3/ now I cut-paste a line of the old unibyte file and enter a fresh > letter with diacritic sign in thye middel of this line ; I'm still in > 2-byte codeing/display : the letter entered in the middle of unibytes > seems to stay unibyte !! > Is this a bug, a feature, or misconceptions / misunderstandings on my > side ?? > Ooops ! this was an error on my side, forget about this. I simply entered a fresh letter in the middle of an old unibyte line of an old file, fresh letter in unibyte format/display. So it behaves as it should. When toggled to 2-byte display, the old line does not change but characters entered in multibyte in the middel eof it are displayed as 2-byte ... when toggles *back* to unibyte display. So ("same player shoot again", sorry) everything works as it should, i.e. fine, except that captialize does not work on unibyte letters with diacritic signs, when displayed as unibyte. Now the last test is to enter fresh letters in 2-byte, capitalize them, do not switch bak to unibyet display, save the file, exits emacs, and see what happens when re-loaded/displayed as unibyte. -- E.B. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize / ISO 8859 / UNIBYTE / utf-8 backward compatibility Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129680723317562 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 08:13:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlGng-0004ZD-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:13:53 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlGne-0004Z2-Ra for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:13:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A19A7B910; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:22:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25091-07; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:22:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FD17B919; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:22:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4BB736.408@ens2m.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:22:14 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4BB21D.6050504@ens2m.fr> <4D4BB441.6010804@ens2m.fr> In-Reply-To: <4D4BB441.6010804@ens2m.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Le 04/02/2011 09:09, Emmanuel Bigler a =E9crit : > Now the last test is to enter fresh letters in 2-byte, capitalize them, > do not switch bak to unibyet display, save the file, exits emacs, and > see what happens when re-loaded/displayed as unibyte. I just did this test. After loading the old unibyte file, toggling 2-byte display on, I=20 entered freshly typed letters with a diacritic sign. Did not toggle back=20 to unibyte, and saved buffer - killed emacs. Re-loaded emacs ; note that in my .emacs I have nothing to=20 force emacs to be unibyte. The results is that old unibyte letters are displayed correctly, new=20 2-bytes letters appear 2-byte. Hence emacs is smart enough to stay=20 unibyte when he starts reading unibyte code. Nothing is lost : *great*. However, new letters added at the end of the file in the previous=20 2-byte session show as 2-byte in unibyte displayed, and were stored as=20 2-byte when stores under the "2-byte display" setting. Nothing but=20 normal, after all. However mixing 2-byte an 1-byte code is definitely something annoying to = me. Hence I'll probably stay 100% unibyte until emacs forces me to be=20 "modern" ;-) -- Emmanuel From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize / ISO 8859 / UNIBYTE / utf-8 backward compatibility Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129680883019829 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 08:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHDS-00059l-Hx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:40:30 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlHDP-00059X-Om for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:40:29 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG30070045FSZ00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:48:51 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG3007WC4HC40C0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:48:49 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:48:56 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <4D4BB736.408@ens2m.fr> Message-id: <83aaicb2x3.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4BB21D.6050504@ens2m.fr> <4D4BB441.6010804@ens2m.fr> <4D4BB736.408@ens2m.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:22:14 +0100 > From: Emmanuel Bigler >=20 > Le 04/02/2011 09:09, Emmanuel Bigler a =E9crit : > > Now the last test is to enter fresh letters in 2-byte, capitalize= them, > > do not switch bak to unibyet display, save the file, exits emacs,= and > > see what happens when re-loaded/displayed as unibyte. >=20 >=20 > I just did this test. >=20 > After loading the old unibyte file, toggling 2-byte display on, I= =20 > entered freshly typed letters with a diacritic sign. Did not toggle= back=20 > to unibyte, and saved buffer - killed emacs. > Re-loaded emacs ; note that in my .emacs I have nothing to= =20 > force emacs to be unibyte. If there's nothing in your .emacs to force Emacs to be unibyte, then what do you mean by "loading the old unibyte file"? What exactly do you type to do that? Btw, perhaps it is better that you use "emacs -Q" for these experiments, until we figure out what's wrong with editing these file= s in multibyte mode. > However, new letters added at the end of the file in the previous= =20 > 2-byte session show as 2-byte in unibyte displayed What do you mean by "unibyte display"? How did you manage to force Emacs to display the text as unibyte? It does not do that by default= . > and were stored as 2-byte when stores under the "2-byte display" > setting. Nothing but normal, after all. No, this isn't "normal". Your procedure for using multibyte Emacs is incorrect. I will sugges= t the correct procedure once I understand how you force the buffer that visits a file be unibyte. There should be no problems with editing buffers with ISO-8859-1 text in multibyte mode. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129681576329594 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 10:36:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlJ1H-0007hG-If for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:36:03 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlJ1F-0007gm-2A for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:36:01 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D0E186DEE6; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:44:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1681C000ED; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:44:30 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DM2pfZlQCApc; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:44:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from hase (ppp-88-217-108-1.