From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:53:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.129641358211379 (code B ref -1); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:53:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2011 18:53:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcOT-0002xR-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:53:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcMK-0002uA-6k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:50:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUL-0002gm-VD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:35004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUL-0002gi-SU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57727 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PjcUK-0006V0-5T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUI-0002gF-KM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:04 -0500 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([216.239.44.51]:62845) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUI-0002fd-GG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:02 -0500 Received: from kpbe11.cbf.corp.google.com (kpbe11.cbf.corp.google.com [172.25.105.75]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p0UIwxUw027037 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1296413939; bh=GRPqzbjZHlvRMaWlXYaycMFPFvs=; h=To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:From; b=hy0dzm6JOeHStIdBY5FKBs/H8kdT/n+rbxgmJBcnxiPetJ/By74ptKJCZYv0nDb0P dWhDKD4pWEKWJiF/wovUQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:x-system-of-record; b=f+hmRyoCw22iOb9H1qZs70kz6pAznL4c+UFcv/4Gc3Md9J71/xAGZsK45Jl6//Vxi V8YMLusNEPoNd2v3SiM+g== Received: from purefun.sfo.corp.google.com (purefun.sfo.corp.google.com [172.31.130.24]) by kpbe11.cbf.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p0UIwviL014199 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:58 -0800 Received: by purefun.sfo.corp.google.com (Postfix, from userid 115539) id ABE7116C28C; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) From: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) X-System-Of-Record: true X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 216.239.44.51 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:52:59 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) I am running emacs in an Apple Terminal window while ssh'd to a Linux Ubuntu 10.04.1 system. My TERM is set to xterm-color. (Note that the Apple Terminal app only supports 8 colors.) All the colors are quite dingy looking, but in particular the background is color #e5e5e5 which on my computer is fairly dark and makes the text hard to read (particularly cyan or green text). Here's what list-colors-display shows: black black #000000 red red #cd0000 green green #00cd00 yellow yellow #cdcd00 blue blue #0000ee magenta magenta #cd00cd cyan cyan #00cdcd white white #e5e5e5 Note that others on the emacs mailing list have been able to reproduce this problem (even on a Windows system). See the thread "white is #e5e5e5" started Jan 23, 2011. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2010-11-23 on yellow, modified by Debian configured using `configure '--build=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: C value of $LC_NUMERIC: C value of $LC_TIME: C value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Shell Minor modes in effect: csv-field-index-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: SPC p u s h RET ESC [ ? 1 ; 2 c C-x 3 ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ C-x C-b C-x o C-n C-n f C-x o C-c C-c C-c C-c C-r 1 6 7 7 SPC t p s C-r C-a C-n C-@ ESC > C-p C-p C-p C-a ESC w C-x o C-y C-x C-x C-g C-x e C-g C-x ( ESC d C-d C-d ESC C-f ESC C-b ESC f C-k C-n C-a C-x ) C-u 8 8 8 8 C-x e C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC v ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-@ C-v C-x 1 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n ESC w C-x C-f ~ / s t a t . t x t RET C-y ESC v C-v ESC v ESC v C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC > ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC n RET ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-@ ESC > C-p C-p ESC w C-x C-f ESC DEL ESC DEL ESC DEL ESC DEL s t TAB a t 2 . t x t RET C-y ESC y C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC x r e o DEL p o r t SPC e m a TAB RET Recent messages: History item: 8 History item: 7 Mark set Saved text from "260KB 792B Total cache size 1 Number of " Making completion list... 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Wrote /home/warrenharris/stat2.txt From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: Acknowledgement (23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window) References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> In-Reply-To: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> Resent-From: Warren Harris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129649002027059 (code B ref 7943); Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2011 16:07:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjwHL-00072O-Bd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Note that I tried again with iTerm which supports 256 colors. $TERM was set to xterm-256color. list-colors-display shows 256 different colors including bright white (which really looks white), but "white" is still listed as #e5e5e5, and the window background color is still grey. --00163691fec19b75eb049b26b873 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Note that I tried again with iTerm which supports 256 colors. $TERM was set= to xterm-256color. list-colors-display shows 256 different colors includin= g bright white (which really looks white), but "white" is still l= isted as #e5e5e5, and=A0the window background color= is still grey. --00163691fec19b75eb049b26b873-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> In-Reply-To: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> Resent-From: Warren Harris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.12999551805497 (code B ref 7943); 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--000e0cd25dc623e728049e4d66f4-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Warren Harris Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129995906110949 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 19:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyUjc-0002qY-SV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:44:21 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyUjZ-0002qJ-Ga for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:44:18 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LHY00600MPB8I00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:44:10 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.58.59]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LHY0050QMTLE2A0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:44:10 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:44:15 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > From: Warren Harris > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:39:10 -0800 > Cc: > > Any update on this bug? Thanks, Sorry for such a long delay. This is not a bug. The xterm colors are defined on lisp/term/xterm.el as follows: (defvar xterm-standard-colors ;; The names in the comments taken from XTerm-col.ad in the xterm ;; distribution, see ftp://dickey.his.com/xterm/. RGB values are ;; from rgb.txt. '(("black" 0 ( 0 0 0)) ; black ("red" 1 (205 0 0)) ; red3 ("green" 2 ( 0 205 0)) ; green3 ("yellow" 3 (205 205 0)) ; yellow3 ("blue" 4 ( 0 0 238)) ; blue2 ("magenta" 5 (205 0 205)) ; magenta3 ("cyan" 6 ( 0 205 205)) ; cyan3 ("white" 7 (229 229 229)) ; gray90 ("brightblack" 8 (127 127 127)) ; gray50 ("brightred" 9 (255 0 0)) ; red ("brightgreen" 10 ( 0 255 0)) ; green ("brightyellow" 11 (255 255 0)) ; yellow ("brightblue" 12 (92 92 255)) ; rgb:5c/5c/ff ("brightmagenta" 13 (255 0 255)) ; magenta ("brightcyan" 14 ( 0 255 255)) ; cyan ("brightwhite" 15 (255 255 255))) ; white As you see, what is called "white" in list-colors-display is actually gray90, and its RGB components are 229 decimal, or E5 hex. Exactly what you see. This definition is used to leave FFFFFF for brightwhite, see above. So I suggest to close this bug. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , "'Warren Harris'" Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129996114713935 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 20:19:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyVHH-0003ch-6u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:19:07 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyVHF-0003cE-3r for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:19:05 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2CKIwvZ008524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:18:59 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2CKIvOG018036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:18:57 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2CKIum5013548; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:18:56 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.173) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:18:56 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:18:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Acvg8RCSC3lRj8zTTQaic59rhl/sJQAARU8A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Source-IP: acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4D7BD532.0043,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > ("white" 7 (229 229 229)) ; gray90 > ("brightwhite" 15 (255 255 255))) ; white > > As you see, what is called "white" in list-colors-display is actually > gray90.... This definition is used to leave FFFFFF for brightwhite Wow. I won't presume to suggest that this is misguided, but I can't help but wonder why. Why wouldn't white be called "white" and gray90 be called "gray90" or "off-white" or some such? Likewise for red and the rest. Why change the standard/conventional/common definition of the color name? Just wondering. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Warren Harris , 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129996248315796 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 20:41:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyVco-00046i-Tn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:41:23 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyVcm-00046X-Vn for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:41:21 -0500 Received: by eye13 with SMTP id 13so1269247eye.3 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:41:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DcS36jROkrRbRe3EGdurxmLEI9MWw8bR7qFMjnp41dE=; b=iOJroepujlpxZ8Qc5s77U7yXZxA1EPONQKByU3fdV39Q4/VYPUuFMv71YNa1oZ+Vmn ZDgR8gNZ7MLN08YUWiWaYCjLewuM4oIeHNle28C3Z89d3KyA+V/FTM51/6Y+Lv2zPCWc 0P52+2XBr/FZ90pst05gaxFLd7mpwxpf4nXL8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=L+FO5DDLfi3iKyfW5923qYXoKD4p+/JOnJr8DBRqEoHxY1WHDAI7dTsZQufsMetatc j0PI0Je52DR+/EUOnTths1k4JCeDi57gSgasoygMeFi+gWkIx0SKkExR4+idUHVKejC/ RO0dfDgWkC4ZNXU0iXqAjmo5US6AlZAeyfTMc= Received: by 10.213.25.79 with SMTP id y15mr2131595ebb.41.1299962475104; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:41:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.27.136 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:40:55 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ("white" =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A07 (229 2= 29 229)) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0; gray90 >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ("brightwhite" =C2=A0 15 (255 255 255))) =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 ; white >> >> As you see, what is called "white" in list-colors-display is actually >> gray90.... =C2=A0This definition is used to leave FFFFFF for brightwhite > > Wow. =C2=A0I won't presume to suggest that this is misguided, but I can't= help but > wonder why. =C2=A0Why wouldn't white be called "white" and gray90 be call= ed "gray90" > or "off-white" or some such? =C2=A0Likewise for red and the rest. =C2=A0W= hy change the > standard/conventional/common definition of the color name? > > Just wondering. Because this is Emacs? ;-) From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:10:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: warrenharris@google.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129996418318196 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:10:03 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 21:09:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyW4E-0004jQ-07 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:09:42 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyW4A-0004jA-T0 for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:09:40 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LHY00600QOBYR00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:09:22 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.58.59]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LHY005XJQRLZ7B0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:09:22 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:09:27 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <7943@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:18:54 -0800 > > > ("white" 7 (229 229 229)) ; gray90 > > ("brightwhite" 15 (255 255 255))) ; white > > > > As you see, what is called "white" in list-colors-display is actually > > gray90.... This definition is used to leave FFFFFF for brightwhite > > Wow. I won't presume to suggest that this is misguided, but I can't help but > wonder why. Why wouldn't white be called "white" and gray90 be called "gray90" > or "off-white" or some such? For compatibility with 8-color text terminals that cannot produce the bright colors, IIRC. Some text terminals can produce bright white by combining white with another text attribute (bold, if I'm not mistaken). Having 8-color terminals without "white" would be confusing. We do use "gray" on terminals that don't have this historical precedent, see w32console.el, for example. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Warren Harris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129996644921451 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 21:47:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyWem-0005Zt-ED for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:47:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([216.239.44.51]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyWej-0005Zh-Nh for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:47:26 -0500 Received: from hpaq11.eem.corp.google.com (hpaq11.eem.corp.google.com [172.25.149.11]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p2CLlJeg004329 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:47:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1299966440; bh=96jWTZfI79CPyGFkKpqs2Ak2hh0=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=QvvUHO3Z43IBJcp5KUs2u2nwfNvys8lPv7hkLkQjRTj1AEPycydtv/O3eT7Zz16Th PODFOhYtMV+EGJLcXwASA== Received: from yws5 (yws5.prod.google.com [10.192.19.5]) by hpaq11.eem.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p2CLlHLS004950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:47:18 -0800 Received: by yws5 with SMTP id 5so2112627yws.0 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:47:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=3JdDXQ+aP7QTnKUjSNJr1z8bLTGRijw/0GPXzwGwgPs=; b=SRVxh7ycLgUEkppg3l3Cj2TWc2YPo1+CrGa3afCsXHvIKwiGllvevSHKP3AjXIr0oL HeSbR19rKLLKGlKLeYRQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=q+5n+NIyhRW2Tm3ymxAt4O5QbrFJbJMVB38R7ekzsXkW8Evu/sOeA/xM2AECZzE7Ic NzGWhzGGnKookSb4U0Jg== Received: by 10.101.175.7 with SMTP id c7mr2359294anp.22.1299966437154; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:47:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.9.1 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:46:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Warren Harris Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:46:57 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5c190b4dde0049e500549 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) --001636c5c190b4dde0049e500549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All I can say is the current behavior is quite annoying when more than 8 colors are available. Many colors have very low contrast against the grey90 background, and there's no way I can see to set the background to brightwhite. This forces me to set my TERM so that all I get is black and white, which can also be hard on the eyes. I guess I can try and hack my xterm.el, but it definitely seems like a bug to me. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: "Drew Adams" > > Cc: <7943@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:18:54 -0800 > > > > > ("white" 7 (229 229 229)) ; gray90 > > > ("brightwhite" 15 (255 255 255))) ; white > > > > > > As you see, what is called "white" in list-colors-display is actually > > > gray90.... This definition is used to leave FFFFFF for brightwhite > > > > Wow. I won't presume to suggest that this is misguided, but I can't help > but > > wonder why. Why wouldn't white be called "white" and gray90 be called > "gray90" > > or "off-white" or some such? > > For compatibility with 8-color text terminals that cannot produce the > bright colors, IIRC. > > Some text terminals can produce bright white by combining white with > another text attribute (bold, if I'm not mistaken). Having 8-color > terminals without "white" would be confusing. > > We do use "gray" on terminals that don't have this historical > precedent, see w32console.el, for example. > --001636c5c190b4dde0049e500549 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All I can say is the current behavior is quite annoying when more than 8 co= lors are available. Many colors have very low contrast against the grey90 b= ackground, and there's no way I can see to set the background to bright= white. This forces me to set my TERM so that all I get is black and white, = which can also be hard on the eyes.=A0