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.108.1]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:44:29 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Yow: Don't worry, nobody really LISTENS to lectures in MOSCOW, either! .. FRENCH, HISTORY, ADVANCED CALCULUS, COMPUTER PROGRAMMING, BLACK STUDIES, SOCIOBIOLOGY!.. Are there any QUESTIONS?? Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:44:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:22:31 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > Is it sure that Emacs in the future will always do the same guess > about encoding for files that have no explicit coding in them? If not > then perhaps it would be good to add a function to emacs that helps > users add comments about explicit coding to a bunch of files. Just set the coding system priority accordingly. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.12968208104357 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 12:00:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlKKg-00018D-Ad for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:00:10 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlKKe-00017j-Qv for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:00:09 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1265141ewy.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 04:08:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=jqMU/mq1oKBkfci1Bu0yLmbKDB9xM0dDQE8+J0828Fg=; b=ea3rh/j7EwfMM4kUKcHe3souwqEQX81NSkZWnarmGA3hS4DvI7NyLl0arkAcOjYaJS 27f+bJHyyv/jMPE+WobkvHj/zlay48QVz4dHUTEq0SQh2qRhJFa34fdp8hkyH5Taj4YU ZhpbMuI2C9JtoAAcBdJ4Os6tQSaKxDLWRDFmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=a/3GCcdGf4mxn0Z1llvZt5V+fHPgsbj6nRNNDBI8n8Re8Nk5z0G2nvBZs5aq6Job9A YX+hokn48dcQFlzgubqDLzHtnPUF91JW9tdvJfL/C7+JwWRxPdqJjqKcfKtOmjwieC2M Nk8jNXp88CGAyGeHMKbBydEU9Kqn9lJsDdlFo= Received: by 10.213.33.206 with SMTP id i14mr15009209ebd.80.1296821319143; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 04:08:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 04:07:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:07:26 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> Is it sure that Emacs in the future will always do the same guess >> about encoding for files that have no explicit coding in them? If not >> then perhaps it would be good to add a function to emacs that helps >> users add comments about explicit coding to a bunch of files. > > Just set the coding system priority accordingly. I see, but it is not the coding system priority that we want to change so that utf-8 is first? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682280010255 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 12:33:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlKql-0002fM-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:33:20 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlKqj-0002f9-AA for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:33:18 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B01C08CFF; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:41:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27ED61C00093; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:41:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnBZYTftd6lE; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:41:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from hase (ppp-88-217-108-1.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.108.1]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:41:42 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Yow: WHO sees a BEACH BUNNY sobbing on a SHAG RUG?! Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:41:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:07:26 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > I see, but it is not the coding system priority that we want to change > so that utf-8 is first? I don't understand your question. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682408212089 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 12:54:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLBR-00038v-UJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:54:42 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLBQ-00038k-DC for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:54:40 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1305236eyd.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:03:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=mnUM/c/miWpSskGpvrLrfbpfKoJqURLfbQ9c/KWx4NE=; b=N9uDi9CpUqZRNKZv7kEfU5DoRJN8sYSez+iMfPOBMVOEMqEP9BcxaHLtqWRYutLMRF oQhCyXCFqgioj0/AqctZmejoO7xSJiN1ginM5q52rHFt9+Uit2dIPzcPllpNHcYfBOyE VLZq0lPMt0RMD/IGbn2xQItjYqovvh/u5aHE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=s3PUhEckLZ+F0xMziu6sOEbldW8zavPdyCRu5tgyPZGq7/PYzEgC20j3+DPjfR+fQQ K4dRN5YkqHlxql3IU53JzDIrzs5CvAXNqs8w3nf9bJ8Il2HwlK2/cqWumuWLIB4Lwnsl CwIMOsZRUSUR4alv1FvHDa466vyRKZCXPGIn8= Received: by 10.213.32.199 with SMTP id e7mr15037665ebd.93.1296824590664; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:03:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:02:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:02:50 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> I see, but it is not the coding system priority that we want to change >> so that utf-8 is first? > > I don't understand your question. I think it is rather me that do not understand this ;-) I just suggested that we are moving towards using utf-8 and that the default coding system lists might change. (So what we are discussing here before is a problem.) From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682426212366 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 12:57:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLEL-0003DO-9L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:57:41 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLEI-0003DB-Lo for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:57:39 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63DC188B581; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:06:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B751C00093; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:06:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SI2acgu53F1X; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:06:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from hase (ppp-88-217-108-1.