I guess I can try and hack my xterm.el, but it definitely se= ems like a bug to me.


On Sat, = Mar 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:18:54 -0800
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 ("white" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A07 (229 229 229)= ) =A0 =A0; gray90
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 ("brightwhite" =A0 15 (255 255 255))) =A0 ;= white
> >
> > As you see, what is called "white" in list-colors-displ= ay is actually
> > gray90.... =A0This definition is used to leave FFFFFF for brightw= hite
>
> Wow. =A0I won't presume to suggest that this is misguided, but I c= an't help but
> wonder why. =A0Why wouldn't white be called "white" and = gray90 be called "gray90"
> or "off-white" or some such?

For compatibility with 8-color text terminals that cannot produce the=
bright colors, IIRC.

Some text terminals can produce bright white by combining white with
another text attribute (bold, if I'm not mistaken). =A0Having 8-color terminals without "white" would be confusing.

We do use "gray" on terminals that don't have this historical=
precedent, see w32console.el, for example.

--001636c5c190b4dde0049e500549-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: warrenharris@google.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129996665621730 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 21:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyWi7-0005eR-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:50:55 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyWi5-0005eG-PC for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:50:54 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2CLokYG021797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:50:47 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2CLoj9J022981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:50:46 GMT Received: from abhmt006.oracle.com (abhmt006.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2CLojR5014505; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:50:45 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.173) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:50:45 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:50:43 -0800 Message-ID: <99CE0660F55F487B85C9DA6764F65CC6@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Acvg+cn1+QNpSjMnRC6ys72ZTiZo9gABSwjg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Source-IP: acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4D7BEAB6.0036,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > For compatibility with 8-color text terminals that cannot produce the > bright colors, IIRC. My wondering is only about the _names_. Why call a dark or dim red "red" or call a light gray "white"? Which colors the terminal can produce is one thing; what we call them is another - no? > Some text terminals can produce bright white by combining white with > another text attribute (bold, if I'm not mistaken). Having 8-color > terminals without "white" would be confusing. If you say so. But isn't it also confusing that we call gray "white"? > We do use "gray" on terminals that don't have this historical > precedent, see w32console.el, for example. Again, I was just wondering. No complaint from me. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) Subject: bug#7943: closed (Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window) Message-ID: References: <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 7943 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:31:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1299969062-25059-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1299969062-25059-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #7943: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 7943@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 7943: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D7943 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1299969062-25059-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 7943-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 22:31:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXKv-0006Vy-2t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:31:01 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXKr-0006Vl-TO for 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:30:59 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LHY00700UICOR00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:30:43 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.58.59]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LHY006VRUJ5IKD0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:30:43 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:30:47 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Warren Harris Message-id: <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7943-done Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Warren Harris > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:46:57 -0800 > Cc: Drew Adams , 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > > All I can say is the current behavior is quite annoying when more than 8 > colors are available. Many colors have very low contrast against the grey90 > background But that's the most white color that your terminal can produce. xterm.el doesn't _tell_ the terminal what color to produce for "white", it only _documents_ (sort of) what that color is, in terms of RGB components. > and there's no way I can see to set the background to brightwhite. I don't think you can, not for the background. But I'm not an expert on xterm. > I guess I can try and hack my xterm.el I don't see how you can, but let us know if you find a way. I'm closing this bug. Feel free to reopen if you find a way of making your white "whiter". ------------=_1299969062-25059-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2011 18:53:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcOT-0002xR-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:53:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcMK-0002uA-6k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:50:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUL-0002gm-VD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:35004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUL-0002gi-SU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57727 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PjcUK-0006V0-5T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUI-0002gF-KM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:04 -0500 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([216.239.44.51]:62845) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcUI-0002fd-GG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:59:02 -0500 Received: from kpbe11.cbf.corp.google.com (kpbe11.cbf.corp.google.com [172.25.105.75]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p0UIwxUw027037 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1296413939; bh=GRPqzbjZHlvRMaWlXYaycMFPFvs=; h=To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:From; b=hy0dzm6JOeHStIdBY5FKBs/H8kdT/n+rbxgmJBcnxiPetJ/By74ptKJCZYv0nDb0P dWhDKD4pWEKWJiF/wovUQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:x-system-of-record; b=f+hmRyoCw22iOb9H1qZs70kz6pAznL4c+UFcv/4Gc3Md9J71/xAGZsK45Jl6//Vxi V8YMLusNEPoNd2v3SiM+g== Received: from purefun.sfo.corp.google.com (purefun.sfo.corp.google.com [172.31.130.24]) by kpbe11.cbf.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p0UIwviL014199 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:58 -0800 Received: by purefun.sfo.corp.google.com (Postfix, from userid 115539) id ABE7116C28C; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Message-Id: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) From: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) X-System-Of-Record: true X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 216.239.44.51 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:52:59 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) I am running emacs in an Apple Terminal window while ssh'd to a Linux Ubuntu 10.04.1 system. My TERM is set to xterm-color. (Note that the Apple Terminal app only supports 8 colors.) All the colors are quite dingy looking, but in particular the background is color #e5e5e5 which on my computer is fairly dark and makes the text hard to read (particularly cyan or green text). Here's what list-colors-display shows: black black #000000 red red #cd0000 green green #00cd00 yellow yellow #cdcd00 blue blue #0000ee magenta magenta #cd00cd cyan cyan #00cdcd white white #e5e5e5 Note that others on the emacs mailing list have been able to reproduce this problem (even on a Windows system). See the thread "white is #e5e5e5" started Jan 23, 2011. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2010-11-23 on yellow, modified by Debian configured using `configure '--build=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: C value of $LC_NUMERIC: C value of $LC_TIME: C value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Shell Minor modes in effect: csv-field-index-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: SPC p u s h RET ESC [ ? 1 ; 2 c C-x 3 ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ C-x C-b C-x o C-n C-n f C-x o C-c C-c C-c C-c C-r 1 6 7 7 SPC t p s C-r C-a C-n C-@ ESC > C-p C-p C-p C-a ESC w C-x o C-y C-x C-x C-g C-x e C-g C-x ( ESC d C-d C-d ESC C-f ESC C-b ESC f C-k C-n C-a C-x ) C-u 8 8 8 8 C-x e C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC v ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-@ C-v C-x 1 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n ESC w C-x C-f ~ / s t a t . t x t RET C-y ESC v C-v ESC v ESC v C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC > ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC n RET ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-@ ESC > C-p C-p ESC w C-x C-f ESC DEL ESC DEL ESC DEL ESC DEL s t TAB a t 2 . t x t RET C-y ESC y C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC x r e o DEL p o r t SPC e m a TAB RET Recent messages: History item: 8 History item: 7 Mark set Saved text from "260KB 792B Total cache size 1 Number of " Making completion list... 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Wrote /home/warrenharris/stat2.txt ------------=_1299969062-25059-1-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: warrenharris@google.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129997001926395 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 22:46:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXaN-0006rf-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:46:59 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXaL-0006rS-Dl for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:46:58 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LHY00700V8ZVU00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:46:51 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.58.59]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LHY007YEVA1JY30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:46:51 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:46:55 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <99CE0660F55F487B85C9DA6764F65CC6@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <8339msrm74.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <99CE0660F55F487B85C9DA6764F65CC6@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <7943@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:50:43 -0800 > > > For compatibility with 8-color text terminals that cannot produce the > > bright colors, IIRC. > > My wondering is only about the _names_. Why call a dark or dim red "red" or > call a light gray "white"? Because it would be confusing not to have a white color. Colors can be specified by their names in Emacs, not just by their RGB values. By the time tty colors were added to Emacs, the names of the 8 ANSI colors supported by text terminals were already "common knowledge", so we kept them. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: warrenharris@google.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129997066427257 (code B ref 7943); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2011 22:57:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXkl-00075a-JF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:57:43 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXkk-00075O-0u for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:57:42 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2CMvYCs006777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:57:36 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2CMvYs8017054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:57:34 GMT Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com (abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2CMvX7j009330; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:57:33 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.173) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:57:33 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <99CE0660F55F487B85C9DA6764F65CC6@us.oracle.com> <8339msrm74.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:57:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8339msrm74.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: AcvhB2JGvpvVZ8s1TuOZCNCNb02cnwAAF/7A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Source-IP: acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4D7BFA5E.0140,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > > For compatibility with 8-color text terminals that cannot > > > produce the bright colors, IIRC. > > > > My wondering is only about the _names_. Why call a dark or > > dim red "red" or call a light gray "white"? > > Because it would be confusing not to have a white color. You mean a color named "white" don't you? You've already said that such terminals do not really have a white color. Anyway, why? Why would it be confusing to not have a color named "white" - if there is in fact no white color? Why wouldn't it be clearer to have only a color named "off white" (or "dirty white" or ...) if the only available whitish color is off white? > Colors can be specified by their names in Emacs, not just by their RGB > values. Precisely. And color names are somewhat conventional. Using the name "white" for the color with RGB code FFFFFFFFF (any number 3*N of F's) is as conventional as you can get. Using the same name for any other color is quite unconventional. > By the time tty colors were added to Emacs, the names of the > 8 ANSI colors supported by text terminals were already "common > knowledge", so we kept them. Times change. History conflicts with convention sometimes. Anyway, as I said, you'll get no complaint from me about it. Call the color white "black" if you like. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: closed (Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window) Resent-From: Warren Harris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:59:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: GNU bug Tracking System Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.12999779084792 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:59:03 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 00:58:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyZda-0001FF-T8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:58:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([74.125.121.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyZdY-0001F2-Br for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:58:25 -0500 Received: from hpaq7.eem.corp.google.com (hpaq7.eem.corp.google.com [172.25.149.7]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p2D0wIDd007849 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1299977898; bh=EzyMOS7VmpDQ4BmqtBq3BkFRLkw=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=G3Bo2LVRMOmHvHRvYqlnNsnJpgtePtqmJcVSVVJHoiq7Lvc7fCPa1VV7DXLz6F30F ApZKk/AdoC6QM7z0CHCow== Received: from yia25 (yia25.prod.google.com [10.243.65.25]) by hpaq7.eem.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p2D0wGLX013153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:17 -0800 Received: by yia25 with SMTP id 25so1936530yia.12 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=CHSHu4E01r3hNbCis6JL6V6/XYkoXlt8HrvCQMn282g=; b=oZ3RKJjWmsCWJcnwNn5RjTxGBN82mCCRCMlOlq0G1unVeaHxeq35UFkK5FB8zEgEwb 22S+qlknB1dNCco9Cmyg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=MRhrhAH9qx3bPK0kkHKr4veAzJaFTxhmQmtfWa6VkLPtglrU9jqyHCY5pXksocyoIb OdL+yHYuOHMleKbCT8Dw== Received: by 10.101.154.17 with SMTP id g17mr2406089ano.110.1299977895237; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:58:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.9.1 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:57:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> From: Warren Harris Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:57:55 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68e8c08a95988049e52b0f6 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) --0016e68e8c08a95988049e52b0f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I disagree with the resolution of this bug. It is still unresolved. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, GNU bug Tracking System < help-debbugs@gnu.org> wrote: > Your bug report > > #7943: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window > > which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. > > The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. > If you require more details, please reply to 7943@debbugs.gnu.org. > > -- > 7943: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=7943 > GNU Bug Tracking System > Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eli Zaretskii > To: Warren Harris > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:30:47 +0200 > Subject: Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window > > From: Warren Harris > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:46:57 -0800 > > Cc: Drew Adams , 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > All I can say is the current behavior is quite annoying when more than 8 > > colors are available. Many colors have very low contrast against the > grey90 > > background > > But that's the most white color that your terminal can produce. > xterm.el doesn't _tell_ the terminal what color to produce for > "white", it only _documents_ (sort of) what that color is, in terms of > RGB components. > > > and there's no way I can see to set the background to brightwhite. > > I don't think you can, not for the background. But I'm not an expert > on xterm. > > > I guess I can try and hack my xterm.el > > I don't see how you can, but let us know if you find a way. > > I'm closing this bug. Feel free to reopen if you find a way of making > your white "whiter". > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) > To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) > Subject: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window > I am running emacs in an Apple Terminal window while ssh'd to a Linux > Ubuntu 10.04.1 system. My TERM is set to xterm-color. (Note that the Apple > Terminal app only supports 8 colors.) All the colors are quite dingy > looking, but in particular the background is color #e5e5e5 which on my > computer is fairly dark and makes the text hard to read (particularly cyan > or green text). > > Here's what list-colors-display shows: > > black black > #000000 > red red > #cd0000 > green green > #00cd00 > yellow yellow > #cdcd00 > blue blue > #0000ee > magenta magenta > #cd00cd > cyan cyan > #00cdcd > white white > #e5e5e5 > > Note that others on the emacs mailing list have been able to reproduce this > problem (even on a Windows system). See the thread "white is #e5e5e5" > started Jan 23, 2011. > > > > In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) > of 2010-11-23 on yellow, modified by Debian > configured using `configure '--build=x86_64-linux-gnu' > '--host=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' > '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' > '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' > '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' > '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' > 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' > 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' > > Important settings: > value of $LC_ALL: nil > value of $LC_COLLATE: C > value of $LC_CTYPE: nil > value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil > value of $LC_MONETARY: C > value of $LC_NUMERIC: C > value of $LC_TIME: C > value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 > value of $XMODIFIERS: nil > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > default-enable-multibyte-characters: t > > Major mode: Shell > > Minor modes in effect: > csv-field-index-mode: t > shell-dirtrack-mode: t > menu-bar-mode: t > file-name-shadow-mode: t > global-font-lock-mode: t > font-lock-mode: t > global-auto-composition-mode: t > auto-composition-mode: t > auto-encryption-mode: t > auto-compression-mode: t > line-number-mode: t > transient-mark-mode: t > > Recent input: > SPC p u s h RET ESC [ ? 1 ; 2 c C-x 3 ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC > [ 1 7 ~ C-x C-b C-x o C-n C-n f C-x o C-c C-c C-c C-c > C-r 1 6 7 7 SPC t p s C-r C-a C-n C-@ ESC > C-p C-p > C-p C-a ESC w C-x o C-y C-x C-x C-g C-x e C-g C-x ( > ESC d C-d C-d ESC C-f ESC C-b ESC f C-k C-n C-a C-x > ) C-u 8 8 8 8 C-x e C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v > ESC v ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p > C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p > C-p C-@ C-v C-x 1 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n > C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n > ESC w C-x C-f ~ / s t a t . t x t RET C-y ESC v C-v > ESC v ESC v C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ ESC [ 1 > 5 ~ ESC > ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p > ESC p ESC n RET ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p > C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p > C-p C-@ ESC > C-p C-p ESC w C-x C-f ESC DEL ESC DEL > ESC DEL ESC DEL s t TAB a t 2 . t x t RET C-y ESC y > C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC x r e o DEL p o > r t SPC e m a TAB RET > > Recent messages: > History item: 8 > History item: 7 > Mark set > Saved text from "260KB 792B Total cache size > 1 Number of " > Making completion list... > (New file) > Mark set > Saving file /home/warrenharris/stat2.txt... > Wrote /home/warrenharris/stat2.txt > > > > --0016e68e8c08a95988049e52b0f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I disagree with the resolution of this bug. It is still unresolved.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, GNU bug Tr= acking System <help-debbugs@gnu.org> wrote:
Your bug report