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.108.1]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:06:05 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Yow: I feel like I'm in a Toilet Bowl with a thumbtack in my forehead!! Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:06:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:02:50 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > I just suggested that we are moving towards using utf-8 Moving? We are there already. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682460912895 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:04:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 13:03:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLJw-0003Lw-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:03:28 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLJu-0003Lj-4J for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:03:26 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1308508eyd.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:11:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dwm0g18AVhvw8atTMAMXkbLshSilZ1eP9to7oxcZ5Qo=; b=Mb/jY9b3b3+cKrrVZB+VDQe3hS9Pe1mOtgsx5c2f4UuogPzHgls/XqLrelWDOEaFof RMRPcm7X+9afdYuiAU2Ueys0v0PynKgQMS+bcHzYKfbwVEmwzgsgMb8uNyTPbu52TP+K CLQdwyFVxnjcyHHjHDALiVs9+ugNDbTrVICkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mHK2MuK2OzEqiki+06HxYVdom7A/Y2D+OeCv86pRq4xy63l2s8Ror4IVALvCpyvvT/ tOIeCsaze9pCWSaYw8FBPNCIJ+n/DoYyHfLCObzUvm8iftahbaii/vu4od6f0MetOrJN PxuAgq5E8Xk2C9BZP0SqCGatoMKmjAqSr7GDQ= Received: by 10.213.32.199 with SMTP id e7mr15050041ebd.93.1296825116617; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:11:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:11:36 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Andreas Schwab wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> I just suggested that we are moving towards using utf-8 > > Moving? =C2=A0We are there already. Are we? I am sure I do not understand this ;-) I see this: buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code'. Its value is iso-latin-1-dos From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682519513716 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 13:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLTP-0003ZB-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:13:15 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLTN-0003Yz-9W for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:13:13 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1290109ewy.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:21:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B/p1STS9JDxf5WjFhhurFuuEV1T+z2N/TndkzftvAhA=; b=TBdeLqvsni/JhYAf4uMBb1xIRbCNM0bslb5B+oJVZ1pIoP+gdHkFPgvpDT3f3jQFMe 1YwGLg4WdQ5YEqDXq7JjLNs7OXAVUBUMxcpSWQ/r+T2LbcJo4Fp1ZkQD0u55zkHSOsxU AyDomO4VP/4/AHcR5E05A1IkIqo65Y4MNhQ/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c1FBoCNvUQO5FsREoJ0vOVfC/7YtkjACzkcC2OF3NwFHRcmrU0qlvwg5RnIPXuFzHC BDTf3kLEFikl1PJIv6aRoMveU137v8U8Y11iAlsKcgtKnb0OpbKMe6M5DeQ6kVIgPFcA z8JWfTtGlD5l2xQ7lc9/5Z9W9YgTnasjQppwA= Received: by 10.213.3.3 with SMTP id 3mr6060667ebl.54.1296825703772; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:21:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:21:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:21:23 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Andreas Schwab wr= ote: >> Lennart Borgman writes: >> >>> I just suggested that we are moving towards using utf-8 >> >> Moving? =C2=A0We are there already. > > Are we? I am sure I do not understand this ;-) > > I see this: > =C2=A0buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code'. > =C2=A0Its value is iso-latin-1-dos For "emacs -Q" of course. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682577514534 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 13:22:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLcl-0003mN-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:22:55 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLcj-0003mA-1Q for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:22:53 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F461C01D98; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:31:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1811C00114; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:31:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KjexEYxXFiUr; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:31:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from hase (ppp-88-217-108-1.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.108.1]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:31:21 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Yow: I'm in DISGUISE as a BAGGAGE CHECKER....I can watch the house, if it's ORANGE... Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:31:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:11:36 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > I see this: > buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code'. > Its value is iso-latin-1-dos What is you issue with that? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682663515813 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 13:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLqc-00046z-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:37:14 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlLqa-00046o-NE for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:37:13 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1299786ewy.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:45:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GgFZ8NNjcnjp9E03hGbWhy1mIQyFXQibz0VvCli+3Xw=; b=ocURejQOUc1LuN7tG4kLlVurpQ7KEbZcJ5FToHBTMu1czOeAi7rx9atczOyGs7PdY5 0N5gRUXjNj//iEg1rSMbhBT0IGc79vePhbsVIKpVPqiGa/BmL/ffPIXpTC2E76CaJG02 g+o/nMXLk0H3NOs7JQxCuIY1f2RK8Zi57t97c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FzwGNezyMIGFHNg85Y7Q4DpzZr1vQRgLkHp9EOtS1HMZmEoKZLQJOVCdVza/RhRckT Pem7FQ8gaD85gQ2mTXaDTviBC6rXBoRykGXshTzMTqwmp/oe81RGYOqcgc5Rx2ROsdgS mXL/ZJBMCMRBmj/FBj7hsA/Rd8S86aBuqTfag= Received: by 10.213.32.199 with SMTP id e7mr15096878ebd.93.1296827143157; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 05:45:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:44:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:44:23 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Andreas Schwab wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> I see this: >> =C2=A0 buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code= '. >> =C2=A0 Its value is iso-latin-1-dos > > What is you issue with that? It does not look like utf-8 to me. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:50:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682739716882 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:50:03 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 13:49:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlM2v-0004OF-0f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:49:57 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlM2s-0004O3-Hh for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:49:55 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACAB1C01F1D; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6EC1C000EC; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:58:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id riW52nonQyvM; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:58:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from hase (ppp-88-217-108-1.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.108.1]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:58:23 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Yow: Youth of today! Join me in a mass rally for traditional mental attitudes! Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:58:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:44:23 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Andreas Schwab wr= ote: >> Lennart Borgman writes: >> >>> I see this: >>> =C2=A0 buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source cod= e'. >>> =C2=A0 Its value is iso-latin-1-dos >> >> What is you issue with that? > > It does not look like utf-8 to me. Why should it be? Andreas. --=20 Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint =3D 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682751417049 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 13:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlM4o-0004Qu-A0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:51:54 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlM4m-0004Qj-Hl for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:51:53 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1329009eyd.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4r854PnoLBn4v8UoAd7ueCcFy7eTmh3geIlkQgJAMjM=; b=ZSZcbxWEY8bizIuGwPLRQCuKD7HqIx+3W3z+uDgfvueRg/e/pLAt0zg9z2N+LGQSbW N8zPK6fdhDmC5hEb6WaDOyzfwLMhxpwN672ZyDQVgfMrvtfLjGLwb1/r6KbwBTzv071h 7K7IEE9rlUlGm7xaG2xmbUWuC/WnKX73pSAWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rqabUcGVofPQf04n97NAisfeOh288e5e9UI6vykg7KLnpsBYBOxGbu0F8lQlpgqx6r Ev0E3bI2Uu79lQ2Ovcjvc9K0EQPxLEA8mDqDMLdcop7b/DkuNOMbTQrYchxYlMh90cgq EwKgXf+1AV40R5mEOTtX3KCg/zmqYVzp2UOPI= Received: by 10.213.29.77 with SMTP id p13mr2704765ebc.2.1296828023007; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:00:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 06:00:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Andreas Schwab wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Andreas Schwab w= rote: >>> Lennart Borgman writes: >>> >>>> I see this: >>>> =C2=A0 buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source co= de'. >>>> =C2=A0 Its value is iso-latin-1-dos >>> >>> What is you issue with that? >> >> It does not look like utf-8 to me. > > Why should it be? I thought you said utf-8 was the default, or? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129682882318896 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 14:13:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlMPu-0004uj-Gp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:13:42 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlMPr-0004uV-UX for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C78188A171; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:22:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7031C00184; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:22:09 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pphszVYc1M3K; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:22:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from hase (ppp-88-217-108-1.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.108.1]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:22:07 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Yow: I'm also against BODY-SURFING!! Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:22:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:00:02 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > I thought you said utf-8 was the default, or? If your file isn't utf-8, why should it be decoded as utf-8? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129683075821624 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 14:45:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlMv8-0005cj-9k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:45:58 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlMv6-0005cW-DV for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:45:57 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG300C00L846B00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:54:26 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG300BUZLEON730@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:54:26 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:54:32 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: Message-id: <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Lennart Borgman > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:11:36 +0100 > Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.or= g, > =09Sven Joachim >=20 > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > > Lennart Borgman writes: > > > >> I just suggested that we are moving towards using utf-8 > > > > Moving? =C2=A0We are there already. >=20 > Are we? I am sure I do not understand this ;-) >=20 > I see this: > buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code= '. > Its value is iso-latin-1-dos See "M-: (coding-system-priority-list) RET". The highest-priority encoding is set from your locale, but look what is the next one. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129683117022203 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 14:52:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlN1m-0005m4-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:52:50 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlN1l-0005ls-EZ for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:52:49 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1344649ewy.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:01:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7UNRXlwS1T8RLcpKBSjXFFanVg+JqRzXYP7piB5AxWw=; b=C/7hc+/TLsyMCns3lf/w0PCKJKbLUsEwnITEsX5a6TCVSbubKDQL41KJmnFZqDGW22 2ZhKWfTLLc50Eb+DwAhRgMYLplCupmxAQxhlK7kahsaqADBtHUWdwYtPsZ1IBAVJIYF6 BsEhmiubZ0ThgsL1L7WNbwmtKW67YB4JBtdqA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xBg5ZS8ykYmZTuvEDqAuWbZzA0vCXZCq2OPYIS5qeyVlSlNOXh+y4Duz1c4rwyezfo me93QyaAsVTU9ifBaN0GeLvpknO4aEVW2Isju6YR+g18bS9IjuwtFNMaXFVKKRxfVlkc ZkMVXqxxLmgh6UhVOtgKWjfkxW55UkFqejwAE= Received: by 10.213.30.20 with SMTP id s20mr3187845ebc.15.1296831679677; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:01:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 07:00:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:00:49 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:11:36 +0100 >> Cc: Emmanuel Bigler , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sven Joachim >> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Andreas Schwab w= rote: >> > Lennart Borgman writes: >> > >> >> I just suggested that we are moving towards using utf-8 >> > >> > Moving? =C2=A0We are there already. >> >> Are we? I am sure I do not understand this ;-) >> >> I see this: >> =C2=A0 buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code= '. >> =C2=A0 Its value is iso-latin-1-dos > > See "M-: (coding-system-priority-list) RET". > > The highest-priority encoding is set from your locale, but look what > is the next one. Thanks. Yes, this is utf-8. So what is the recommended way to change to utf-8 as default? Where is it documented? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, Eli Zaretskii , schwab@linux-m68k.org, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129683232524060 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 15:12:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlNKP-0006G0-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:12:05 -0500 Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.213.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlNKN-0006FY-5l for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:12:03 -0500 Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9so1061001ywk.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:20:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=TXoQMkoqkiE688hYSLYRg25mb5EeN75a6Vq/ZYTDzrs=; b=g/Pej/aA938gZM3OwW/Jtdcm7oACFDJxGSfPmq0jSQHAiMhhjjWSgDRcJ4STz96Mn1 fB5nAv4fpHnnvebeJJMkAdV6fSZYVbNnfSjSjB4I5A+zTMuVb8ZdTmA3CPkBRAxxnnB5 HUihkgjmZe/wSIg/1NlXqj7hu6/D9F7rt8bT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=E7zQLj0NslwmA43thRl2FUpKsp1HrqG/9L0Xvs6rqFSt3n8xdaEAfgjsAa91R5L9Oh agdWun2JEOAQjHu1ZBnEtADiwl5YKW3dLAX0ArQNXnEN8p6TI9Z54IW/1bpKOCMYQFXk ZtyfX2Ma9UfoRCAnMc1am53cxDafG/xwJpBOU= Received: by 10.90.224.2 with SMTP id w2mr6334896agg.198.1296832833917; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([180.72.80.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w6sm995827anf.6.2011.02.04.07.20.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 07:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 45C6F691; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:20:16 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:20:16 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:00:49 +0100") Message-ID: <87aaibddxr.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Lennart Borgman writes: > Thanks. Yes, this is utf-8. > > So what is the recommended way to change to utf-8 as default? Where is > it documented? The recommended way is to change your system locale to a UTF-8 based one. Last time I checked, this caused some major problems for cmd.exe if you attempt it on Windows. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129683330725435 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 15:28:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlNaE-0006cC-OV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:28:26 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlNaD-0006bz-CJ for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:28:26 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG300C00LLZ7U00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:36:30 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG300CX9NCPU200@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:36:27 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:36:32 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <831v3nbym7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Lennart Borgman > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:00:49 +0100 > Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, > svenjoac@gmx.de > > So what is the recommended way to change to utf-8 as default? Why would you want to? What's wrong with the current default? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.1296836913945 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 16:28:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlOWP-0000FB-AT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:28:33 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlOWN-0000Ex-GZ for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:28:31 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1456918eyd.3 for <7962@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fd4n19MtXaZHLAaYbCcEpSUtygbQ2A708eubHVl5FKI=; b=x4PibTQsGO7xl/sWlATVpnIXXhqShyJAMjBiOc0rFtId1dgZ4SVMjy4gT8bZaeqoJq kYma0SF6NnCWcfCTxdG/hd7CJfQAFKV7usQb0bmp3Tk8zrW4sVuGAWTp5/w1cmcgsEYW bor+1EjheWhgF4E3nJVZL8TGjQTc5AcopM2Sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xAYA35oj0/06trPVIGP/Q6KhMcx84SfeldpD/PFZtMzGSfkXZeYgEuZb2dhd8jD0AO 2Cu3iIbroVVuiNmEnvPZ2DfIAi3OF16eFKS+ZROoxRLLXOLFRmul/vw4jfTmQUg6wqEq bX1nCwD4mNtl2OVbdkI7hZv4GNQYFjSujjH4c= Received: by 10.213.3.3 with SMTP id 3mr6364816ebl.54.1296837422183; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 08:36:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <831v3nbym7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> <831v3nbym7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 17:36:41 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:00:49 +0100 >> Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, Emmanuel.Bigler@ens2m.fr, 7962@debbugs.gnu.or= g, >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 