#7943: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window

which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed.

The explanation is attached below, along with your original report.
If you require more details, please reply to 7943@debbugs.gnu.org.

--
7943: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D7943
GNU Bug Tracking System
Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org wi= th problems


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=A0Eli Zaret= skii <eliz@gnu.org>
To:=A0Warr= en Harris <warrenharris@googl= e.com>
Date:=A0Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:30:47 +0200
Subject:=A0Re: bug#7943: white b= ackground is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window
> From: Warren Harris &= lt;warrenharris@google.com&g= t;
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:46:57 -0800
> Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams= @oracle.com>, 7943@debbugs.g= nu.org
>
> All I can say is the current behavior is quite annoying when more than= 8
> colors are available. Many colors have very low contrast against the g= rey90
> background

But that's the most white color that your terminal can produce.
xterm.el doesn't _tell_ the terminal what color to produce for
"white", it only _documents_ (sort of) what that color is, in ter= ms of
RGB components.

> and there's no way I can see to set the background to brightwhite.=

I don't think you can, not for the background. =A0But I'm not an ex= pert
on xterm.

> I guess I can try and hack my xterm.el

I don't see how you can, but let us know if you find a way.

I'm closing this bug. =A0Feel free to reopen if you find a way of makin= g
your white "whiter".



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=A0warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris)
T= o:=A0bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
= Date:=A0Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject:=A023.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window
I = am running emacs in an Apple Terminal window while ssh'd to a Linux Ubu= ntu 10.04.1 system. My TERM is set to xterm-color. (Note that the Apple Ter= minal app only supports 8 colors.) All the colors are quite dingy looking, = but in particular the background is color #e5e5e5 which on my computer is f= airly dark and makes the text hard to read (particularly cyan or green text= ).

Here's what list-colors-display shows:

black =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0black =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #000000
red =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0red =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #cd0000
green =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0green =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #00cd00
yellow =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 yellow =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0#cdcd00
blue =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 blue =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0#0000ee
magenta =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0magenta =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #cd00cd
cyan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 cyan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0#00cdcd
white =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0white =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #e5e5e5

Note that others on the emacs mailing list have been able to reproduce this= problem (even on a Windows system). See the thread "white is #e5e5e5&= quot; started Jan 23, 2011.