svenjoac@gmx.de >> >> So what is the recommended way to change to utf-8 as default? > > Why would you want to? =C2=A0What's wrong with the current default? That would avoid having to add utf-8 to every org-mode file I use ;-) From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Lennart Borgman , schwab@linux-m68k.org, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: svenjoac@gmx.de Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.12968388263726 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 17:00:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlP1F-0000y3-Cy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:00:25 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlP1D-0000xr-7V for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:00:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696797BDEB; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05353-10; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EB17BDD7; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:08:51 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080001030106090400060809" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080001030106090400060809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> I see this: >> buffer-file-coding-system is a variable defined in `C source code'. >> Its value is iso-latin-1-dos > > See "M-: (coding-system-priority-list) RET". > > The highest-priority encoding is set from your locale, but look what > is the next one. > hello again. I think I'm starting to understand what is going on. I had created a long time ago an unibyte file containing the 1-byte=20 characters I want to test within emacs. The file was created with a=20 program on which I have total control byte-by-byte, so I know what is=20 inside the file exactly. I have attached the file to this mail, not sure=20 that this is allowed on the gnu-debug mailing list, but this is simple=20 and very short .txt file, that reads as follows : (this mail itself is=20 typeset and displayed here as iso-8859-1) ------- mytestchars-224-255-iso-8859.txt --------------------- 224 \340 =E0 225 \341 =E1 226 \342 =E2 227 \343 =E3 228 \344 =E4 229 \345 =E5 230 \346 =E6 231 \347 =E7 232 \350 =E8 233 \351 =E9 234 \352 =EA 235 \353 =EB 236 \354 =EC 237 \355 =ED 238 \356 =EE 239 \357 =EF 240 \360 =F0 241 \361 =F1 242 \362 =F2 243 \363 =F3 244 \364 =F4 245 \365 =F5 246 \366 =F6 247 \367 =F7 248 \370 =F8 249 \371 =F9 250 \372 =FA 251 \373 =FB 252 \374 =FC 253 \375 =FD 254 \376 =FE 255 \377 =FF =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 < test strings to see how they behave =C9=E8=E7=E0=F9 ---------------------------------------------------------- I started /usr/local/bin/emacs -Q mytestchars-224-255-iso-8859.txt under emacs 23.2.93.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) The file displays perfectly correctly. (describe-char (point)) gives me=20 exactly what I want, i.e. an extended asci decimal code between 224 and 2= 55. Almost all operations (except capitalize, see below) work exactly as I=20 wish and exactly like in older emacs versions, no mystery since the=20 priority list M-: (coding-system-priority-list) RET reads as : (iso-latin-1 utf-8 iso-2022-7bit iso-2022-7bit-lock iso-2022-8bit-ss2=20 emacs-mule raw-text iso-2022-jp in-is13194-devanagari chinese-iso-8bit=20 utf-8-auto utf-8-with-signature ...) Again I'm perfectly happy since I see that iso-latin-1 comes first, but=20 is this what I want ? certainly yes, my locale environment variables look like : LC_ALL=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-1 LC_COLLATE=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-1 LANG=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-1 GDM_LANG=3Dfr_FR.iso88591 LC_CTYPE=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-1 XTERM_LOCALE=3Dfr_FR.ISO8859-1 However, in this emacs -Q session, with a correct unibyte display of an unibyte file, *capitalize does not work*. At the beginning of this discussion, Sven explained that capitalize=20 would only work on 2-byte characters. Which I tested of course, and of=20 course it works, but I simply wish I could continue to capitalize M-c=20 unibyte words like in the good old iso-8859 days !! Additional info : when applying the M-c command to a letter above decimal ascii 224, nothing happens on the display as reported, *although=20 the buffer is marked as being changed.* Incidentally in a good ol' xterm window (fitted with gnu readline and obeying my LOCALE preferences as liste above), M-c works perfectly as it should, and if I cut-paste from the xterm to the emacs buffer, everything looks fine & unibyte ... except that I can no longer change the case of the pasted string with 'capitalize' or a similar 'case' command. Bug, or UTF-8 emacs 23.2 feature ? -- Emmanuel --------------080001030106090400060809 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mytestchars-224-255-iso-8859.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mytestchars-224-255-iso-8859.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 224 \340 =E0 225 \341 =E1 226 \342 =E2 227 \343 =E3=20 228 \344 =E4 229 \345 =E5 230 \346 =E6 231 \347 =E7=20 232 \350 =E8 233 \351 =E9 234 \352 =EA 235 \353 =EB=20 236 \354 =EC 237 \355 =ED 238 \356 =EE 239 \357 =EF=20 240 \360 =F0 241 \361 =F1 242 \362 =F2 243 \363 =F3=20 244 \364 =F4 245 \365 =F5 246 \366 =F6 247 \367 =F7=20 248 \370 =F8 249 \371 =F9 250 \372 =FA 251 \373 =FB=20 252 \374 =FC 253 \375 =FD 254 \376 =FE 255 \377 =FF=20 =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 =C9=E8=E7=E0=F9 --------------080001030106090400060809-- From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, svenjoac@gmx.de Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129684412411134 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 18:28:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlQOh-0002tW-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:28:43 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlQOf-0002tH-JR for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:28:42 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LG300B00VD4WN00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:37:12 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.97.124]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LG300BSWVPXTL80@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:37:12 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:37:18 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83tygjaboh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:08:51 +0100 > From: Emmanuel Bigler > Cc: svenjoac@gmx.de > > However, in this emacs -Q session, with a correct unibyte display of > an unibyte file, *capitalize does not work*. I cannot reproduce this. If I start an Emacs session exactly like you say, with the file you attached, I get correct display and capitalization does work for me. > Additional info : when applying the M-c command to a letter above > decimal ascii 224, nothing happens on the display as reported, *although > the buffer is marked as being changed.