In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
=A0of 2010-11-23 on yellow, modified by Debian
configured using `configure =A0'--build=3Dx86_64-linux-gnu' '--= host=3Dx86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--sharedstatedi= r=3D/var/lib' '--libexecdir=3D/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=3D= /var/lib' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--mandir=3D/usr/sh= are/man' '--with-pop=3Dyes' '--enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/= emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/e= macs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/= usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=3Dyes' '--with-x-toolk= it=3Dgtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=3Dx86_6= 4-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DDE= BIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=3D-g' 'CPPFLAGS=3D''

Important settings:
=A0value of $LC_ALL: nil
=A0value of $LC_COLLATE: C
=A0value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
=A0value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
=A0value of $LC_MONETARY: C
=A0value of $LC_NUMERIC: C
=A0value of $LC_TIME: C
=A0value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
=A0value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
=A0locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
=A0default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Shell

Minor modes in effect:
=A0csv-field-index-mode: t
=A0shell-dirtrack-mode: t
=A0menu-bar-mode: t
=A0file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0font-lock-mode: t
=A0global-auto-composition-mode: t
=A0auto-composition-mode: t
=A0auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0auto-compression-mode: t
=A0line-number-mode: t
=A0transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
SPC p u s h RET ESC [ ? 1 ; 2 c C-x 3 ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC
[ 1 7 ~ C-x C-b C-x o C-n C-n f C-x o C-c C-c C-c C-c
C-r 1 6 7 7 SPC t p s C-r C-a C-n C-@ ESC > C-p C-p
C-p C-a ESC w C-x o C-y C-x C-x C-g C-x e C-g C-x (
ESC d C-d C-d ESC C-f ESC C-b ESC f C-k C-n C-a C-x
) C-u 8 8 8 8 C-x e C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v
ESC v ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p
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--0016e68e8c08a95988049e52b0f6-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Warren Harris Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129998885819928 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 04:00:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PycUD-0005BN-Ou for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:00:57 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PycUB-0005BA-SN for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:00:57 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LHZ00C009PF8V00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:00:48 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.58.59]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LHZ00B3J9T8W850@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:00:46 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:00:50 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Warren Harris > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:55:13 -0800 > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > > But that's the most white color that your terminal can produce. > > xterm.el doesn't _tell_ the terminal what color to produce for > > "white", it only _documents_ (sort of) what that color is, in terms of > > RGB components. > > > > I don't think so. The terminal is perfectly "brightwhite" before emacs > starts. This is definitely an emacs bug. Then perhaps you or someone else could suggest how to do that in Emacs. > > > and there's no way I can see to set the background to brightwhite. > > > > I don't think you can, not for the background. But I'm not an expert > > on xterm. > > > > I know that older emacs version didn't have this problem either. The code I showed exists since 2002, and it was not changed since written. If you know which older Emacs version didn't behave like this, I'd be interested to know which one. > BTW, this is a bug when using Apple Terminal, not xterm. xterm seems > to work fine (whether the TERM is 'xterm' or 'xterm-color'). What do you see Emacs display in xterm for the colors? I tried that before I responded to you the first time, and saw the same E5E5E5 value. > The idea was to replace "white" with the correct values, 255 255 255. I don't think it will change anything, because Emacs turns on tty colors by their index (a small number between 0 and 7 or 15), not by their RGB values. If you succeed, please reopen the bug and tell what changes were needed for that. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: closed (Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Warren Harris Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.129999776031965 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 06:29:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyeno-0008JV-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:20 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyenl-0008JJ-QX for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:18 -0500 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyenf-0001Pi-JK; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:11 -0500 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Warren Harris on Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:57:55 -0800) References: <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > From: Warren Harris > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:57:55 -0800 > Cc: GNU bug Tracking System > > I disagree with the resolution of this bug. It is still unresolved. Fair enough. I reopened it. Let's try again: what is the bug, please? Your original description, viz.: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window is not a bug. Surely, the problem is not that Emacs considers the white color as having this specific RGB value. That cannot possibly be the immediate problem for you; perhaps you think that is what _causes_ the problem. But what is the problem itself? what do you see that you think is wrong? From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: closed (Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: warrenharris@google.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.12999993634661 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 06:56:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyfDf-0001D8-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:56:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyfDe-0001Ce-Cz for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:56:02 -0500 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PyfDY-0002QH-C7; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:55:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:55:56 -0500 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:11 -0500) References: <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:29:11 -0500 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii > > Let's try again: what is the bug, please? Your original description, > viz.: > > white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window > > is not a bug. Surely, the problem is not that Emacs considers the > white color as having this specific RGB value. That cannot possibly > be the immediate problem for you; perhaps you think that is what > _causes_ the problem. But what is the problem itself? what do you see > that you think is wrong? And a couple more questions: . What version of Emacs did you have before this one, that didn't have this problem (whatever "the problem" is)? . If you are using Emacs on Apple Terminal, why do you set TERM to "xterm" or "xterm-color"? Are there any reasons to believe that the Apple Terminal is a faithful enough emulation of xterm? (You say that on a real xterm, everything works fine.) Finally, could you please try a newer version of Emacs? v23.1 is quite old; v23.3 was released a few days ago, and in v23.2 there were several important changes in xterm.el, which may or may not solve your problem. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Warren Harris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.130003815529855 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 17:42:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PypJK-0007lT-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:42:34 -0400 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([74.125.121.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PypJH-0007lH-Sw for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:42:32 -0400 Received: from wpaz5.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz5.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.69]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p2DHgPuj008154 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1300038146; bh=1/ZEmUPpo0XxMmxfRchLN6/9mLI=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=ASdjbL7QK5GeoOKm1oYYJPdujMoCp0yvY+hR7zehrRP7AgZsdZjv+ful2Wd6NgB8d +8ua7mF9ZUkWRHbd+3rIw== Received: from yic21 (yic21.prod.google.com [10.243.65.149]) by wpaz5.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p2DHgOw3012222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:24 -0700 Received: by yic21 with SMTP id 21so3026473yic.15 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=x1amkkSKoW7KG5S/9MOi0kAdlZZ0bGAIMvAnS5ZRw6s=; b=DpPgy7J2qrRZ9YDu6sAC3fQ+Noe45SB1EtnsSaskoGo5hKIw4BLMRfkgFjUCnIeqvX 4LHgieBrFli8q4yxYnAw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=JCfs4vp5qJtQXRS7qGDxAPc2X8nzI3UxVDIylS3Uv/678zB0Uso+YFq5FoF8Sj6kAv o2zZFVtUI2YLQzqvYKzA== Received: by 10.101.214.17 with SMTP id r17mr2842537anq.154.1300038144226; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.9.1 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Warren Harris Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:04 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d33db4c7f61c049e60b778 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) --001636d33db4c7f61c049e60b778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe I've figured out what was going on. It had nothing to do with the white setting to #e5e5e5, but the fact that somehow in my .emacs file the custom-set-faces contained the line: '(default ((t (:inherit nil :stipple nil :background "white" :foreground "black" :inverse-video nil :box nil :strike-through nil :overline nil :underline nil :slant normal :weight normal :height 115 :width normal :foundry "unknown" :family "DejaVu Sans Mono")))) I'm not sure how this got there, but removing the :background "white" from it changes the window's background from dark grey to bright white again. Text is now readable. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Warren Harris > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:55:13 -0800 > > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > But that's the most white color that your terminal can produce. > > > xterm.el doesn't _tell_ the terminal what color to produce for > > > "white", it only _documents_ (sort of) what that color is, in terms of > > > RGB components. > > > > > > > I don't think so. The terminal is perfectly "brightwhite" before emacs > > starts. This is definitely an emacs bug. > > Then perhaps you or someone else could suggest how to do that in > Emacs. > > > > > and there's no way I can see to set the background to brightwhite. > > > > > > I don't think you can, not for the background. But I'm not an expert > > > on xterm. > > > > > > > I know that older emacs version didn't have this problem either. > > The code I showed exists since 2002, and it was not changed since > written. If you know which older Emacs version didn't behave like > this, I'd be interested to know which one. > > > BTW, this is a bug when using Apple Terminal, not xterm. xterm seems > > to work fine (whether the TERM is 'xterm' or 'xterm-color'). > > What do you see Emacs display in xterm for the colors? I tried that > before I responded to you the first time, and saw the same E5E5E5 > value. > > > The idea was to replace "white" with the correct values, 255 255 255. > > I don't think it will change anything, because Emacs turns on tty > colors by their index (a small number between 0 and 7 or 15), not by > their RGB values. If you succeed, please reopen the bug and tell what > changes were needed for that. > --001636d33db4c7f61c049e60b778 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe I've figured out what was going on. It had nothing = to do with the white setting to #e5e5e5, but the fact that somehow in my .e= macs file the custom-set-faces contained the line:

=A0'(default ((t (:inherit nil :stipple nil :background "whit= e" :foreground "black" :inverse-video nil :box nil :strike-t= hrough nil :overline nil :underline nil :slant normal :weight normal :heigh= t 115 :width normal :foundry "unknown" :family "DejaVu Sans = Mono"))))

I'm not sure how this got there, but rem= oving the=A0:background "white" from it changes the window's = background from dark grey to bright white again. Text is now readable.


On Sa= t, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Warren Harris <warrenharris@google.com>
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:55:13 -0800
> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com= , 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > But that's the most white color that your terminal can produc= e.
> > xterm.el doesn't _tell_ the terminal what color to produce fo= r
> > "white", it only _documents_ (sort of) what that color = is, in terms of
> > RGB components.
> >
>
> I don't think so. The terminal is perfectly "brightwhite"= ; before emacs
> starts. This is definitely an emacs bug.

Then perhaps you or someone else could suggest how to do that in
Emacs.

> > > and there's no way I can see to set the background to br= ightwhite.
> >
> > I don't think you can, not for the background. =A0But I'm= not an expert
> > on xterm.
> >
>
> I know that older emacs version didn't have this problem either.
The code I showed exists since 2002, and it was not changed since
written. =A0If you know which older Emacs version didn't behave like this, I'd be interested to know which one.

> BTW, this is a bug when using Apple Terminal, not xterm. xterm seems > to work fine (whether the TERM is 'xterm' or 'xterm-color&= #39;).

What do you see Emacs display in xterm for the colors? =A0I tried tha= t
before I responded to you the first time, and saw the same E5E5E5
value.

> The idea was to replace "white" with the correct values, 255= 255 255.

I don't think it will change anything, because Emacs turns on tty=
colors by their index (a small number between 0 and 7 or 15), not by
their RGB values. =A0If you succeed, please reopen the bug and tell what changes were needed for that.

--001636d33db4c7f61c049e60b778-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Warren Harris Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.13000408901360 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 18:28:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyq1S-0000Ls-6o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:28:10 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyq1P-0000LP-OJ for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:28:08 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LI000L00DQP3A00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:27:28 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.96.116]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LI000IE4DXRX1L0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:27:28 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:27:35 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Warren Harris > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:04 -0700 > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > > I believe I've figured out what was going on. It had nothing to do with the > white setting to #e5e5e5, but the fact that somehow in my .emacs file the > custom-set-faces contained the line: > > '(default ((t (:inherit nil :stipple nil :background "white" :foreground > "black" :inverse-video nil :box nil :strike-through nil :overline nil > :underline nil :slant normal :weight normal :height 115 :width normal > :foundry "unknown" :family "DejaVu Sans Mono")))) > > I'm not sure how this got there, but removing the :background "white" from > it changes the window's background from dark grey to bright white again. > Text is now readable. Great! So can we close this bug now? From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Warren Harris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.130004750210667 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 20:18:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyrk5-0002m0-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:18:22 -0400 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([216.239.44.51]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pyrk2-0002lo-LU for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:18:19 -0400 Received: from hpaq14.eem.corp.google.com (hpaq14.eem.corp.google.com [172.25.149.14]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p2DKICVL021187 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:18:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1300047493; bh=9/mHqZ30nUi0d1GBtAmn63xQ4IY=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=AOTXD+TJ32rYfx6H6oQG3gacG+vwa4ngyI5SfiV6Trb5sm2FKpFZqnWbtS8EDGBqi 9i6+ogUaXHVTJQcFlP7jg== Received: from gwb20 (gwb20.prod.google.com [10.200.2.20]) by hpaq14.eem.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p2DKIABf032429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:18:11 -0700 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so2134582gwb.17 for <7943@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=de2hTGzcdjeefXVPFkuKKFAG52JFJ0iEBiz/ME4UsTI=; b=wSg3AVPZFYQo0+/TIyTcvde/QfE+WpyA9LLkyumfTQ0hGjuhqqu7CfiR/qWlQSY76K 8qgEQnSI/0mw+it+L77w== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=E3tZSzxCpupTfu17yP21Tp7e9uhdA6gBVMa8Q5iYaSLRUJVNDrgQ8o4ZpJe6Rmx1PD WkLx/QpFGLL4ZwH7Uz6A== Received: by 10.101.119.12 with SMTP id w12mr2896433anm.157.1300047490177; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:18:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.9.1 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> From: Warren Harris Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:17:50 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed70dbd7dbff049e62e407 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) --001636ed70dbd7dbff049e62e407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Warren Harris > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:04 -0700 > > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I believe I've figured out what was going on. It had nothing to do with > the > > white setting to #e5e5e5, but the fact that somehow in my .emacs file the > > custom-set-faces contained the line: > > > > '(default ((t (:inherit nil :stipple nil :background "white" :foreground > > "black" :inverse-video nil :box nil :strike-through nil :overline nil > > :underline nil :slant normal :weight normal :height 115 :width normal > > :foundry "unknown" :family "DejaVu Sans Mono")))) > > > > I'm not sure how this got there, but removing the :background "white" > from > > it changes the window's background from dark grey to bright white again. > > Text is now readable. > > Great! So can we close this bug now? > --001636ed70dbd7dbff049e62e407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Eli= Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.o= rg> wrote:
> From: Warren Harris <warrenharris@google.com>
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:42:04 -0700
> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com= , 7943@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> I believe I've figured out what was going on. It had nothing to do= with the
> white setting to #e5e5e5, but the fact that somehow in my .emacs file = the
> custom-set-faces contained the line:
>
> =A0'(default ((t (:inherit nil :stipple nil :background "whit= e" :foreground
> "black" :inverse-video nil :box nil :strike-through nil :ove= rline nil
> :underline nil :slant normal :weight normal :height 115 :width normal<= br> > :foundry "unknown" :family "DejaVu Sans Mono"))))<= br> >
> I'm not sure how this got there, but removing the :background &quo= t;white" from
> it changes the window's background from dark grey to bright white = again.
> Text is now readable.