* What does "C-h c M-c" say? Also, what does Emacs show when you put the cursor on the caharcter you just applied M-c to, and type "C-u C-x ="? > Bug, or UTF-8 emacs 23.2 feature ? Neither. It's some strange issue specific to your system, I think. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:27:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Emmanuel Bigler Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lennart Borgman , 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129685477626127 (code B ref 7962); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:27:03 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2011 21:26:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlTAV-0006nM-JA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:26:15 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlTAT-0006n7-OF for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:26:14 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAJf/S01MCqAf/2dsb2JhbAClLHS5PYVaBIR6jx0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,428,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="90621459" Received: from 76-10-160-31.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.160.31]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 04 Feb 2011 16:34:45 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EFC40660DC; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:34:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> (Emmanuel Bigler's message of "Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:08:51 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > I think I'm starting to understand what is going on. I think you're still confused, tho. For some reason, you haven't replied to any of my email, even tho it's blatantly obvious that your "default enable-multibyte-characters" is the main culprit (and the "default" part is important here, it means that it comes from something you've explicitly changed in your Emacs config). > I had created a long time ago an unibyte file containing the 1-byte > characters I want to test within emacs. You mean an iso-8859-1 file, then. A unibyte file only contains bytes, no chars. > I started /usr/local/bin/emacs -Q mytestchars-224-255-iso-8859.txt > under emacs 23.2.93.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) > The file displays perfectly correctly. (describe-char (point)) gives me > exactly what I want, i.e. an extended asci decimal code between 224 and 255. The code is not very helpful here, since depending on whether the current buffer is unibyte or multibyte, the 224 or 255 doesn't mean the same thing. So the second line "preferred charset:" is more important, since it should either say "eight-bit" (i.e. a raw byte with no associated meaning of it representing some kind of character) or "iso-8859-1". > Almost all operations (except capitalize, see below) work exactly as I wish So that leads me to think the buffer is in unibyte mode. If you started with "emacs -Q", the only explanation is that you have EMACS_UNIBYTE set in your environment variables. If that's the case, then please get rid of it. > At the beginning of this discussion, Sven explained that capitalize would > only work on 2-byte characters. unibyte-vs-multibyte is not the same as "1-byte char"-vs-"2-byte chars". It's an issue that's internal to Emacs and that's largely irrelevant to how Emacs stores chars (e.g. as an array of 32bit integers, or as a sequence of bytes, with escape sequences to represent more than 256 different values). > Which I tested of course, and of course it works, but I simply wish > I could continue to capitalize M-c unibyte words like in the good > old iso-8859 days !! Most likely you won't tell the difference: the multibyte mode works just as well for iso-8859 files. "multibyte-mode" means "we're manipulating chars", whereas unibyte mode means "we're manipulating bytes", where bytes are simply numbers between 0 and 255. Now you tell me: what does it mean to capitalize the number 224? Stefan From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 [SOLVED, MANY THANKS TO ALL] Resent-From: Emmanuel Bigler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7962 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , Lennart Borgman , schwab@linux-m68k.org, 7962@debbugs.gnu.org, svenjoac@gmx.de Received: via spool by 7962-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7962.129689753721544 (code B ref 7962); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 7962) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2011 09:18:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PleIC-0005bR-V9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:18:57 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PleIA-0005bE-5z for 7962@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:18:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4C17B913; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:27:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00352-08; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:27:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5687D7B6A7; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:27:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D4D17F7.3000404@ens2m.fr> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:27:19 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Le 04/02/2011 22:34, Stefan Monnier a =E9crit : > ............ > So that leads me to think the buffer is in unibyte mode. > If you started with "emacs -Q", the only explanation is that you have > EMACS_UNIBYTE set in your environment variables. If that's the case, > then please get rid of it. *THANKS, Stefan !* I had this (!!$=A3%!