Great! =A0So can we close this bug now?

--001636ed70dbd7dbff049e62e407-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Warren Harris , 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.130005143716292 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 21:23:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyslZ-0004Ei-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:23:57 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyslX-0004ET-Hv for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:23:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFbSfE3O+IG+/2dsb2JhbACmFXjAGoViBJVM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,312,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="96194681" Received: from 206-248-129-190.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.129.190]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Mar 2011 17:23:49 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6EE3A58ED9; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:23:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:23:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:27:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> I'm not sure how this got there, but removing the :background "white" from >> it changes the window's background from dark grey to bright white again. >> Text is now readable. > Great! So can we close this bug now? It still sounds like a bug that setting :background to "white" makes the background "dark grey". Stefan From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) Subject: bug#7943: closed (Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window) Message-ID: References: <83sjuqr8ox.fsf@gnu.org> <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 7943 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:51:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1300053062-18559-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1300053062-18559-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #7943: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 7943@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 7943: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D7943 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1300053062-18559-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 7943-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 21:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PytBg-0004p5-CH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:50:56 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PytBe-0004os-4t for 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:50:55 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LI000000N8C0V00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:50:47 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.96.116]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LI000MDANCMPG50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:50:47 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:50:54 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Warren Harris Message-id: <83sjuqr8ox.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7943-done Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Warren Harris > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:17:50 -0700 > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > > yes Done. ------------=_1300053062-18559-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:58 -0800 Received: by purefun.sfo.corp.google.com (Postfix, from userid 115539) id ABE7116C28C; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.1; white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Message-Id: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) From: warrenharris@google.com (Warren Harris) X-System-Of-Record: true X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 216.239.44.51 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 199.232.76.165 X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:52:59 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) I am running emacs in an Apple Terminal window while ssh'd to a Linux Ubuntu 10.04.1 system. My TERM is set to xterm-color. (Note that the Apple Terminal app only supports 8 colors.) All the colors are quite dingy looking, but in particular the background is color #e5e5e5 which on my computer is fairly dark and makes the text hard to read (particularly cyan or green text). Here's what list-colors-display shows: black black #000000 red red #cd0000 green green #00cd00 yellow yellow #cdcd00 blue blue #0000ee magenta magenta #cd00cd cyan cyan #00cdcd white white #e5e5e5 Note that others on the emacs mailing list have been able to reproduce this problem (even on a Windows system). See the thread "white is #e5e5e5" started Jan 23, 2011. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2010-11-23 on yellow, modified by Debian configured using `configure '--build=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: C value of $LC_NUMERIC: C value of $LC_TIME: C value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Shell Minor modes in effect: csv-field-index-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: SPC p u s h RET ESC [ ? 1 ; 2 c C-x 3 ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ C-x C-b C-x o C-n C-n f C-x o C-c C-c C-c C-c C-r 1 6 7 7 SPC t p s C-r C-a C-n C-@ ESC > C-p C-p C-p C-a ESC w C-x o C-y C-x C-x C-g C-x e C-g C-x ( ESC d C-d C-d ESC C-f ESC C-b ESC f C-k C-n C-a C-x ) C-u 8 8 8 8 C-x e C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC v ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-@ C-v C-x 1 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n ESC w C-x C-f ~ / s t a t . t x t RET C-y ESC v C-v ESC v ESC v C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC [ 1 7 ~ ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC > ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC p ESC n RET ESC v C-l C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-@ ESC > C-p C-p ESC w C-x C-f ESC DEL ESC DEL ESC DEL ESC DEL s t TAB a t 2 . t x t RET C-y ESC y C-x C-s ESC [ 1 5 ~ ESC v ESC v ESC x r e o DEL p o r t SPC e m a TAB RET Recent messages: History item: 8 History item: 7 Mark set Saved text from "260KB 792B Total cache size 1 Number of " Making completion list... 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Wrote /home/warrenharris/stat2.txt ------------=_1300053062-18559-1-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:19:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7943: white background is color #e5e5e5 in terminal window Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: warrenharris@google.com, 7943@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 7943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7943.130005319618768 (code B ref 7943); Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 7943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2011 21:53:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PytDw-0004se-Iy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:53:16 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PytDv-0004sU-Q3 for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:53:16 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LI000000NFP2600@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7943@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:53:10 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.96.116]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LI000MG7NGKPD50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:53:10 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:53:16 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83r5aar8kz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20110130185857.ABE7116C28C@purefun.sfo.corp.google.com> <83d3lwrunk.fsf@gnu.org> <837hc4rqpk.fsf@gnu.org> <834o78rmy0.fsf@gnu.org> <831v2bsm8d.fsf@gnu.org> <83vczmri3s.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Warren Harris , 7943@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:23:49 -0400 > > >> I'm not sure how this got there, but removing the :background "white" from > >> it changes the window's background from dark grey to bright white again. > >> Text is now readable. > > > Great! So can we close this bug now? > > It still sounds like a bug that setting :background to "white" makes the > background "dark grey". No, it makes it white. Just not brightwhite.