=B5=DE=D0=AC=AC!!) variable set in my shell environme= nt variables from older emacs releases. Getting rid of it solved the problem. So it was not a bug, but a feature ;-) I think that we can now say *IN CAPITAL LETTERS* : *[FEATURE CLOSED]* (since this was not a bug ;-) And this also solved another problem I had noticed : ispell was pretending to use 2-byte characters instead of the 1-byte ISO-8859 I was using. Thanks to all for your time ! Now the only pending isssue is whether I'll convert my files to UTF-8 some day ; ahem... now that my faithful emacs does exactly what I want, I do not see any reason to do it soon, I like to be obsolete to some extent ;-) All the best ! -- Emmanuel From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:10:59 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Emmanuel Bigler Subject: bug#7962: closed (Re: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 [SOLVED, MANY THANKS TO ALL]) Message-ID: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 7962 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 7962@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 15:56:01 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1296921361-25996-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1296921361-25996-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23= .2.1 which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 7962@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 7962: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D7962 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1296921361-25996-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 7962-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2011 15:55:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlkUG-0006ku-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:55:48 -0500 Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.34]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PlkUF-0006ki-E0 for 7962-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:55:48 -0500 Received: from toip5.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.88]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20110205160410.DCHP19531.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip5.srvr.bell.ca> for <7962-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:04:10 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAGv9TE1GNcMI/2dsb2JhbAClMnO5eYVaBIR6ijU Received: from unknown (HELO ceviche.home) ([70.53.195.8]) by toip5.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 Feb 2011 11:04:10 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D0C72660DC; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:04:09 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Emmanuel Bigler Subject: Re: bug#7962: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 [SOLVED, MANY THANKS TO ALL] Message-ID: References: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> <4D4AAEE7.9040509@ens2m.fr> <4D4AF8B2.6090108@ens2m.fr> <83oc6sbyum.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbckn4ph.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <834o8jc0k7.fsf@gnu.org> <4D4C32A3.3030906@ens2m.fr> <4D4D17F7.3000404@ens2m.fr> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 11:04:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D4D17F7.3000404@ens2m.fr> (Emmanuel Bigler's message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:27:19 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7962-done Cc: 7962-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) >> EMACS_UNIBYTE set in your environment variables. If that's the case, > *THANKS, Stefan !* > I had this (!!$=A3%!=B5=DE=D0=AC=AC!!) variable set in my shell environme= nt > variables from older emacs releases. FWIW, I did point you there a dozen email ago already. Anyway, thanks for confirming, Stefan ------------=_1296921361-25996-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2011 14:41:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkdtV-000723-Mv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:41:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkdgs-0006iu-J7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:28:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkdom-0005K8-Ck for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:36:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:49595) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkdom-0005K1-8r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:36:24 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54128 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pkdoa-0003II-4H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:36:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pka4E-0005If-VH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 05:36:12 -0500 Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([194.167.45.241]:42960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pka4E-0005IT-FX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 05:36:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEA67B54E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:36:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mercure.ens2m.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercure.ens2m.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21804-04 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:35:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from ebigler.femto-dtf.ens2m.fr (unknown [172.16.120.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mercure.ens2m.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7220C7B537 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:35:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D493388.2070801@ens2m.fr> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:35:52 +0100 From: Emmanuel Bigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.2; capitalize letters ISO-8859-1 with diacritic signs in emacs 23.2.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ens2m.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 194.167.45.241 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:41:14 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': ----------- bug ?? or feature ?? ---------------------- Hello from France ! I have been using emacs for decades and in a previous version emacs 22 the function capitalize word used to work properly with the European character set ISO-8859-1 For example capitalize word on =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 used to supply =C9=E8=E7=E0=F9 upcase word on =E9=E8=E7=E0=F9 used to supply =C9=C8=C7=C0=D9 Now under emacs 23.2.1 the same action does not seem to work, only the ASCII-7-bit set is properly capitalized or up-cased. --=20 Emmanuel BIGLER If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.2/etc/DEBUG. 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